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Normoss_Rambler

Normoss_Rambler

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Sky News:

BREAKING: Liverpool and Manchester United among top clubs in talks over bombshell plot to join new FIFA-backed 'European Premier League'

No surprise there, then!
 
Bye bye. Last week's transparent effort is now even clearer that it gives them an excuse to go off as "The EFL won't reform".

I'd be genuinely delighted if they split off. Away games in Baku will quickly lose their lustre. It will be sold as the likes of PSG and Barcelona but the reality will see mega wealthy clubs in Eastern Europe and Russia added to the mix. Not much fun for the fans.
 
Well I ceratinly will not be subscribing to it and I bet their supporter associstions will be unhappy if this means they leave the PL?
 
"Sources said the result of the new format, if it gets off the ground, would be to give England's wealthiest clubs greater leverage in future negotiations with the Premier League and with broadcasters and sponsors.

They added that the possibility of outright club defections from domestic leagues was not on the new tournament's "short-term agenda"."

Having their cake...👀
 
It's coming whether we like it or not. It's been on the agenda for a good while.
It'll be the end of domestic football as we know it. And all down to greed.
 
It will also become increasingly sold as an entertainment rather than as a sport. All games will be PPV and the playing times will only be set to ensure maximum TV audiences.
 
The supporters will be the ones that suffer.

Can you imagine having a Tuesday night away game in Istanbul or the Ukraine every other week?
 
I read this as it replacing the champions league rather than domestic leagues (for now, obviously).

They will need massive squads however to deal with 38 domestic and maybe 30 European league games. Suppose dropping out the Carabao & FA Cups makes some space.

For supporters with plenty of money and time off work it would be great, assuming we are able to freely travel in the near future. However a guy I used to work with who goes to watch Leeds rugby league summed this sort of thing up. He went to Catalans away once, and was planning to go to Toronto away once, but once you have been that novelty soon wears off.
 
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Realistically, I don't see how a new 18 team league can only replace the Champions League?

If they decided to do it, their domestic leagues should give them no choice and just kick them out and let the rest of us crack on with it. As Wiz says, it will soon get boring playing the same teams after the initial novelty has worn off.
 
SSN have said that the FSA have issued a statement basically saying that they think fans of the big five/six will turn their back on the idea and it won't have a happy ending. I hope they are right.
 
20togo said:
SSN have said that the FSA have issued a statement basically saying that they think fans of the big five/six will turn their back on the idea and it won't have a happy ending. I hope they are right.
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Let's hope they do. But there will be so much prize money and ppv money on offer, the fans will become almost irrelevant. Huge money will be made on selling the tv rights to Asia and other places. Armchair ppv subscribers will be the new'fans' 😔
 
Just the tip of the iceberg me thinks (bye bye & good riddance )to any English club that buys into this ,football is for society not multi millionaires (maybe we should have a rich owners league), wonder what nobbers would think ! Please please can we join uncle trev please 😄.
 
Thought we had left Europe!

Makes you laugh doesn’t it, especially United who are struggling to compete at the top of the Premier League at the moment, what if they become the whipping boys of the Euro League what will they fo then, take their ball home and join the Scottish Prem.

Big fish in a little pool enjoyment for these clubs will be over for most, then they will see what its like for most other clubs in their current domestic leagues. Its just going to end up with National Teams playing in a week in week out League.

Then, one day a team from Jupiter arrives....
 
Deeply sad development but it was always going to happen once the very wealthy took control over the so called top clubs. The game is losing its soul, it is no longer about the ordinary football fan whom cares deeply about their club and the game, it is about increased wealth and control for the few. These are not fans. If clubs such as Bury continue to go under why would many not walk away from football and pay per view tv. We do not all love Chelsea and Liverpool.
 
Can you imagine the size of the squads they will need, Pep has a fit if he has to play twice in a week and makes 6 changes. Some players will be on £200,000 a week and probably only play half a dozen games a season. Absolute garbage.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Good riddance. Now can we get back to having a proper, fair, evenly distributed competition again without them?
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madatta said:
Spot on BHOK.
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I'm totally against the formation of a European Super League but i think your comment is pretty ill thought out. Take away the big six and you take away billions in finance. The tv companies won't put remotely anywhere near the volume of money that they do now. To them what's left will be considered a second rate product. And that has an impact all the way down thru the rest of the PL and the EFL clubs. Where's the money gonna come from to pay all the players? Players at teams like Wolves, Everton, Villa etc who'll currently be on 100k per week how can the clubs pay them? And that has a massive knock on effect all the way down. Clubs simply won't be able to pay players and perhaps even more clubs could go to the wall.
 
