EU to restrict vaccines to UK?

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Kip

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Reports tonight surfacing that the EU is to stop Covid vaccines from being exported to the UK. Apparently angry that delays have hit the AZ vaccine in Europe, Brussels have imposed tougher export controls on any vaccines leaving the bloc.

"Germany's health minister, Jens Spahn, said exports of Covid vaccines should be authorised at EU level before they could leave the bloc, meaning Brussels would have the final say over whether Pfizer jabs could cross the Channel. Mr Spahn said: "We, as the EU, must be able to know whether and what vaccines are being exported from the EU."

The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said: "If the EU were to take action unilaterally that restricted supplies of vaccine bought legally and fairly by the UK, it would poison economic relations for a generation. At such a critical moment, the world needs vaccine nationalism like a hole in the head."

Let's hope it's just sensationalist reporting but, if true, it's a worrying development from an increasingly nationalistic and inward-looking EU.
 
Kip said:
Reports tonight surfacing that the EU is to stop Covid vaccines from being exported to the UK. Apparently angry that delays have hit the AZ vaccine in Europe, Brussels have imposed tougher export controls on any vaccines leaving the bloc.

"Germany's health minister, Jens Spahn, said exports of Covid vaccines should be authorised at EU level before they could leave the bloc, meaning Brussels would have the final say over whether Pfizer jabs could cross the Channel. Mr Spahn said: "We, as the EU, must be able to know whether and what vaccines are being exported from the EU."

The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said: "If the EU were to take action unilaterally that restricted supplies of vaccine bought legally and fairly by the UK, it would poison economic relations for a generation. At such a critical moment, the world needs vaccine nationalism like a hole in the head."

Let's hope it's just sensationalist reporting but, if true, it's a worrying development from an increasingly nationalistic and inward-looking EU.
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Well you wouldn’t have guessed that would you? 🙄
 
Kip said:
Reports tonight surfacing that the EU is to stop Covid vaccines from being exported to the UK. Apparently angry that delays have hit the AZ vaccine in Europe, Brussels have imposed tougher export controls on any vaccines leaving the bloc.

"Germany's health minister, Jens Spahn, said exports of Covid vaccines should be authorised at EU level before they could leave the bloc, meaning Brussels would have the final say over whether Pfizer jabs could cross the Channel. Mr Spahn said: "We, as the EU, must be able to know whether and what vaccines are being exported from the EU."

The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said: "If the EU were to take action unilaterally that restricted supplies of vaccine bought legally and fairly by the UK, it would poison economic relations for a generation. At such a critical moment, the world needs vaccine nationalism like a hole in the head."

Let's hope it's just sensationalist reporting but, if true, it's a worrying development from an increasingly nationalistic and inward-looking EU.
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If this had been from trustworthy source then the op would have shared that.

As for an inward-looking EU there are poster on this thread, who would have this country like Japan in the 1600's.
 
Who needs Pfizer? It’s a shithouse vaccine anyway. -70’C or whatever. Good luck with that.
Hope they weren’t expecting any of the Oxford vaccine. @stickitupyourarseEU

We should charge them an inflated fortune for every dose.
 
Das Bild and Handelsblatt German newspapers have run stories that the OU/AZ vaccine only has an 8% efficacy for those over 65 years old, and this has p!ssed AZ off.
 
Another misleading op from a Brexiter.

The suggestion in the op is that the EU is targeting the U.K. specifically. It isn’t. Any restrictions (if they are imposed) would be targeted at all third party countries, not just Britain.

To put it in context, the reason for the restrictions would be because AZ have indicated they may default on their contractual obligations to deliver on orders to the EU.

And presumably, if they object to the EU imposing restrictions on the export of vaccines overseas, then the same people would be happy to see the U.K. divert some of its orders to other countries?
 
They haven't even approved the damned thing yet, appear to be in a complete mess with their vaccine rollout, insisting that all members stick together whilst their population suffers and riots occur in various countries, already have had Hungary break ranks and purchase the Russian vaccine so it can be ahead of the game but want to prevent '3rd countries' from receiving vaccines they have already purchased.

You couldn't make it up.

As Boris keeps saying, 'these are our friends in Europe!'

They make me sick. 🤢🤮
 
Curryman said:
They haven't even approved the damned thing yet, appear to be in a complete mess with their vaccine rollout, insisting that all members stick together whilst their population suffers and riots occur in various countries, already have had Hungary break ranks and purchase the Russian vaccine so it can be ahead of the game but want to prevent '3rd countries' from receiving vaccines they have already purchased.

