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A week that started well for Blackpool FC is ending in far more sobering fashion after Simon Grayson’s sacking on Wednesday.
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A week that started well for Blackpool FC is ending in far more sobering fashion after Simon Grayson’s sacking on Wednesday.

There will be a section of the club’s support who are pleased by this latest development; and a larger one who will not be surprised. The emphatic win over Fleetwood before Christmas now seems a long time ago. We are all used to the club stumbling over the Christmas and New Year period (it is one of the Laws of the game, I think), but the slump has gone on and on. Saturday last provided a brief respite from the gloom ; but it was back with a vengeance on Tuesday night. If you care about the club at all, your mood would have matched the weather as you left the ground after a wretched defeat.

Was it the right decision? Only time will tell. On the downside, the team has struggled for form and fluency all season, not helped by some strange formations and tactics. Even those of us who supported Grayson have wondered aloud why the 3-4-1-2 formation that served us well in the autumn has been abandoned in favour of the odd, lopsided line ups we have seen in recent weeks that have left us horribly exposed down our left hand side. If we can see it, opposition managers can too – and they have not been slow to exploit it.

The decision to sack the manager is therefore an understandable one on many levels. I was reflecting on my way back to Fleetwood on Tuesday night on how tough life must be for the owner and his Board of Directors at the moment. Some of them are on a massive learning curve anyway ; to be confronted with a decision as big as this will have been the last thing they wanted – or needed. They have taken an expedient decision, one that placates the people who shout the loudest inside the ground and on social media. It may even be the right decision. But it also sets some disturbing precedents.

The most obvious of these is that pandering to the mob rarely ends well. That (small) element of our support that only ever seems minutes away from barracking the team gave this manager twenty five League games, before they turned on him at Lincoln – a tight game that we were unlucky to lose. On Tuesday night, they went from lauding Simon Sadler and singing about promotion to “we’re ** shit” in the space of barely an hour. And these are the people who style themselves as our Twelfth Man.

Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I have to ask – if Grayson merited twenty five games, how long will the next man get before the knives are sharpened? Fifteen? Twelve, maybe? There is no guarantee that making a change now will be a beneficial one in the long run. The only thing the timing of this decision has to commend it is that it gives a new manager time to assess what he has and plan properly for next season in the knowledge that we are about as far away from either promotion or relegation as we could be. But you could make a similar case for the man who actually brought in the twelve new faces at the club in the first place.

I don’t envy Mr. Sadler this judgement call, and at least he was decisive. I also hope he doesn’t regard this as tieing his hands next time we have a bad run (which we will), and the fanbase gets restive (as sure as day follows night).

What all this says about us as supporters I’m not sure. It is not that long ago that some people were saying that they would happily accept Conference football if it meant the end of the Oystons. In real life, a lot of our fans are showing what to me seems an absurd sense of entitlement. We have no God-given right to prosper in this League, and – lest it be forgotten – this club is still, even now, fighting with one hand tied behind its back because of the legacy left by the previous owner. Our Board of Directors do not have the luxury of concentrating solely on on-field matters ; there are too many bush fires raging across every aspect of the club’s operations that they are still struggling to put out. This is not offered to defend Grayson, but more to contextualise where we are; if you accept that the club is still in recovery then it seems to me that the adult, mature thing to do as a supporter is to show at least a modicum of ** patience. But it seems that this is too much to ask of some.

I don’t have a view on who succeeds Grayson. I wouldn’t have sacked him in the first place, but I understand why Mr. Sadler decided to do the opposite. But now he has decided to bite the bullet, it is important that the next appointment is a considered one and that we are very clear about the qualities the successful candidate will need. Only the Board can offer that kind of clear and rational thinking at the moment, in my view. And part of that rationality will involve trusting their own judgement and ignoring the siren calls of panic the minute the new man hits a bump in the road.

The club is in an immeasurably better place than it was this time last year. For one thing, it is in the hands of people who want to invest time, effort, resources and simple loving care in it. For another, it seems to have a progressive future BECAUSE of those very same people. I hope we don’t as a fan base spoil that by being petulant, peevish dickheads if advancement and success don’t come immediately. It really is up to us.
 
