England v Scotland Match Thread

I don't really, we're not going to win it, but who remembers the group games from 1990, they were crap, (I couldn't tell you a single thing about the Dutch game for example but I know I watched it, I can't even remember the scorer in the Egypt game), or the Switzerland draw from 96 or even going back to 66 and the Uruguay game?

You get out of the group, that's all that counts, it doesn't matter how you do it. The most famous example is Italy in 82, didn't win a group game against Peru, Poland or Cameroon and scored two goals, they were terrible.
Yes we can all quote past outside chances coming in....is that your point?
 
Yes we can all quote past outside chances coming in....is that your point?
What's incorrect about it?

What's your point Blood beyond saying we're a bit shit and all your mates think we're not? It's really easy to be a snidey little sniper so what's your actual solution? Maybe we should go for a new manager? Who's your pick for the new man? How would you line up next game? Would you drop Kane? What formation do you want to play? What positives should we take out of the last two games?
 
Don't really watch PL so not really au fait with a lot of these players. Both of the games though we have been really pedestrian. Side to side, go forward ten yards. Pass backwards. Repeat.
There's very little movement.
Don't get sterling at all. He looks like a league two player most of the time. Kane seems uninterested. I could imagine Jerry having a field day with that Scottish back 7.
 
What's incorrect about it?

What's your point Blood beyond saying we're a bit shit and all your mates think we're not? It's really easy to be a snidey little sniper so what's your actual solution? Maybe we should go for a new manager? Who's your pick for the new man? How would you line up next game? Would you drop Kane? What formation do you want to play? What positives should we take out of the last two games?
Don’t get peevish mate...a snide little sniper?? ...my point is simple,,..we won’t win this tournament but we would do better with a decent more positive manager.....of which there are many..and maybe Kane wouldn’t then need dropping
 
Don’t get peevish mate...a snide little sniper?? ...my point is simple,,..we won’t win this tournament but we would do better with a decent more positive manager.....of which there are many..and maybe Kane wouldn’t then need dropping
Who's peevish? I'm not the one pulling others up with 'what's your point' without offering anything beyond 'we're shit'.

So who would you replace the manager with? Got to be available and want the job remember.
 
Don’t get peevish mate...a snide little sniper?? ...my point is simple,,..we won’t win this tournament but we would do better with a decent more positive manager.....of which there are many..and maybe Kane wouldn’t then need dropping
Unfortunately mate I don’t have any faith in the FA’s manager selection process, if we get rid of Southgate, they are going to get another yes man that will always do what the FA tells him to. I got no faith in the FA whatsoever and unless they change, it’s going to be same old garbage every single time. It is like an never ending cycle 😔
 
Not read the rest of the thread it's a bit long, so apologies in advance.
We finally get Grealish on the pitch, but take off our most creative player in Foden. Is there a rule that Foden and Grealish can't play in the same team ?
The world and his dad can see Sterling should have been hooked, but obviously the England manager knows better than us. Two defensive midfield players the entire game, just a thought Jude Bellingham sat on the bench.
Sorry desperate not to lose at home to Scotland ain't good enough, why do we have managers who despise flair.
Southgate is just a young Roy Hodgson.
Only positive is, another 0-0 in the next game, we avoid going out in the last 16.
The manager had a bloody awful night, with a wealth of talent sat on their arses watching on.
 
Unfortunately mate I don’t have any faith in the FA’s manager selection process, if we get rid of Southgate, they are going to get another yes man that will always do what the FA tells him to. I got no faith in the FA whatsoever and unless they change, it’s going to be same old garbage every single time. It is like an never ending cycle 😔
So who would you appoint?
 
I’m loving the ‘It’s Southgate’s fault’ angle.
We’ve just seen the equivalent of Morcombe draw with Man City and and the City fans blaming the manager for not making sure his multi millionaires didn’t outplay Dave the milkman.
 
Not read the rest of the thread it's a bit long, so apologies in advance.
We finally get Grealish on the pitch, but take off our most creative player in Foden. Is there a rule that Foden and Grealish can't play in the same team ?
The world and his dad can see Sterling should have been hooked, but obviously the England manager knows better than us. Two defensive midfield players the entire game, just a thought Jude Bellingham sat on the bench.
Sorry desperate not to lose at home to Scotland ain't good enough, why do we have managers who despise flair.
Southgate is just a young Roy Hodgson.
Only positive is, another 0-0 in the next game, we avoid going out in the last 16.
The manager had a bloody awful night, with a wealth of talent sat on their arses watching on.
👏 flair is exactly what we are missing,again.
We need to be motivated and brave. That’s what entertaining winners are.
 
So who would you appoint?
Like I said mate, if we get rid of Southgate, we all want an English manager who has got the desire but all the English managers in the premier league are garbage and the FA are going to pick one of them. What we need is a foreign manager that can play the right way like guardiola or tuchel but like I said if Southgate goes, then the FA are going to appoint an another yes man unfortunately 😔
 
Like I said mate, if we get rid of Southgate, we all want an English manager who has got the desire but all the English managers in the premier league are garbage and the FA are going to pick one of them. What we need is a foreign manager that can play the right way like guardiola or tuchel but like I said if Southgate goes, then the FA are going to appoint an another yes man unfortunately 😔
We wouldn't get Guardiola or Tuchel and Pepe hardly has a great record in tournaments recently anyway 😉
 
He did in the first game against Croatia.

