End of the Monarchy?

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Mexboroseasider

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Reading the various Andrew threads there’s a clear split between the “Enough of the bowing and scraping, just get rid of the whole lot” brigade (TAM that’ll be you), and the “Andrew is a bad apple but the rest are sound, GSTK” contingent (20s that’ll be you).

So which is right?

Is throwing Andrew to the wolves “just the right thing to do to preserve the dynasty”?

Or is it “They all knew what was going on and now are just trying to cover their arses”?

Discuss.
 
I’m unsure. I think the action taken regarding Andrew is 100% correct.
It irks me that he has been protected, but that was mainly by the Queen, despite others knowing.
I don’t think we should get rid of the lot, but would support a scale down. I think William and Catherine will do better at representing the monarchy when their times comes, but time will tell.
 
Personally (as perhaps as my previous posts suggest) I am sick of the lot of them
I’m not inherently an anti-monarchist however when you have the royal family protecting scum it makes you reflect on what exactly their role is in the 21st C
Tell you something there is no chance of me ever bowing to the German inbreds
 
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I read this evening that the Met are now looking at reopening the case on him now he's not a Prince.

That completely boils my p*ss (as the saying goes). So what you're really saying is that when he is royalty he is untouchable but as a commoner he faces the law?

If we are to retain this idea of a family being better born than the rest of us, is there any chance that the law and taxation regime applies to them 100%?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Apparently Randy would get upset if someone didn’t bow to him when leaving a meal to go to the loo and get ‘ his people ‘ to admonish them
This is what we are dealing with What a clown and what an institution that places store by this type of bollux in this day and age
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Ridiculous to read and well, not surprising at all. I have in the past done work for Gerald Windsor. Yet another one who believed he was a 14th century noble.
 
Chunkylad said:
I read this evening that the Met are now looking at reopening the case on him now he's not a Prince.

That completely boils my p*ss (as the saying goes). So what you're really saying is that when he is royalty he is untouchable but as a commoner he faces the law?

If we are to retain this idea of a family being better born than the rest of us, is there any chance that the law and taxation regime applies to them 100%?
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All those legal eagles jostling for the gig of representing amw. Proclaiming he is innocent and keeping all those guilty sordid details a secret.
 
Halifax71 said:
The sooner William takes the crown the better - if charles tries to drag his reign out it may be the end.
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It will be William who finishes the monarchy mark my words. God help us all it'll be President Stephen Fry or Blair.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Apparently Randy would get upset if someone didn’t bow to him when leaving a meal to go to the loo and get ‘ his people ‘ to admonish them
This is what we are dealing with What a clown and what an institution that places store by this type of bollux in this day and age
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How much is true and how much is made up.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Apparently Randy would get upset if someone didn’t bow to him when leaving a meal to go to the loo and get ‘ his people ‘ to admonish them
This is what we are dealing with What a clown and what an institution that places store by this type of bollux in this day and age
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I don’t subscribe to this better than us nonsense, I just recognise the tradition, which I know when I think about it logically is all bloody ridiculous.
I wouldn’t bow to him or any of them. I know we are all equal and all born equal, if they think differently then they are delusional, and yes we are guilty of enabling that illusion.
Andrew is an arrogant nonce with an overly large head tis all.
 
tangerine.com said:
How much is true and how much is made up.
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The observation about him taking offence when somebody went to the toilet and didn’t bow was based on something that said by a member of the Palace staff on LBC.

Bearing in mind we are dealing with a 65 year-old man who apparently throws a strop when his teddy bears aren’t laid out exactly as per his Instruction manual I can’t say that I’m surprised.

In any event what we have with the whole family is an incredible level of deferrace which in my view is wholly misplaced in the 21st century and that’s what I want to see ended as none of them are any better than the rest of us.
 
People say you never change your mind when debating on avfft. I’ve always remained open minded where I can, and TAM has swayed me on this one.
We need a plan to slowly pull the plug on all this nonsense.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The observation about him taking offence when somebody went to the toilet and didn’t bow was based on something that said by a member of the Palace staff on LBC.

Bearing in mind we are dealing with a 65 year-old man who apparently throws a strop when his teddy bears aren’t laid out exactly as per his Instruction manual I can’t say that I’m surprised.