I can relate to where the icon is coming from when here refers to the fans and expectation levels. Personally I think that we will need to shake off the ‘billy big club’ mentality before we will progress.

Too many teams have fallen into League 1 and struggled to find a way out, due to the belief that they are too good or too big to be there. Promotion is something that is earned through hard work and everyone collectively pulling in the right direction.

All that said, I really don’t think that Simon Grayson was the right man to try and lift himself or the Club out of the rut we’d found ourselves in.

It wasn’t just about results in the pitch or even the odd left sided Bermuda Triangle formation, the problems were much deeper rooted.

SG felt like a wounded animal from the moment he arrived... Subdued, lacking real passion and without any clear direction, he never really seemed to have a grasp of what he needed to do in order to put things right.

He dived into self-preservation mode very early on, made public comments that will have created a divide between him and his team and made the wrong decisions for the wrong reasons with his player selection.

In my view he seems to have been badly affected by his failure at both Sunderland and Bradford. For Blackpool to have been successful would have required him to find his way out of the self-doubt and lack of passion / love he appeared to have developed for the job.

It’s never nice to sack a manager and you can always make a case for giving him more time. but in this case, I think that Sadler has probably made the right call.
 
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McPhillips was working with both hands tied behind his back, a virtually empty ground, rag-tag and bobtail players, no money, a pitch that looked like a bad weekend at Glastonbury, a makeshift groundsman, hardly any backroom team and the on-going distractions of a courtroom saga with the owners.

Grayson gets a brand new playing surface, an assistant manager, a performance analyst, a fitness coach, a head of recruitment, a head of technical scouting, a head of sports science, well over a dozen new players (perhaps 15 or more), and his remit is promotion within 2 seasons, and to entertain the supporters spending their hard-earned money.

The result was - he took the club backwards on the field, gaining 6 fewer points than McPhillips did thus far. The phoenix was supposed to rise from the ashes of the Oyston empire, yet Grayson killed it before it even got a chance to take off. BRR2 admits that even he was baffled by the formations Grayson was playing, yet the club taking action to put Larry out of his misery is considered to be 'pandering to the mob'?

Sadler spends his money how he sees fit - and he's every right to decide when to pull the trigger if he feels he's not getting a satisfactory return on his investment. To even mildly suggest he's potted Grayson because of the 'mob' being petulant and impatient is ridiculous in the extreme. Sadler will be informed chapter and verse from his aides within the club - they'll report back regularly on the atmosphere at training, the moral within the camp, the cohesion or lack of it within the dressing room. He'll watch the games he cannot attend over the internet, he'll have witnessed the mess for himself first-hand, he'll have heard countless times Grayson accepting no responsibility in his post-match interviews and laying the majority of the blame at the door of his players.


Of course, BRR2 wouldn't have sacked Grayson in the first place - that's because when you're so conceited that you think you're better than everybody else, you cannot go along with the masses, because the masses are inferior and your ego won't allow you to follow suit with them.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
SG felt like a wounded animal from the moment he arrived... Subdued, lacking real passion and without any clear direction, he never really seemed to have a grasp of what he needed to do in order to put things right.

He dived into self-preservation mode very early on, made public comments that will have created a divide between him and his team and made the wrong decisions for the wrong reasons with his player selection.

In my view he seems to have been badly affected by his failure at both Sunderland and Bradford. For Blackpool to have been successful would have required him to find his way out of the clear self-doubt and lack of passion / love he appeared to have developed for the job.
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BFCx3 is right for these 👆 reasons. Sometimes a boxing referee has to stop the fight when someone is taking a beating that could lead to permanent damage. SS did that for Larry. It was a kindness.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I can relate to where the icon is coming from when here refers to the fans and expectation levels. Personally I think that we will need to shake off the ‘billy big club’ mentality before we will progress.

Too many teams have fallen into League 1 and struggled to find a way out, due to the belief that they are too good or too big to be there. Promotion is something that is earned through hard work and everyone collectively pulling in the right direction.

All that said, I really don’t think that Simon Grayson was the right man to try and lift himself or the Club out of the rut we’d found ourselves in.

It wasn’t just about results in the pitch or even the odd left sided Bermuda Triangle formation, the problems were much deeper rooted.