You couldn't make it up.

As Boris keeps saying, 'these are our friends in Europe!'

They make me sick. 🤢🤮
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So you’d be happy to see the U.K. divert some of its orders to the EU and other countries then?

Very magnanimous of you I must say.
 
Kip said:
Reports tonight surfacing that the EU is to stop Covid vaccines from being exported to the UK. Apparently angry that delays have hit the AZ vaccine in Europe, Brussels have imposed tougher export controls on any vaccines leaving the bloc.

"Germany's health minister, Jens Spahn, said exports of Covid vaccines should be authorised at EU level before they could leave the bloc, meaning Brussels would have the final say over whether Pfizer jabs could cross the Channel. Mr Spahn said: "We, as the EU, must be able to know whether and what vaccines are being exported from the EU."

The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said: "If the EU were to take action unilaterally that restricted supplies of vaccine bought legally and fairly by the UK, it would poison economic relations for a generation. At such a critical moment, the world needs vaccine nationalism like a hole in the head."

Let's hope it's just sensationalist reporting but, if true, it's a worrying development from an increasingly nationalistic and inward-looking EU.
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Why have you suggested the EU is targeting just the U.K.? Bit misleading isn’t it?

And would you be happy to see U.K. orders diverted to the EU and other foreign countries?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So you’d be happy to see the U.K. divert some of its orders to other countries then?

Foreign aid and all that.
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Not with you Mex, this is not a government issue, it’s an independent manufacturer that is having production issues. As I understand it, we have committed to providing vaccine to other countries.
 
Matesrates said:
Not with you Mex, this is not a government issue, it’s an independent manufacturer that is having production issues. As I understand it, we have committed to providing vaccine to other countries.
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The EU is concerned that supplies it has ordered are being diverted to countries outside the EU.

If you think they are being unreasonable trying to stop that then you must also be happy for supplies ordered by the U.K. to be diverted overseas.

You can’t have it both ways.
 
I may be wrong but don t Astra Zeneca have their main UK manufacturing plant at Macclesfield in Cheshire and a large research place at Cambridge.Th e vaccine doesn t need exporting its already being made here.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
The EU is concerned that supplies it has ordered are being diverted to countries outside the EU.

If you think they are being unreasonable trying to stop that then you must also be happy for supplies ordered by the U.K. to be diverted overseas.

You can’t have it both ways.
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Why would Eu supplies be diverted outside the block? They have a contract to supply around 80 million doses. It doesn’t make sense for AZ to simply decide to send those somewhere else. Surely it’s a manufacturing issue.
 
Matesrates said:
Why would Eu supplies be diverted outside the block? They have a contract to supply around 80 million doses. It doesn’t make sense for AZ to simply decide to send those somewhere else. Surely it’s a manufacturing issue.
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I agree it is a manufacturing issue.

So why have a pop at the EU then?
 
Scaramanga said:
Why can’t you just say, poor form from the EU. People will die as a consequence if true.
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Oh stop flapping, Scara. ‘A consequence of Brexit’ doesn’t imply anything more than that

one sentence in the Daily Telegraph’s leader also caught my eye

‘’Stella Kyriakides, the EU health commissioner .... also demanded AZ produce a list of how many doses it had provided to each country, information that both the company and Downing Street have been trying to keep under wraps’

I have no idea if that last bit is true or not but, if it is true, it does beg the question, why?
 
It isn’t known what order arrangements were in place between AZ and the EU, the EU has not yet approved the vaccine and AZ may have said in the agreement that they need approval by such a date in order to meet the delivery schedule otherwise they will supply the vaccines to another customer. This is normal Procurement business and why should this be any different and yes the EU may have paid something upfront and that is possibly reflected in the reduced delivery schedule.
 
AndrewDuncanSmith said:
I may be wrong but don t Astra Zeneca have their main UK manufacturing plant at Macclesfield in Cheshire and a large research place at Cambridge.Th e vaccine doesn t need exporting its already being made here.
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Yes. And that’s the other thing that doesn’t make sense.

Doesn’t stop the usual dog whistle attacks on the EU though does it?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yes. And that’s the other thing that doesn’t make sense.

Doesn’t stop the usual dog whistle attacks on the EU though does it?
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Hardly a dog whistle attack, it is the EU, once again, showing itself up for what it is. A bunch of arrogant unelected officials controlling the population of member countries.

You are basically witnessing the roots of a communist state in my opinion.

Curryman lights blue touch paper with his views and retreats for his morning shower.
 