In any event what we have with the whole family is an incredible level of deferrace which in my view is wholly misplaced in the 21st century and that’s what I want to see ended as none of them are any better than the rest of us.
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I'm finding they are becoming more Home Counties set. All wanting to live within the cosseted grounds of Windsor palace.
The only person I have any time for and he isn't remotely royal is Tom Parker Bowles, Camilla's son.
He's written a lot articles over the years and still does. And seems down to earth.
 
Its time for it to end, it ran out of relevance in the 60s. They serve no useful purpose, bar ceremonial function, and frankly a trained monkey could do that. For those that think that without a monarchy the UK has to have a president as head of state, there is no logical reason why that has to be. its not as though the queen ever stood in the way of PMs and UK governments doing harm to the people and the country, they have stood by and watched economic and social collapse under Thatcher, the illegal war perpetrated by Blair, the damage caused by Brexit. Ending the monarchy might be the stimulus that the UK needs to drag itself into the 21st century.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Its time for it to end, it ran out of relevance in the 60s. They serve no useful purpose, bar ceremonial function, and frankly a trained monkey could do that. For those that think that without a monarchy the UK has to have a president as head of state, there is no logical reason why that has to be. its not as though the queen ever stood in the way of PMs and UK governments doing harm to the people and the country, they have stood by and watched economic and social collapse under Thatcher, the illegal war perpetrated by Blair, the damage caused by Brexit. Ending the monarchy might be the stimulus that the UK needs to drag itself into the 21st century.
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You’re probably rigth.

In a way, the debate was frozen in time because of the late Queen (gawd bless her!!). She’d been around so long that no one wanted to be rude about, or upset, the Old Girl.

Well she’s now dead. And maybe we should let her go and begin to grow up?
 
tangerine.com said:
I'm finding they are becoming more Home Counties set. All wanting to live within the cosseted grounds of Windsor palace.
The only person I have any time for and he isn't remotely royal is Tom Parker Bowles, Camilla's son.
He's written a lot articles over the years and still does. And seems down to earth.
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Maybe they should all be locked within the grounds of Windsor park, like a royal safari park, and the UK gov could sell tickets to go and watch them, certain types of Americans would probably pay a fortune to sit down and talk and eat with them. Then it could be filmed and a show aired for all the royalists a cross between big brother and I'm a royal let me out of here. In this week's episode Andrew has been accused of being a nonce, but Andrew has come back with Charles wanting to be Camilla's tampon.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Maybe they should all be locked within the grounds of Windsor park, like a royal safari park, and the UK gov could sell tickets to go and watch them, certain types of Americans would probably pay a fortune to sit down and talk and eat with them. Then it could be filmed and a show aired for all the royalists a cross between big brother and I'm a royal let me out of here. In this week's episode Andrew has been accused of being a nonce, but Andrew has come back with Charles wanting to be Camilla's tampon.
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Ah yes. I’d forgotten about TamponGate 😂
 
Since the Queen died the royal family have lost a lot of people's respect but what is the alternative?

Mex, do you want President Farage?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Personally (as perhaps as my previous posts suggest) I am sick of the lot of them
I’m not inherently an anti-monarchist however when you have the royal family protecting scum it makes you reflect on what exactly their role is in the 21st C
Tell you something there is no chance of me ever bowing to the German inbreds
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They’ve been the same pretty much throughout history. If they weren’t the Royal family they’d be regarded as the most infamous family ever, more akin to the Mafia.
 
First off apart from the Duchy of Lancaster which is a big earner for them they have zero interest in the North of England.
No homes in the North that they inhabit, can't get back down south quick enough after one of their brief PR visits to justify taking tax money from us.
They like Scottish castles and Welsh titles but really its all about the south east of England for them.
Religion and the chain of command from peasant to lord to king to god isn't a thing many people buy into now, they aren't ethereal, spiritual, naturally superior people, Mr A Windsor has proved that.
PM can be head of state, we dont like them we get rid in 5, in theory the Saxe Coburg Gotha Mountbatten Windsors are here for eternity unless we get a new set of grasping, thieving, scheming, violent, entitled war lords that kill them off and take over which would be a very unpleasant thing in the 21st century.
Pay them off, move on and get meritocratic, we might all benefit to some degree.
 