SG felt like a wounded animal from the moment he arrived... Subdued, lacking real passion and without any clear direction, he never really seemed to have a grasp of what he needed to do in order to put things right.

He dived into self-preservation mode very early on, made public comments that will have created a divide between him and his team and made the wrong decisions for the wrong reasons with his player selection.

In my view he seems to have been badly affected by his failure at both Sunderland and Bradford. For Blackpool to have been successful would have required him to find his way out of the self-doubt and lack of passion / love he appeared to have developed for the job.

It’s never nice to sack a manager and you can always make a case for giving him more time. but in this case, I think that Sadler has probably made the right call.
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A very balanced view for me, I advocated to keep him for a long time and thought at the least to re-evaluate him at the end of the season. If I'm honest however after we made the signings (It's debatable they were his in hindsight) we had more options going forward, a little bit more flair, it was hugely disappointing to see him carry on with the way he set up the team and the tactics employed.

I was in agreement ultimately with the decision, and not sure the fans had as big a bearing on the decision as you make out.

I read a post, not sure how true it was, about SS being there on Tuesday night, he realised the feel good factor and optimism had been killed. Something had to change.

Oh I take imitation as the best form of flattery, I'll let you have the lines from some of my posts ;)
 
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The "pandering to the mob" does Robbie no credit. I'm sure Mr Sadler and his team, very experienced in football and business both, took time to decide whether they believed that giving Larry more time would produce positive change. I also suspect they also looked at how he was personally coping with the job and huge resources, as detailed above, that he had been given.

All those threads lead to their decision, I'm sure they were mindful of what their customers thought, but suspect did not give much weight to that.

Lets get away from this accusation of billy big club, as well. Most of us on here supported decades before 2010, we actually have very low expectations. All we ask, as we ever did, is that the manager and team give it their best shot and show a hint of the same passion which burns in ourselves.
 
Unfortunately Grayson turned out to be not the man
An understandable hiring and firing
There was no passion or fun to his football
His demeanour was terrible

He had to go
I wish we were top and he was loving it but alas
 
I totally agree with that TM.

Robbie is often referred to as the board icon on here and does undoubtedly contribute much interesting and worthwhile stuff on Avftt.However his judgement on some of the biggest issues our club has faced in recent times has helped to further confirm a theory which life has taught me over the years that those with the highest IQ`s are often much nearer the bottom of the class when it comes to the very important quality which is needed for good decision making, common sense leading to good judgement.
 
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Lot of truth in what Robbie says. It's a shame, but that's the way some folk are. Who'd be a football club owner??
 
If SS get`s a good manager in this time, who is able to turn things around I am sure he will start to love being a football club owner .We all wish him well.
 
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Good article by Robbie- disagree with a couple of his points but I don't believe that Robbie writes for a bunch of nodding fools. Certainly opens up debate.
 
Agree with a lot of Ops views. What baffles me is that after the Rochdale away game I came away Happy. Thought we looked good and dominated them even though it was 0-0. Since then he's tinkered with the side and as mentioned before we look lopsided. We have a better squad now and have underperformed. That is down to Grayson so he had to go.
 
It’s difficult to admit but I am starting to consistently agree with the views of BasilBob and his erudite contributions are actually becoming enjoyable. This is most difficult for me to come to terms with!
 
Rossendale

That is partly because I think that fans are a significant part of the problem - as far as the owner is concerned.

From his point of view, having sanctioned an entire team's worth of signings only last month, he will NOT have wanted to make a decision like this, or feel he was being bounced into it. And I feel that he has been bounced, by a section of the support that seem to think the club owes them instant gratification.

I'm worried about what happens now if we appoint a new manager, and he limps over the line this season without noticeably improving performances. What then? Will there be another hissy fit from the hard of patience, and if there is, will the club take notice of it again and let it dictate policy again?

I'd like to think that they won't. I'd also like to think that the fans will cut the new manager some slack. But they didn't do it for Grayson, so it is more hope over expectation on that front.

I wouldn't mind if we were a big club that had fallen on hard times. But we are a small to medium club, that, apart from one spell of about five years or so, has been mediocre for over forty years. Where this massive sense of entitlement comes from, I really don't know. I know people are impatient for good times to come back, but it is a competitive environment, and stamping your feet every time one of those other pesky 71 clubs gets in the way isn't going to make any dreams come true.
 