When we're good they never remember, when we're bad they never forget...
We were good against Crotia ? Did I miss something ?
Foden, Grealish, Mount, Bellingham, Sancho, we have the players, just a manager who believes in them.
People calling Kane is an absolute joke, best goal scorer we have by a country mile. The tempo needs to be a million miles quicker to create openings for him and it won't happen with two defensive midfielders.
Only good thing to come out of tonight, is another draw and we finish second in the group and get past the last 16.
Managers can have off nights as well as players. I wouldn't have wanted to be in that England dressing room at half time if Fergie was manager, there would have been changes.
 
We were good against Crotia ? Did I miss something ?
Foden, Grealish, Mount, Bellingham, Sancho, we have the players, just a manager who believes in them.
People calling Kane is an absolute joke, best goal scorer we have by a country mile. The tempo needs to be a million miles quicker to create openings for him and it won't happen with two defensive midfielders.
Only good thing to come out of tonight, is another draw and we finish second in the group and get past the last 16.
Managers can have off nights as well as players. I wouldn't have wanted to be in that England dressing room at half time if Fergie was manager, there would have been changes.
Would Foden, Grealish, Mount, Bellingham or Sancho start for Italy, or France, or Portugal?

Wales have Ramsey and Bale who would walk in to any team in the tournament, including the three above, but aren't expecting to go out and win every game.
 
The way that we played was very static I thought. The full backs generally didn’t push on, not much movement up front. A draw was a fair result. We didn’t seem to mind as long as we didn’t lose.
All our forwards are looking ineffective. Maybe the risk of losing to Scotland was too big to allow freedom. Who knows? I hope GS will try something different in the next game, but I doubt it. I did enjoy the game, quite a lot of action
at both ends, but England not good enough to deserve a win tonight.
 
Would Foden, Grealish, Mount, Bellingham or Sancho start for Italy, or France, or Portugal?

Wales have Ramsey and Bale who would walk in to any team in the tournament, including the three above, but aren't expecting to go out and win every game.
I have no idea, but I'd like to think their managers would look past players like Sterling and Rashford who have had average seasons for their clubs.
Maybe they'd bring on Sancho wide, maybe they'd take off one defensive midfielder and stick Bellingham on.
We go for the safe option, always have always will. How many International caps would Hoddle have had if he was French ?
Ther's a snobbery around pro football management, they know more than the average fan. Who on God's green earth would have taken Foden off and left Sterling on.
Are we setting out to try and finish second ?
 
We have loads of attacking talent and yet insist on playing two holding midfielders for 90 minutes against the third lowest ranked side in the tournament. Not only that but we struggle to find those holding midfielders when passing it out of defence, and consequently spend the majority of our possession pointlessly passing it back and forth across the back four. Awful. Truly awful and unacceptable to what we should be trying to aspire to.

We seemed to have a tactic of trying to put corners on Phil Foden's head - one of the smallest players on the pitch. Then we take him off, despite him being literally the only England forward that could be bothered making any runs off the ball tonight. All of which were ignored by the midfielders by the way, preferring instead to play the ball back to the defence.

We then put Rashford on - a player totally out of form, instead of the one who has been tearing up the Bundesliga for Dortmund.

Basically, with England, if Harry Kane isn't completely in the zone, Southgate has absolutely no idea how to get us creating chances or scoring goals. And let's be honest Kane has been totally absent in these first two games, and I rate him highly. But I think it's maybe time to give someone else a go like DCL.

This all stems from Southgate pissing around in the friendlies with players that weren't even going to make the cut, and not using the time to try and get us playing in a style and pattern that the players can have confidence in. After the game he actually said that he didn't think we'd been patient enough?! Jeez. So many problems and i'm not sure Gareth has the answers, or a plan. I'd be delighted to have to eat humble pie, but I can't see it.
 
We do everything possible to slow it down and it's all from the coaching. That way of playing gives us absolutely no chance of doing anything significant, here or in Qatar. Pace and penetration, we've got some of the players but they won't let them play.
 
Nah, context means everything and the outrage tonight shows the fickle nature of football fans once again.
I don’t think Ian Wright is fickle. He’s the biggest and most passionate England fan going He called it bang on….that midfield don’t work for a player like Kane, and the subs were baffling especially taking off our best player on the night. Both down to the manager. It’s too easy to just trot out tge fickle football fans line IMO
 
I know lots of lads personally who have massively overrated us mate ...that’s a fact

Blood

I totally agree that many overrate England but that doesn't mean that the team will be majorly effected.

I also agree with you that there are more likely winners of the whole tournament than England but the best team does not always win in football and I don't think it would be the shock of the century for England to beat top sides and win the whole thing especially given that they could potentially have so many home matches.
 
All these people saying it's a point and that we've now virtually qualified for the ko stages ask yourself this question.

Would the likes of Belgium, Italy, France, Portugal or even the Germans labour to a pathetic 0-0 draw against Scotland?