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CompleteControl said:
Since the Queen died the royal family have lost a lot of people's respect but what is the alternative?

Mex, do you want President Farage?
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I dont like Farage but if the people want him give him 5 years, at least he and his kids wont be acting like superior beings for ever.
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
Apparently Randy would get upset if someone didn’t bow to him when leaving a meal to go to the loo and get ‘ his people ‘ to admonish them
This is what we are dealing with What a clown and what an institution that places store by this type of bollux in this day and age
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totally unfair to judge by one bad apple.
 
CompleteControl said:
Since the Queen died the royal family have lost a lot of people's respect but what is the alternative?

Mex, do you want President Farage?
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Why not have the PM as the elected head of state and head of government (with the necessary constitutional, electoral and governance reform) and a separate elected cultural head of state, which is what the modern royal role effectively is, but they don't really reflect modern Britain. Imagine a Helen mirren, or Judy Dench, or David Hockney or nick park, or Damien Hurst or even Jeremy Clarkson. In the role for four or five years with the sole intent of promoting British culture of all shades at home and abroad.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I see 20s is swerving/ducking and diving this thread.

Gone into hiding.

GSTK.
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no i'm not, i don't avoid anything unlike losers like you. I go to the pub for a few hours on a saturday evening. So you're wrong again. You've been missing for a few days now. i wonder why that is?
 
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Costero Poderoso said:
Why not have the PM as the elected head of state and head of government (with the necessary constitutional, electoral and governance reform) and a separate elected cultural head of state, which is what the modern royal role effectively is, but they don't really reflect modern Britain. Imagine a Helen mirren, or Judy Dench, or David Hockney or nick park, or Damien Hurst or even Jeremy Clarkson. In the role for four or five years with the sole intent of promoting British culture of all shades at home and abroad.
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why not you stay in Spain and worry about your life there.
 
CompleteControl said:
Since the Queen died the royal family have lost a lot of people's respect but what is the alternative?

Mex, do you want President Farage?
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You don't need to have that. Portugal ( where I happen to live) has an elected President as Head of State and an elected Prime Minister who runs the government. It's a semi type of system. Seems to work well enough.
 
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The Royal Family have loads of dodgy baggage accumulated over the years, including Charles. Just a few years ago he accommodated, in Duchy premises, the ex-Bishop of Gloucester, Peter Ball, after he was released from prison, having been convicted of numerous sexual offences against numerous victims. He was close to him, and supportive of him. But did nothing to support the victims of his abuse.
But now, in the latest statement on Andrew, it is very convenient, for PR reasons, to express sympathy for the victims of abuse.
 
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bfcpete said:
The Royal Family have loads of dodgy baggage accumulated over the years, including Charles. Just a few years ago he accommodated, in Duchy premises, the ex-Bishop of Gloucester, Peter Ball, after he was released from prison, having been convicted of numerous sexual offences against numerous victims. He was close to him, and supportive of him. But did nothing to support the victims of his abuse.
But now, in the latest statement on Andrew, it is very convenient, for PR reasons, to express sympathy for the victims of abuse.
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But William seems to have his skeletons as well.

Where do you turn when the whole barrel is rotten?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Apparently Randy would get upset if someone didn’t bow to him when leaving a meal to go to the loo and get ‘ his people ‘ to admonish them
This is what we are dealing with What a clown and what an institution that places store by this type of bollux in this day and age
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It was (don't know if it still is) common practice in a formal dinner at an Officer's Mess to not be able to leave the table until the most senior officer gives permission and rises from the table. We know how Royals are very frequently the Regimental Colonel-in-Chief so I'd expect it be to true.
I once pissed under the table at a very drunken evening when a guest at the table of the Colonel of the QLR 🤣
 
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Brazil said:
You don't need to have that. Portugal ( where I happen to live) has an elected President as Head of State and an elected Prime Minister who runs the government. It's a semi type of system. Seems to work well enough.
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And we have a monarchy as a figurehead and an elected government and that seems to work well enough too.
 
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