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Rossendale

That is partly because I think that fans are a significant part of the problem - as far as the owner is concerned.

From his point of view, having sanctioned an entire team's worth of signings only last month, he will NOT have wanted to make a decision like this, or feel he was being bounced into it. And I feel that he has been bounced, by a section of the support that seem to think the club owes them instant gratification.

I'm worried about what happens now if we appoint a new manager, and he limps over the line this season without noticeably improving performances. What then? Will there be another hissy fit from the hard of patience, and if there is, will the club take notice of it again and let it dictate policy again?

I'd like to think that they won't. I'd also like to think that the fans will cut the new manager some slack. But they didn't do it for Grayson, so it is more hope over expectation on that front.

I wouldn't mind if we were a big club that had fallen on hard times. But we are a small to medium club, that, apart from one spell of about five years or so, has been mediocre for over forty years. Where this massive sense of entitlement comes from, I really don't know. I know people are impatient for good times to come back, but it is a competitive environment, and stamping your feet every time one of those other pesky 71 clubs gets in the way isn't going to make any dreams come true.
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I hear what you say and probably agree with your sentiment to be honest, but where do we draw the line ?

Are supporters any worse because they are less patient than your goodself ?

In sacking Larry when he did, does that make Sadler impatient, petulant, etc, etc ?

Don't get me wrong, your views are certainly not of a lesser value than those of other supporters and you are perfectly entitled to express them but to be honest I'm struggling to see why your views should be worth any more than those of the next supporter.
 
Robbie, you are right to a certain extent IMO....I certainly agree with you in terms of our supporters, the lack of patience and the issues that can create both for the owner in terms of effective deciusion making and also for the team, in terms of creating an environment that will bring out the very best in them.

We really have no idea as to what goes on inside the Club on a Day to Day basis and to that extent, I tend to always lean towards giving a Manager adequate time to arrest and deal with the personnel issues and develop their own team etc..., but on this i am struggling...I'd have certainly backed the owner if he had opted to give SG to the end of the season, but I had lost any faith in his ability turn things around.

He just wasn't right at all...It wasn't the crowd's fault although I accept that some fans have been utterly ridiculous in their expectations.....Could you really see anything in Grayson that suggested he had an idea how to put things right?
 
basilrobbie said:
I know people are impatient for good times to come back, but it is a competitive environment, and stamping your feet every time one of those other pesky 71 clubs gets in the way isn't going to make any dreams come true.
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For me, it was 100% about the football and it was boring, negative, badly thought out and I thought the last two games with effectively a new squad to choose from should have seen a massive difference in all of that from Larry .. the fact is it didn't and I couldn't see it changing anytime soon.
 
It's a ludicrous and untenable precedent for a club the size of ours to be engaging in the constant swapping of managers. I din't think Larry helped himself though. Perhaps blame on both side.
 
basilrobbie said:
Rossendale

That is partly because I think that fans are a significant part of the problem - as far as the owner is concerned.

From his point of view, having sanctioned an entire team's worth of signings only last month, he will NOT have wanted to make a decision like this, or feel he was being bounced into it. And I feel that he has been bounced, by a section of the support that seem to think the club owes them instant gratification.

I'm worried about what happens now if we appoint a new manager, and he limps over the line this season without noticeably improving performances. What then? Will there be another hissy fit from the hard of patience, and if there is, will the club take notice of it again and let it dictate policy again?

I'd like to think that they won't. I'd also like to think that the fans will cut the new manager some slack. But they didn't do it for Grayson, so it is more hope over expectation on that front.

I wouldn't mind if we were a big club that had fallen on hard times. But we are a small to medium club, that, apart from one spell of about five years or so, has been mediocre for over forty years. Where this massive sense of entitlement comes from, I really don't know. I know people are impatient for good times to come back, but it is a competitive environment, and stamping your feet every time one of those other pesky 71 clubs gets in the way isn't going to make any dreams come true.
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Like I say, I agree with some of what you say, but Sadler sacked Grayson because of the poor results and performances, not because of the fans' reaction on Tuesday night.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I hear what you say and probably agree with your sentiment to be honest, but where do we draw the line ?

Are supporters any worse because they are less patient than your goodself ?