Those saying that it's easy to blame the manager, well, it was, because last night was all down to his inept ability of seeing the bloody obvious.

I'm still pissed off that it's been 25 years since we've had a manager that will let his expressive players go out and grab a game by the scruff of its neck.

Finally, when you get players in post match interviews saying their delighted with a point and a clean sheet after drawing with the Dog & Duck it's a sad state of affairs
 
There is a clamour for Grealish. He's not an England player. When Foden went off we were worse for it.
No individual was going to pull that shambles around. Especially stuck out on the left bumping into Luke Shaw. We were terrible before and after Foden's departure.
 
We have loads of attacking talent and yet insist on playing two holding midfielders for 90 minutes against the third lowest ranked side in the tournament. Not only that but we struggle to find those holding midfielders when passing it out of defence, and consequently spend the majority of our possession pointlessly passing it back and forth across the back four. Awful. Truly awful and unacceptable to what we should be trying to aspire to.

We seemed to have a tactic of trying to put corners on Phil Foden's head - one of the smallest players on the pitch. Then we take him off, despite him being literally the only England forward that could be bothered making any runs off the ball tonight. All of which were ignored by the midfielders by the way, preferring instead to play the ball back to the defence.

We then put Rashford on - a player totally out of form, instead of the one who has been tearing up the Bundesliga for Dortmund.

Basically, with England, if Harry Kane isn't completely in the zone, Southgate has absolutely no idea how to get us creating chances or scoring goals. And let's be honest Kane has been totally absent in these first two games, and I rate him highly. But I think it's maybe time to give someone else a go like DCL.

This all stems from Southgate pissing around in the friendlies with players that weren't even going to make the cut, and not using the time to try and get us playing in a style and pattern that the players can have confidence in. After the game he actually said that he didn't think we'd been patient enough?! Jeez. So many problems and i'm not sure Gareth has the answers, or a plan. I'd be delighted to have to eat humble pie, but I can't see it.
Spot on.
Just as an aside it was a bit like watching Pool in their 2 performances against Rochdale & Shrewsbury. It's never easy playing against teams that come to stifle but playing 2 holding midfielders (and keeping them on) wouldn't be top of my list of counter tactics.
We are good defensively so if we do come up against more offensive tactics we will probably look better even, oddly, if we don't win.
Like I said at before the tournament I have no love for watching England under Southgate but was looking forward to the game last night. I've not been won over.
Give me Southport over Southgate any day. Roll on 10 July. UTMP
 
No individual was going to pull that shambles around. Especially stuck out on the left bumping into Luke Shaw. We were terrible before and after Foden's departure.
spor on. Foden had a couple of moments but didn't influence the game much at all. It was pretty much a shocking performance from the first minute to the last. But I will keep making the same point. Blackpool pretty much play the same way as England. Play it out from the back, two holding midfield players and play slow safe possession sudeways football.
 
spor on. Foden had a couple of moments but didn't influence the game much at all. It was pretty much a shocking performance from the first minute to the last. But I will keep making the same point. Blackpool pretty much play the same way as England. Play it out from the back, two holding midfield players and play slow safe possession sudeways football.
Forden was the best of a bad bunch. Offered far more than Sterling and Mount.
 
spor on. Foden had a couple of moments but didn't influence the game much at all. It was pretty much a shocking performance from the first minute to the last. But I will keep making the same point. Blackpool pretty much play the same way as England. Play it out from the back, two holding midfield players and play slow safe possession sudeways football.
We do it a lot better though! And we had Yates and Simms up front, far more effective. Dougall and Stewart much better than Rice and Peas.
 
Foden made a few runs and put himself in a position to receive the ball in dangerous areas but we ignored him instead passing backwards/sideways. Like an isolated Yates from earlier in the season. Kane less so but again the backward/sideways passing kept him out of the game. Both taken off paying the price for a conservative game plan and managerially enforced unadventurous on pitch decision making.

they will be sat there this morning purring over our positioning and ball recycling stats in PowerPoint and saying job done, well done. Avoiding defeat, getting out of the group and not getting the manager the sack is extent of England’s ambition.
 
Foden really wasn't that good. He was poor too. Just not as poor as the other meant to be creative players.
He was miles better than Sterling & Kane but obviously the youngster has to be take off first
We do it a lot better though! And we had Yates and Simms up front, far more effective. Dougall and Stewart much better than Rice and Peas.
England play 3 in the middle with Rice as the only holding player. Phillips is supposed to support the forwards like Mount on the other side but isn't particularly effective as he is naturally a holder. England play like Blackpool did in September last year with the striker looking like a chump through little fault of his own.
 
Blackpool always play crap at home to the struggling teams and save their better performances against the better teams.

Lets hope it’s the same for England.
 
He was miles better than Sterling & Kane but obviously the youngster has to be take off first

England play 3 in the middle with Rice as the only holding player. Phillips is supposed to support the forwards like Mount on the other side but isn't particularly effective as he is naturally a holder. England play like Blackpool did in September last year with the striker looking like a chump through little fault of his own.
Yep, think Kane last night and the ineffective Yates at the start of last season.
 
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