Kip said:
Reports tonight surfacing that the EU is to stop Covid vaccines from being exported to the UK. Apparently angry that delays have hit the AZ vaccine in Europe, Brussels have imposed tougher export controls on any vaccines leaving the bloc.

"Germany's health minister, Jens Spahn, said exports of Covid vaccines should be authorised at EU level before they could leave the bloc, meaning Brussels would have the final say over whether Pfizer jabs could cross the Channel. Mr Spahn said: "We, as the EU, must be able to know whether and what vaccines are being exported from the EU."

The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said: "If the EU were to take action unilaterally that restricted supplies of vaccine bought legally and fairly by the UK, it would poison economic relations for a generation. At such a critical moment, the world needs vaccine nationalism like a hole in the head."

Let's hope it's just sensationalist reporting but, if true, it's a worrying development from an increasingly nationalistic and inward-looking EU.
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The O/P sounding like it's finally dawned how there are benefits to be had from being in the EU. Shame it's 5 years too late.
tangerine_neil said:
Who needs Pfizer? It’s a shithouse vaccine anyway. -70’C or whatever. Good luck with that.
Hope they weren’t expecting any of the Oxford vaccine. @stickitupyourarseEU

We should charge them an inflated fortune for every dose.
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The Oxford / AZ vaccine is also being produced in the EU. The UK may be able to produce it here by the end of the year but right now it's dependent on the EU.
 
Recidivist3 said:
It’s front page in the Times and the Telegraph tomorrow. Another consequence of Brexit
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Given the AZ vacc may be in short supply, I assume those who voted leave will forgo any invitation to have it and leave it for those who voted remain.
Bit hippo otherwise.
 
fcblackpool said:
Given the AZ vacc may be in short supply, I assume those who voted leave will forgo any invitation to have it and leave it for those who voted remain.
Bit hippo otherwise.
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Or maybe those of us that voted to stay would wait another 6 months to be vaccinated, like our EU neighbours.?
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The O/P sounding like it's finally dawned how there are benefits to be had from being in the EU. Shame it's 5 years too late.

The Oxford / AZ vaccine is also being produced in the EU. The UK may be able to produce it here by the end of the year but right now it's dependent on the EU.
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If the EU tried to block a importing a vaccine that the UK government helped to subsidise, they would open themselves up to massive litigation and a generation of hatred.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Or maybe those of us that voted to stay would wait another 6 months to be vaccinated, like our EU neighbours.?
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Not at all. The UK approved it and had a strong voice in the EU. It would have been approved EU wide months back. And here's the science bit AZ could then have geared up to manufacture/contract out much earlier and we'd be much further on the rollout.
 
fcblackpool said:
Not at all. The UK approved it and had a strong voice in the EU. It would have been approved EU wide months back. And here's the science bit AZ could then have geared up to manufacture/contract out much earlier and we'd be much further on the rollout.
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So what are you saying?

It sounds like you are suggesting that the EU’s entire vaccination program has fallen flat on its face, due to us leaving?
 
Recidivist3 said:
Oh stop flapping, Scara. ‘A consequence of Brexit’ doesn’t imply anything more than that

one sentence in the Daily Telegraph’s leader also caught my eye

‘’Stella Kyriakides, the EU health commissioner .... also demanded AZ produce a list of how many doses it had provided to each country, information that both the company and Downing Street have been trying to keep under wraps’

I have no idea if that last bit is true or not but, if it is true, it does beg the question, why?
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So basically the suspicion is that the U.K. has snaffled more than its fair share.

Now some on here would no doubt say well done Johnson - that’s the role of any government. Protect its own citizens first. And that’s a very strong argument.

Except of course that principle doesn’t apply to the EU when it tries to protect its citizens. Then the frothing really begins.

Double standards anyone?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I agree it is a manufacturing issue.

So why have a pop at the EU then?
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Because they’re threatening to stop AZ supplies to the U.K. presumably to keep them for their own citizens, even though it’s absolutely nothing to do with us.

You and I order a tv, I’m told mine isn’t coming, so I’ll have yours.
 
Curryman said:
Hardly a dog whistle attack, it is the EU, once again, showing itself up for what it is. A bunch of arrogant unelected officials controlling the population of member countries.

You are basically witnessing the roots of a communist state in my opinion.

Curryman lights blue touch paper with his views and retreats for his morning shower.
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I’d suggest you sit down and have a nice cup of tea. At the moment you are in the middle of an amygdala hijacking and aren’t thinking straight.
 