In sacking Larry when he did, does that make Sadler impatient, petulant, etc, etc ?

Don't get me wrong, your views are certainly not of a lesser value than those of other supporters and you are perfectly entitled to express them but to be honest I'm struggling to see why your views should be worth any more than those of the next supporter.
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Your first section makes my point - where do FANS draw the line? Because it is them who are panicking, isn't it?

As for the last paragraph - I don't think that I suggest my views carry any more weight at any point, do I?

Edit to add : Rossendale, just seen your last point. I think that is precisely what he DID do. I quite understand why, but I think it sets a very dangerous precedent.
 
basilrobbie said:
Rossendale

That is partly because I think that fans are a significant part of the problem - as far as the owner is concerned.

From his point of view, having sanctioned an entire team's worth of signings only last month, he will NOT have wanted to make a decision like this, or feel he was being bounced into it. And I feel that he has been bounced, by a section of the support that seem to think the club owes them instant gratification.

I'm worried about what happens now if we appoint a new manager, and he limps over the line this season without noticeably improving performances. What then? Will there be another hissy fit from the hard of patience, and if there is, will the club take notice of it again and let it dictate policy again?

I'd like to think that they won't. I'd also like to think that the fans will cut the new manager some slack. But they didn't do it for Grayson, so it is more hope over expectation on that front.

I wouldn't mind if we were a big club that had fallen on hard times. But we are a small to medium club, that, apart from one spell of about five years or so, has been mediocre for over forty years. Where this massive sense of entitlement comes from, I really don't know. I know people are impatient for good times to come back, but it is a competitive environment, and stamping your feet every time one of those other pesky 71 clubs gets in the way isn't going to make any dreams come true.
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I wouldn’t worry as you can do fluff all about it.
Grayson was a total failure. We may have played well in a couple of games for 45 minutes but the majority of performances were some of the most disjointed dross I’ve ever seen. He’s lucky he lasted as long as he did.
Just to say that if you think Sadler reacted to the canon fodder in the north stand then you couldn’t be further from the truth.
 
Sometimes the right decisions are ones that nobody ‘wants’ make.

However, I understand that is a difficult one for someone who is enjoying a civil servant’s pension having spent a career letting others make all the decisions
 
In the end what changed my mind?
I didn’t think Larry had it in him to turn things around.
Why?
Because after he’d got his players in* he did absolutely nothing to try to improve the on field offerings.
it was just continuing in the same fashion and hoping for different results. Someone once said that’s the definition of insanity didn’t they.

therefore what was the point in dragging things out.

*are we sure these were Graysons signings? Seemed like a major hedge from thepowers that be, as I think they could already see the writing on the wall.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Sometimes the right decisions are ones that nobody ‘wants’ make.

However, I understand that is a difficult one for someone who is enjoying a civil servant’s pension having spent a career letting others make all the decisions
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I'm flattered you have followed my career to such an extent DSOL. But I refute your outrageous suggestion that I allowed others to decide what biscuits we had at afternoon break. This was my best perk, how dare you?
 
Not sure why Robbie needs a third party to post for him, but that asside, I do agree with most of his comments, as I do share his concerns regarding knee jerk reactions. That said, the icon could be justifiably accused of fiddling whilst Rome burnt once before.
 
Rektseasider said:
In the end what changed my mind?
I didn’t think Larry had it in him to turn things around.
Why?
Because after he’d got his players in* he did absolutely nothing to try to improve the on field offerings.
it was just continuing in the same fashion and hoping for different results. Someone once said that’s the definition of insanity didn’t they.

therefore what was the point in dragging things out.

*are we sure these were Graysons signings? Seemed like a major hedge from thepowers that be, as I think they could already see the writing on the wall.
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The transfer window was a bit of a dogs dinner in the end and so if the Manager wasn't responsible, then whoever was should be following him out of the door.

We need to be specifically targeting players who will fulfil specific roles that compliment the way in which the Manager / Club want to play football.

I took a brief look at a Chris Beech presser during the Window and the contrast between him and Larry in terms of conveying the reasoning behind incoming signings was like night and day. With Larry it just seemed to incorerent babble with a few football cliche's thrown in...Much like his post match reflections...." Front foot this, Individual errors that...." yet no actual recognistion of the lack of balance or proper shape, no indication of how they were working hard in training to improve the obvious, no understanding or explanation of the role incoming players would fulfil...

