Embleton

Did a job for us last season and a player who I think will improve further under critchley but not worth a hefty fee imo. Anything over 400k too much
 
Abel said:
They're just playing hardball. He's only got a year to run on his contract, so if he wants the move he should stick a transfer request in.

I wouldn't pay a penny over £200K for him personally. Decent with potential to improve, but not a key cog in the wheel.
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I doubt we'd get him for 200k. More likely to go elsewhere or stay where he is. I think. He's a young lad with potential, think I'd go a little higher. Likely to gain value over the next 2 or 3 years.
 
voyeur said:
I doubt we'd get him for 200k. More likely to go elsewhere or stay where he is. I think. He's a young lad with potential, think I'd go a little higher. Likely to gain value over the next 2 or 3 years.
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You also have to remember that despite having a billionaire owner Sundekand are skint and on their arse financially.......they know we want him, have money and are trying to squeeze us financially for every penny they can get. I think this one will go right to the end of the window.
 
voyeur said:
I doubt we'd get him for 200k. More likely to go elsewhere or stay where he is. I think. He's a young lad with potential, think I'd go a little higher. Likely to gain value over the next 2 or 3 years.
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I wouldn't be sure. Bottom has fallen out of the transfer market (with a few exceptions).

Let's not forget that he's 22 rather than 19/20 and has only 14 league appearances for Sunderland (he has more league appearances for us in half a season!). Indeed, he only made 3 league appearances for them the season before and spent 18/19 on loan at Grimsby. Our competition to sign him on loan in January was Mansfield (who got Sarkic instead!).

Reality is they're playing hardball, in part because they've got egg on their face for letting him come on loan here as they didn't consider us a threat. I think they'll blink personally, particularly if he forces their hand: better to get something for him rather than nothing in twelve months time.

Don't forget they've still got McGeady and Gooch and have signed Pritchard, so I don't think they'll have him pegged as a first choice starter.
 
Abel said:
I wouldn't be sure. Bottom has fallen out of the transfer market (with a few exceptions).

Let's not forget that he's 22 rather than 19/20 and has only 14 league appearances for Sunderland (he has more league appearances for us in half a season!). Indeed, he only made 3 league appearances for them the season before and spent 18/19 on loan at Grimsby. Our competition to sign him on loan in January was Mansfield (who got Sarkic instead!).

Reality is they're playing hardball, in part because they've got egg on their face for letting him come on loan here as they didn't consider us a threat. I think they'll blink personally, particularly if he forces their hand: better to get something for him rather than nothing in twelve months time.

Don't forget they've still got McGeady and Gooch and have signed Pritchard, so I don't think they'll have him pegged as a first choice starter.
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I hope you're right. He just may be worth more to them than 200k, or they may be offered more than 200k by another club. 22 is still young. If he really pushes to come to us that might swing it.
 
Half a million is probably a fair compromise. More than that and we need to look elsewhere two footed or no two footed.
 
Dont need him, we have better.
Too inconsistent like kaikai who we let go, rightly!
Cant get a start for Sunderland, so they obviously dont rate him!
 
I'd like to sign him as he was improving with pitch time but not worth breaking the bank. Confidence could still take him far, he's came from a basket case club and was getting better.

Hopefully a compromise can be reached, especially for him as although I can't see him starting he'd be in the match squad as it stands.
 
Ping Pong said:
Dont need him, we have better.
Too inconsistent like kaikai who we let go, rightly!
Cant get a start for Sunderland, so they obviously dont rate him!
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Disagree. He's a young lad who will improve with more experience. Sunderland didn't rate him last season but he got promoted with us. He provides something we otherwise lack, he's good technically, and his confidence was starting to come at the end of the season. I wouldn't spend big money on him but he's a better punt than Lubala or Nuttall, a lot better.
 
I can't understand why Sunderland are so keen to get rid - they don't have better imo, except McGeady but he's 35 and Embleton is 22.
He started regularly for a side that finished above them in the league, and was a key player in the play-offs. The goal against Oxford is exactly what we'd missed for a large chunk of the season - a goal-scoring midfielder. It reminded me of some of the goals KDH used to score (i'm not saying he's as good though).
I wouldn't use Sunderland's judgement of him as a reason not to want him - they've consistently made terrible decisions in the transfer market for years now, which is why they've ended up in league one on 30k crowds.
He is well worth a punt in my view, but agree with others that I wouldn't go over £500k for him. If the message above is true about them wanting £2m for him, then we should move on. But that also supports my point about Sunderland - if they think he's valued at £2m, £2m players tend to be very good in league one, because there aren't many of them. Yet another mistake by them I think.
 
It's a difficult one this. I think he has bags of potential and it's no coincidence we went on a very good run when he came into the side, but I wouldn't be held to ransom over him, £360k would be top dollar for me and I still think we would need a real exciting playmaker in midfield to drive us forward and score some goals and I think Embo is too lightweight for that. If we sign him, great, if not I won't be worrying too much about it, but we do need someone.
 
hertfordseasider said:
It's a difficult one this. I think he has bags of potential and it's no coincidence we went on a very good run when he came into the side, but I wouldn't be held to ransom over him, £360k would be top dollar for me and I still think we would need a real exciting playmaker in midfield to drive us forward and score some goals and I think Embo is too lightweight for that. If we sign him, great, if not I won't be worrying too much about it, but we do need someone.
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360k is very precise!
 
Half a million seems absolutely bonkers to me. Same price that we signed Adam for, and he had three years to run on his Rangers deal when we signed him.
 
If Embleton wants to leave he could easily force a realistic transfer fee by refusing to sign a new contract. In fact he could do that anyway to leave on a free at the end of the season. That would give him more options.
 
