England v Scotland Match Thread

Wizzerboy said:
All these people saying it's a point and that we've now virtually qualified for the ko stages ask yourself this question.

Would the likes of Belgium, Italy, France, Portugal or even the Germans labour to a pathetic 0-0 draw against Scotland?

Those saying that it's easy to blame the manager, well, it was, because last night was all down to his inept ability of seeing the bloody obvious.

I'm still pissed off that it's been 25 years since we've had a manager that will let his expressive players go out and grab a game by the scruff of its neck.

Finally, when you get players in post match interviews saying their delighted with a point and a clean sheet after drawing with the Dog & Duck it's a sad state of affairs
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Can’t agree more Wizzer. TV in 1996 was the only manager that didn’t suck up to the FA and allowed the players to express themselves, unfortunately he had tax issues circling around him at the time that prevented him carrying on. As for Tyrone Mings in his post match interview saying he was pleased with a draw and a clean sheet will stay with me forever! A statement straight out of the FA book of bollox! Every credit to the jocks who played with passion and fire in their bellies but at the end of the day they are a Pot 4 international team.
 
It’s like Southgate is determined to piss the fans off with a arrogant I know best attitude. Picking the wrong players and playing some in daft positions and then not picking others that should start the game. I know it’s tournament football but ffs.
 
TangerineBayern said:
Can’t agree more Wizzer. TV in 1996 was the only manager that didn’t suck up to the FA and allowed the players to express themselves, unfortunately he had tax issues circling around him at the time that prevented him carrying on. As for Tyrone Mings in his post match interview saying he was pleased with a draw and a clean sheet will stay with me forever! A statement straight out of the FA book of bollox! Every credit to the jocks who played with passion and fire in their bellies but at the end of the day they are a Pot 4 international team.
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So which pot are England in?
 
clappers said:
I don’t think Ian Wright is fickle. He’s the biggest and most passionate England fan going He called it bang on….that midfield don’t work for a player like Kane, and the subs were baffling especially taking off our best player on the night. Both down to the manager. It’s too easy to just trot out tge fickle football fans line IMO
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It is fickle when one game it's a Southgate masterclass and the next purporting that we are doomed.
 
Wizzerboy said:
All these people saying it's a point and that we've now virtually qualified for the ko stages ask yourself this question.

Would the likes of Belgium, Italy, France, Portugal or even the Germans labour to a pathetic 0-0 draw against Scotland?

Those saying that it's easy to blame the manager, well, it was, because last night was all down to his inept ability of seeing the bloody obvious.

I'm still pissed off that it's been 25 years since we've had a manager that will let his expressive players go out and grab a game by the scruff of its neck.

Finally, when you get players in post match interviews saying their delighted with a point and a clean sheet after drawing with the Dog & Duck it's a sad state of affairs
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I totally agree, if we played with a faster tempo, pressed higher up the pitch and select players who are capable of beating a man (Grealish/ Sancho) I'm certain Kane would get more chances, it would be infinitely more watchable and as a result the atmosphere would improve.
 
NewburyOne said:
I totally agree, if we played with a faster tempo, pressed higher up the pitch and select players who are capable of beating a man (Grealish/ Sancho) I'm certain Kane would get more chances, it would be infinitely more watchable and as a result the atmosphere would improve.
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I'm imagining Kane trying to lead the press and can't stop laughing!
 
I confidently asserted yesterday that England would win 3-1 and really did believe it. Watching that performance last night and recalling the same lack of creativity in the Croatia game it is time to get my head out of the sand. Southgate does not have a clue how to get the best out of the very good squad he has. His lack of creativity in midfield seems criminal with the players at his disposal and his blindly relying on players out of form such as Stirling is naive. Kane has looked poor but the service to him has been poor. The side is to slow and ponderous and lacks ambition. Why on earth did he sub Foden when he is somebody who can change a game in a second. Continue like this and there is a very heavy defeat coming.
 
I sincerely hope this game proves to be the wake up call for utilising two defensive midfielders simultaneously. This could be England's Ipswich at home.

A team of England's quality should always be beating a team of Scotland's quality on paper, football is played on grass though and that is the biggest fixture ever for Scotland, playing England at a major tournament. They were putting everything on the line for a result, you only have to look at the tens of thousands of Scotsmen in London to see what that fixture means to em.

I can't make too many excuses for England's performance last night as regardless of that we should still be able to break them down, the quality should override their lack of which was fuelled by adrenaline. It has dashed my slight hopes for this tournament unfortunately, we looked devoid of any positive ideas - the optimist in me just hopes that turns Southgate's head in taking more risks, whether he has that in him I don't know.
 
In defence of Foden his best position is on the left which he plays for City.
Rashford, Grealish, Stirling all prefer that position also the only player who regularly starts on the right in Sancho.
 
Southgate is one of those who believes "football is a passing game."
Someone needs to tell him about 'running with the ball, beating your man, passion, dribbling, tackling, shooting, crossing, saves, spirit...' - it's worth a go Gareth, try it.
 
Wizzerboy said:
All these people saying it's a point and that we've now virtually qualified for the ko stages ask yourself this question.

Would the likes of Belgium, Italy, France, Portugal or even the Germans labour to a pathetic 0-0 draw against Scotland?

Those saying that it's easy to blame the manager, well, it was, because last night was all down to his inept ability of seeing the bloody obvious.

I'm still pissed off that it's been 25 years since we've had a manager that will let his expressive players go out and grab a game by the scruff of its neck.