Matesrates said:
Because they’re threatening to stop AZ supplies to the U.K. presumably to keep them for their own citizens, even though it’s absolutely nothing to do with us.

You and I order a tv, I’m told mine isn’t coming, so I’ll have yours.
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Yeah. Except it’s beginning to look like the U.K. has pinched the EU’s TV so now the EU wants ours. But we think we should have both.
 
I don't know if anybody on either side of this rather pointless storm in a tea cup has considered this, but it is in our interest for our neighbours to be vaccinated as quickly as possible (along with our own population). Why? Because a virus does not know about national boundaries and we still do a significant amount of trade with these countries which involves a lot of people coming and going.

I would guess that this story is an attempt by the EU to deflect attention from their own poor performance in vaccine roll out. The shortage is caused by manufacturing problems, it is the politicians have added a political dimension, eagerly lapped up by the media on both sides of the channel.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So what are you saying?

It sounds like you are suggesting that the EU’s entire vaccination program has fallen flat on its face, due to us leaving?
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No. Where did you get that from? In the EU we'd have pushed for approval and won. Rollout would be further down the line.

I don't blame the EU for wanting the vaccines they produce first. Our supply will fall as a result, which is bad. So why should someone who has brought this situation on by voting leave accept the AZ vaccine at the expense of a remain voter?
 
Have the EU passed the Astrazeneca jab now? They had not last week, and the fact that the UK have done a far better job on sourcing supply may well upset them but it is a legal contract between 2 parties unconnected to EU, so under any legal system they cannot delay shipments without consequences
 
fcblackpool said:
No. Where did you get that from? In the EU we'd have pushed for approval and won. Rollout would be further down the line.

I don't blame the EU for wanting the vaccines they produce first. Our supply will fall as a result, which is bad. So why should someone who has brought this situation on by voting leave accept the AZ vaccine at the expense of a remain voter?
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I’m afraid it all sounds a bit like your living in “if, but and maybe’ land. Imagining that British influence would have impacted vaccine till out, when our failure to influence positive change was a key reason for our exit.

You also appear to want your cake and to eat it. So you want to blame leave voters for the current situation, but then make up some imaginary situation to absolve remain voters for the EU vaccine clusterfuck...(which according to you would have all been avoided if Great Britain had been there to lead the EU by the nose).

I voted remain, but the more I take note of the EU and the power structures, the more glad I am that we chose to get out of the mess, before they bled us dry.
 
tangysider said:
Have the EU passed the Astrazeneca jab now? They had not last week, and the fact that the UK have done a far better job on sourcing supply may well upset them but it is a legal contract between 2 parties unconnected to EU, so under any legal system they cannot delay shipments without consequences
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Not until the 29th I believe
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m afraid it all sounds a bit like your living in “if, but and maybe’ land. Imagining that British influence would have impacted vaccine till out, when our failure to influence positive change was a key reason for our exit.

You also appear to want your cake and to eat it. So you want to blame leave voters for the current situation, but then make up some imaginary situation to absolve remain voters for the EU vaccine clusterfuck...(which according to you would have all been avoided if Great Britain had been there to lead the EU by the nose).

I voted remain, but the more I take note of the EU and the power structures, the more glad I am that we chose to get out of the mess, before they bled us dry.
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Also voted remain but will happily accept democratic decision unlike some on here.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yeah. Except it’s beginning to look like the U.K. has pinched the EU’s TV so now the EU wants ours. But we think we should have both.
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The TV is a colour one being made in the EU. The UK though chose to go back to watching in black and white but now regret that and want a colour one after all. The UK can't take back the controls either.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m afraid it all sounds a bit like your living in “if, but and maybe’ land. Imagining that British influence would have impacted vaccine till out, when our failure to influence positive change was a key reason for our exit.

You also appear to want your cake and to eat it. So you want to blame leave voters for the current situation, but then make up some imaginary situation to absolve remain voters for the EU vaccine clusterfuck...(which according to you would have all been avoided if Great Britain had been there to lead the EU by the nose).

I voted remain, but the more I take note of the EU and the power structures, the more glad I am that we chose to get out of the mess, before they bled us dry.
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From the last para it sounds like you ticked the wrong box.

Would the UK have had more influence on the AZ approval from within the EU (which doesn't mean 'lead them by the nose')? Yes or No

If the EU wins the debate they will have with itself, will the supply to the UK of AZ decrease? Yes or no.

If there is limited supply is it fair that someone who voted leave take the last vaccine ahead of someone who wanted to remain? Clue, one helped create the problem, the other didn't.
 
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