He left me with absolutely no confidence whatsoever that he had any grasp of how to manage a football club....
 
basilrobbie said:
Your first section makes my point - where do FANS draw the line? Because it is them who are panicking, isn't it?

As for the last paragraph - I don't think that I suggest my views carry any more weight at any point, do I?

Edit to add : Rossendale, just seen your last point. I think that is precisely what he DID do. I quite understand why, but I think it sets a very dangerous precedent.
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Robbie - To be honest with you, I think you always think your views are somehow worth more/better/more correct than those of others.

Perhaps we are all guilty of this ?

As I said already, I think that my own views on the sacking of Grayson and the timing would be very similar to your own but plenty of others think he should have been sacked far sooner.

Are the other supporters fickle or are you and me fools, the $64m question.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The transfer window was a bit of a dogs dinner in the end and so if the Manager wasn't responsible, then whoever was should be following him out of the door.

We need to be specifically targeting players who will fulfil specific roles that compliment the way in which the Manager / Club want to play football.

I took a brief look at a Chris Beech presser during the Window and the contrast between him and Larry in terms of conveying the reasoning behind incoming signings was like night and day. With Larry it just seemed to incorerent babble with a few football cliche's thrown in...Much like his post match reflections...." Front foot this, Individual errors that...." yet no actual recognistion of the lack of balance or proper shape, no indication of how they were working hard in training to improve the obvious, no understanding or explanation of the role incoming players would fulfil...

He left me with absolutely no confidence whatsoever that he had any grasp of how to manage a football club....
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I think the window was a mess ultimately because upstairs knew Grayson wasn’t lasting the season.

they brought people in to cobble us through to the end of the season. It was engineered as to not throw loads of investment at Larry.

to me that says they’re going to back whoever I’m the summer with large amounts of investment.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Robbie - To be honest with you, I think you always think your views are somehow worth more/better/more correct than those of others.

Perhaps we are all guilty of this ?

As I said already, I think that my own views on the sacking of Grayson and the timing would be very similar to your own but plenty of others think he should have been sacked far sooner.

Are the other supporters fickle or are you and me fools, the $64m question.
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There doesn't have to be an 'Either / Or' when it comes to a decison like this...

It can be OK to take the decisive decision to part company with the manager and equally OK to keep faith in the Manager in order to see how things might work out.
 
The problem was that after Southend we regressed again when we really needed progress. So Sadler decided enough was enough.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm flattered you have followed my career to such an extent DSOL. But I refute your outrageous suggestion that I allowed others to decide what biscuits we had at afternoon break. This was my best perk, how dare you?
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You havent mentioned the morning break biscuits,nor the vanilla slice with the head of MI5 at the ex Cambridge Uni spy clique debriefs
Can we mention the jam sandwich with Tracy Temple? 😆
 
i don't think it was a coincidence that SS wasn't there on Saturday but he flew in for a Tuesday night game. I think his mind was made up, and it wasn't by the fans' reaction on the night, but by the performances and results since August.
 
basilrobbie said:
From his point of view, having sanctioned an entire team's worth of signings only last month, he will NOT have wanted to make a decision like this, or feel he was being bounced into it. And I feel that he has been bounced, by a section of the support that seem to think the club owes them instant gratification.
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So basically, unsurprisingly, you're saying Simon Sadler pulled the trigger because he was pressured into it.
We're talking about an educated, erudite and highly successful business man here, but for some reason, you seem to think you know exactly why Grayson was potted and seek to blame supporters for it.

Last week you were moaning and pontificating from your pulpit of self-indulgence about fans in your row of seating getting up to go for a beer, you even documented what time they arrived and what time they left. Yet of course, you'd no insight into their circumstances or reasons. One of them may have been incontinent, maybe they were rushing back to catch the last train to Inverness ?? Who the hell do you think you are ?

You also then went on to accuse Matt Scrafton of having an agenda against your mate Grayson - and since then, it's been the fans who are to blame and Sadler gets discredited by you for being a pandering patsy who's sacked the manager based on the lower-classes, as you undoubtedly view them, for chanting anti-Grayson songs.