Finally, when you get players in post match interviews saying their delighted with a point and a clean sheet after drawing with the Dog & Duck it's a sad state of affairs
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No they wouldn't is the simple answer, but then again it's not a "derby" game for them. I find the knee-jerk reactions on here quite amusing. Little has changed since before the Scotland game in terms of how far England will go in this tournament. True that Southgate has several selections options to mull over before the next game - not least his Captain, but there are a number of possible reasons for the "careful" approach last night with the main one being that England were particularly fearful of defeat. Fear because a) it would have negated the good start made against Croatia b) it was Scotland and defeat to them would have been unthinkable and c) the pitch conditions were tricky with all the rain and "brave" football may have caused mistakes. England v Scotland will never be a typical tournament fixture at International level - similar to the Monaco Grand Prix in Formula 1, so my advice to you is to take a chill pill and reserve judgement until later.
 
Murciaseasider said:
No they wouldn't is the simple answer, but then again it's not a "derby" game for them. I find the knee-jerk reactions on here quite amusing. Little has changed since before the Scotland game in terms of how far England will go in this tournament. True that Southgate has several selections options to mull over before the next game - not least his Captain, but there are a number of possible reasons for the "careful" approach last night with the main one being that England were particularly fearful of defeat. Fear because a) it would have negated the good start made against Croatia b) it was Scotland and defeat to them would have been unthinkable and c) the pitch conditions were tricky with all the rain and "brave" football may have caused mistakes. England v Scotland will never be a typical tournament fixture at International level - similar to the Monaco Grand Prix in Formula 1, so my advice to you is to take a chill pill and reserve judgement until later.
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Sensible.
 
Murciaseasider said:
No they wouldn't is the simple answer, but then again it's not a "derby" game for them. I find the knee-jerk reactions on here quite amusing. Little has changed since before the Scotland game in terms of how far England will go in this tournament. True that Southgate has several selections options to mull over before the next game - not least his Captain, but there are a number of possible reasons for the "careful" approach last night with the main one being that England were particularly fearful of defeat. Fear because a) it would have negated the good start made against Croatia b) it was Scotland and defeat to them would have been unthinkable and c) the pitch conditions were tricky with all the rain and "brave" football may have caused mistakes. England v Scotland will never be a typical tournament fixture at International level - similar to the Monaco Grand Prix in Formula 1, so my advice to you is to take a chill pill and reserve judgement until later.
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I'll consider taking "a chill pill" when the England squad stop jizzing over getting a 0-0 draw with a pot 4 team.

Seems that some are more passionate about their country's team than others.
TBH I wasn't too bothered going into this tournament but that inept performance all round just got to me.
As said before if they cant be bothered why should we?
Think I'll mow the lawn Tuesday 👍🏻
 
4 points from the first 2 games is OK. We didn't play well, if at all, but even then, if Stones' header is an inch to the left we win, and Sterling should have had a penalty when his foot was stood on. What was VAR doing?
 
Wizaard said:
4 points from the first 2 games is OK. We didn't play well, if at all, but even then, if Stones' header is an inch to the left we win, and Sterling should have had a penalty when his foot was stood on. What was VAR doing?
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Sterling was going nowhere & went down hoping for a pen, his foot was trodden on, but I think we'd all be pissed off if it had been given against us in similar circumstances. No pen for me.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I'll consider taking "a chill pill" when the England squad stop jizzing over getting a 0-0 draw with a pot 4 team.

Seems that some are more passionate about their country's team than others.
TBH I wasn't too bothered going into this tournament but that inept performance all round just got to me.
As said before if they cant be bothered why should we?
Think I'll mow the lawn Tuesday 👍🏻
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Entitled nonsense. As a Pool fan your attitude is shocking.
 
Just listened to Southgate's interview and it does kind of sum up his managerial approach. He basically said fans want you to go for it against Scotland but practically thinking a point puts you further to qualification so why risk losing that when that is the goal.

Whilst that is technically correct, I'm not a fan of such an incredibly safe approach. For two reasons I especially don't like that approach against Scotland, playing that safe in a derby game and playing that safe against a team of Scotland's calibre at Wembley in a major tournament is almost unforgivable for me.

I'm not quite at "Southgate's a bloody useless human being", but I'm just a bit disappointed that England now play with that mindset.
 
TangerinePeel said:
Just listened to Southgate's interview and it does kind of sum up his managerial approach. He basically said fans want you to go for it against Scotland but practically thinking a point puts you further to qualification so why risk losing that when that is the goal.

Whilst that is technically correct, I'm not a fan of such an incredibly safe approach. For two reasons I especially don't like that approach against Scotland, playing that safe in a derby game and playing that safe against a team of Scotland's calibre at Wembley in a major tournament is almost unforgivable for me.

I'm not quite at "Southgate's a bloody useless human being", but I'm just a bit disappointed that England now play with that mindset.
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Agreed 👍
 
Everything goes OTT with England. Southgate was inspirational at World cup now worst England manager ever. We were going to win Euros with our golden boys now we are totally inept. IMO Scotland Croatia performance was ok and Scotland match disappointing. That was partly because it was a one off and pressure not to lose was immense. We started Euros not favourites or even close. 4 or 5 teams with better form and prospects, France, Belgium, Italy, Spain possibly Germany. That is still the case.
 
Great draw that I was expecting Scotland to beat us with this side and southgates tactics .We are a embarrassment thought we played worse against Croatia who are also a poor side .It's sidesplitting when you hear people say we are one of the favourites.Kaneplaying just like I said he would can't be bothered explaining to the deluded that think he is world class
 
Not looking good for Tuesday. Need a result and we're on ITV, and as we know, ITV coverage is cursed. We win on the BBC.

Won't go down well with the BBC haters, but its a fact.🤣
 
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