He's OK but not worth silly money with Anderson and Hamilton both out injured when he came to us he started but not sure he does now as would rather have them two in the side than Embleton and not as a number 10 Madine or a Simms type up top with Yates is better.
 
I do think sans Sullay we need a touch more creatively. Sonny is very young, asking a lot for him to walk in to the team and bowler is a dribbler, not a passer. Embo has something, I'm just not sure if it's worth spending too much for him. I'm undecided on him. Some absolutely lovely, ridiculously clever touches and some very pedestrian play in the same player. He's reasonably versatile which might go in his favour.
 
If they think they're playing hardball asking for £2m, we should play harder ball saying we'll take him off your inflated payroll for £100k. Eventually we might agree on £250k.

If they insist on more we should walk away. I trust the BFC negotiators to out-manoeuvre Sunderland on this given their woeful history. Embleton is not a "must-have" for us.
 
If Sunderland are playing hard ball then I suggest we move onto other targets and make them sweat a bit. Whoever suggested 500k is bonkers for player who can’t get in a basket case of a side like Sunderland.
 
I really liked Embleton and think 250 rising to 500 based on appearances etc would be a fair deal

Surely their 2m valuation can't be real? Maybe their owner has watched Sunderland Till I Die and saw how they got ripped off for Grigg and has adopted the same tactic
 
Sunderland are just chancing their arm thinking we are desperate to sign him, as if one of their bench warmers came in and single handedly got us promoted. Offer 300k and stick with it. If they end up accepting great but if not I don’t think we should be that bothered.
 
I think the haggling for Embo should be in the 200 to 500k range. I might pay 400 but not 500. But who am I ? 🤣 It's a call for Critch and the blazing Sadler.

I read suggestions that we paid 500k or more for Lubala and Nuttall. But Embo only has one year left, so we should hold out. He's obviously better than those 2 though.
 
td53 said:
I do think sans Sullay we need a touch more creatively. Sonny is very young, asking a lot for him to walk in to the team and bowler is a dribbler, not a passer. Embo has something, I'm just not sure if it's worth spending too much for him. I'm undecided on him. Some absolutely lovely, ridiculously clever touches and some very pedestrian play in the same player. He's reasonably versatile which might go in his favour.
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I watched matches last season where Embo might as well not have been there. I watched others where he was the spark that started forward moves. To me that says young inexperienced player. I like him and I reckon - under Critch - he'll be up for the Championship.
 
iplayer allowed supporters to make a sounder judgment on players. I actually didn't rate him.

I would've kept Sulley though.
 
kuriousoranj said:
iplayer allowed supporters to make a sounder judgment on players. I actually didn't rate him.

I would've kept Sulley though.
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Good point re. iPlayer. Disagree about Embo. Also, Sully can be brilliant and, towards the end of the season he got a lot better. So...why does he go missing?!
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Good point re. iPlayer. Disagree about Embo. Also, Sully can be brilliant and, towards the end of the season he got a lot better. So...why does he go missing?!
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Like Jerry Yates didn't score any goals in the first quarter of the season. Sullay's main problem during his indifferent spell was his defensive duties which he improved and became a real threat going forward.
 
There seems to be a fair few posters stuck in the past regarding transfer fees.
For Championship clubs, especially ones known to have a few to spend, £500k nowadays is nothing.
It would only take Embleton to have a successful season after he signed and he'd be worth 10 times that, minimum.
 
tangomonkey said:
If Sunderland are playing hard ball then I suggest we move onto other targets and make them sweat a bit. Whoever suggested 500k is bonkers for player who can’t get in a basket case of a side like Sunderland.
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Embleton started Sunderland's friendly with Hearts of Midlothian who got promoted to the Scottish Premiership last season. Sunderland won 2-0.
 

Embleton

Not that I pay any attention but Nicko on Twitter reckon Blackpool want to buy him but valuations way apart. It did get me thinking though, how much £ would you take for him? What would be the breaking point money wise? If they came in with something silly do we trust the recruitment to reinvest...
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"Rumours his brother is telling people he wants away as he doesn’t believe he’ll get a proper chance under LJ, hopefully bullshit!

He had a decent game yesterday, so, maybe we'll see the player that lots of people hoped would emerge do so.

Played well yesterday, be stupid to sell him.

Wigan met his valuation earlier this summer but he didn't want to go, club wanted to retain.

250k maybe 300k max

He'll go nowhere for that then. You can't get any fucker for that, certainly not anyone with a bit of potential. not worth selling.

I get the impression Johnson is yet to be convinced that Embleton is a good fit for the system he wants to play. He’s undoubtedly got ability but I genuinely think once the squad is fully assembled he won’t be guaranteed a starting place. If this has been communicated to Embleton or it’s his perception you could see where the rumour of his unrest has come from.

Flattered to impress yesterday, was just bang average which is all I think he's is. If someone offered a mil I'd rip their hands off. He just hasn't got that final edge to his game.

If he was mid to late 20’s I’d sell. He isn’t though and has potential, if he improves great but if he doesn’t we haven’t lost much.

Dont think im bothered either way, hes looked ok when ive seen him play but never really stood out.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
There seems to be a fair few posters stuck in the past regarding transfer fees.
For Championship clubs, especially ones known to have a few to spend, £500k nowadays is nothing.
It would only take Embleton to have a successful season after he signed and he'd be worth 10 times that, minimum.
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It’s you who is stuck in the past, I’m afraid.

From a piece in The Athletic yesterday:

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“Don’t call me this summer, we’ve got no money,” says a leading Championship manager to the army of player representatives blowing up his phone.

It is a conversation that has been echoed by others. Only a handful of clubs in English football’s second division will be paying transfer fees in a bid to remain competitive with the relegated Premier League trio of West Bromwich Albion, Fulham and Sheffield United in this window — and even then, the figures involved will be modest.”
 
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