You come across as someone who was bullied at school and hasn't yet found a way to deal with it, so to compensate you put everyone else around you into a melting pot of inferiority, then in your own mind, you rise all the way to the top and take great pleasure in casting judgements that help you feel good about yourself.

You're pathetic and should probably get some counselling for whatever it is that's made you this way. You're no icon dude, you're a joke.
 
RONJI said:
You've not upset me one jot, so don't give yourself that much credit mate. You can't back up what you post, that's the nuts and bolts of it all.
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He has an issue with Church Army Youth who made him wear a Manure shirt when he turned up for cubs earlier on a Friday evening.If you read some of his posts he mentions about Fleetwood being Manure fans and seems to carry the emotional scars.

Cant help but feel sorry for him on that score-its a youngsters nightmare unless of course you lived in Yarkshire on the same street as Jimmy Savile
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There doesn't have to be an 'Either / Or' when it comes to a decison like this...

It can be OK to take the decisive decision to part company with the manager and equally OK to keep faith in the Manager in order to see how things might work out.
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Exactly.

Where do we draw the line ?

Nobody is right or wrong but Robbie - and yourself - seems to give no consideration to the views of others if they differ from your own.

My views would be in line with those of Robbie and yourself but I can hear the views of others without cries of fickle, petulance, impatience, etc, etc.
 
Rektseasider said:
I think the window was a mess ultimately because upstairs knew Grayson wasn’t lasting the season.

they brought people in to cobble us through to the end of the season. It was engineered as to not throw loads of investment at Larry.

to me that says they’re going to back whoever I’m the summer with large amounts of investment.
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SEASIDE2020 said:
Exactly.

Where do we draw the line ?

Nobody is right or wrong but Robbie - and yourself - seems to give no consideration to the views of others if they differ from your own.

My views would be in line with those of Robbie and yourself but I can hear the views of others without cries of fickle, petulance, impatience, etc, etc.
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I don't really agree with Robbie to be honest, as I have said on this thread. I am absolutely fine with the decision to sack him as I really don't think he was showing any sign at all that he was capable of turning things around.

I also don't have a problem with a different opnion either and I can see where Robbie is coming from.... Ultimately though, Sadler felt he needed to call time on Grayson and I don't blame him.
 
I don't believe for one moment SS has been influenced by fans, he would have seen with his own eyes how we have slid down the league in the last couple of months and if things did not change then we could be in a relegation scrap come end of the season.
He made a decision quite possibly one he did not want to make but took the bull by the horns on seeing the stats from the past couple of months and bingo, manager is responsible and has to go.
There is no guarantee that with a new manager matters will improve but the truth is, the squad has some decent players and under a new manager will no doubt want to impress so I am hopeful that the rest of the season we can finish in the top half of the league, have a decent pre-season and hit the ground running for next year.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don't really agree with Robbie to be honest, as I have said on this thread. I am absolutely fine with the decision to sack him as I really don't think he was showing any sign at all that he was capable of turning things around.

I also don't have a problem with a different opnion either and I can see where Robbie is coming from.... Ultimately though, Sadler felt he needed to call time on Grayson and I don't blame him.
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I didn't mean your views mirrored those of Robbie on everything re Grayson.

I think it's fair to say that during our bad run of results you were of the opinion that anybody that wanted Grayson out was fickle, petulant, impatient, etc, etc.
 
BFC x 3 - Perhaps I should have said that you spent a long time ridiculing 50's for continually expressing an opinion that Larry wasn't the man for the job.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I hear what you say and probably agree with your sentiment to be honest, but where do we draw the line ?

Are supporters any worse because they are less patient than your goodself ?

In sacking Larry when he did, does that make Sadler impatient, petulant, etc, etc ?

Don't get me wrong, your views are certainly not of a lesser value than those of other supporters and you are perfectly entitled to express them but to be honest I'm struggling to see why your views should be worth any more than those of the next supporter.
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In sacking Larry when Simon did, it certainly shows One thing, that he is cut throat when a decision needs to made, backs his own judgement and is seriously into making a success out of his tenure as custodian of the football club he actually supports. I certainly wouldn't want to come up against him in an old fashioned wild west shootout.
 
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