You can see why they wanted a smaller PL and scrapping cup competitions to give them time for this. I assume this would replace the champions league, except thwt it wouls be a closed competition which excludes smaller countries and clubs. If they want to do this, then fine, but theycshould be excluded from the domestic leagues
 
20togo said:
I'm totally against the formation of a European Super League but i think your comment is pretty ill thought out. Take away the big six and you take away billions in finance. The tv companies won't put remotely anywhere near the volume of money that they do now. To them what's left will be considered a second rate product. And that has an impact all the way down thru the rest of the PL and the EFL clubs. Where's the money gonna come from to pay all the players? Players at teams like Wolves, Everton, Villa etc who'll currently be on 100k per week how can the clubs pay them? And that has a massive knock on effect all the way down. Clubs simply won't be able to pay players and perhaps even more clubs could go to the wall.
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I'm also totally against a European Super League. Take away the so called Big 6 and what's left of the EPL will be very much like the Scottish Premier League, but without the big two of Rangers and Celtic. In other words a second rate league. And that in turn will have an adverse affect on all the lower leagues.
 
bfcpete said:
You can see why they wanted a smaller PL and scrapping cup competitions to give them time for this. I assume this would replace the champions league, except thwt it wouls be a closed competition which excludes smaller countries and clubs. If they want to do this, then fine, but theycshould be excluded from the domestic leagues
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I agree, problem is if that happens what happens to the sky and BT monies, can’t see there being much interest in the likes of WBA v Burnley and a Saturday tea time. ( apologies if some of you have a second team) but it might make it a more even playing field.
 
bfcpete said:
You can see why they wanted a smaller PL and scrapping cup competitions to give them time for this. I assume this would replace the champions league, except thwt it wouls be a closed competition which excludes smaller countries and clubs. If they want to do this, then fine, but theycshould be excluded from the domestic leagues
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Don't know if you are aware but they wanted to bring this in in 2022 but all leagues and clubs are locked in to the Champions League UNTIL 2024.
 
20togo said:
I'm totally against the formation of a European Super League but i think your comment is pretty ill thought out. Take away the big six and you take away billions in finance. The tv companies won't put remotely anywhere near the volume of money that they do now. To them what's left will be considered a second rate product. And that has an impact all the way down thru the rest of the PL and the EFL clubs. Where's the money gonna come from to pay all the players? Players at teams like Wolves, Everton, Villa etc who'll currently be on 100k per week how can the clubs pay them? And that has a massive knock on effect all the way down. Clubs simply won't be able to pay players and perhaps even more clubs could go to the wall.
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I'n not interested in FINANCE. I am interested in football as a COMPETITION. You need to see past the ££££££'s.
 
In my opinion 20togo is spot on and that is deeply worrying for everybody else except the top few clubs. Many clubs including our own could go to the wall.
 
I am not interested in clubs paying players obscene amounts of money each week because they have pre-arranged money distribution that is so far in their favour that there is no competition between teams in their league year after year. Getting rid of the greedy sods once and for all will help resolve this situation and be a chance to reset things for the rest of the clubs all over the country to get back to enjoying football in a true and fair competition again. The remaining clubs in the new world will be able to go back to paying less obscene wages.
 
Could this simply be a 'leak' to gain leverage when the big boys negotiate the next premier league proposals?
I dont think it will happen certainly not in the format suggested.

If it did i hope its just Man U & Liverpool and the rest stay in the Prem and stick 2 fingers up at it.
Of course that wont happen as they will need at least 4 of the big 6 English clubs or imho the whole thing is simply a non starter.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I am not interested in clubs paying players obscene amounts of money each week because they have pre-arranged money distribution that is so far in their favour that there is no competition between teams in their league year after year. Getting rid of the greedy sods once and for all will help resolve this situation and be a chance to reset things for the rest of the clubs all over the country to get back to enjoying football in a true and fair competition again. The remaining clubs in the new world will be able to go back to paying less obscene wages.
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You've lost the plot and just like on the the other thread you deliberately miss the point. How many "rest of the clubs" are there gonna be? How many "remaining" clubs are there gonna be? How many clubs could be lost because of the implications of this?
 
This isn't "new" - it's a re-hash of an idea that has been kicking around and was first championed by Juventus. It obviously has more currency now because of the current controversy over PBP.

The future of this, to some extent, lies in the hands of the real supporters of the clubs involved - by which I mean the people who actually go to watch them in person. If they decide to turn their backs on this AND give up their TV subscriptions the whole enterprise might die on its arse. let's face it, the rest of the TV audience are more interested in watching an alternative to East Enders than they are in the beautiful game. Their emotional investment in the club they purport to follow is minimal, and the only intrinsic "worth" they have in the boardrooms of these clubs is that of their money.

If I were the FA I think I would give the clubs concerned an ultimatum. You play in the new European set up, or you play in England, but you can't do both. If you are Liverpool, you can kiss goodbye to the Merseyside Derby. If you are Manchester United, your historic rivalry with Leeds is over. If either Arsenal or Tottenham don't make it into the gilded cage, then they will never play each other again. If you are Chelsea, nobody will actually miss you. And you justify your stance because, having looked at the likely demands of the new set up, you are determined to protect the "integrity of your competition". That has a ring to it....
 
20togo said:
You've lost the plot and just like on the the other thread you deliberately miss the point. How many "rest of the clubs" are there gonna be? How many "remaining" clubs are there gonna be? How many clubs could be lost because of the implications of this?
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Which clubs are you concerned will go bust and which players will be out of work? Most clubs have billionaire owners at that level anyway as you have pointed out on other threads and I am sure no player currently on a Premier League wage will need any sympathy if they have to take a wage cut in future.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Which clubs are you concerned will go bust and which players will be out of work? Most clubs have billionaire owners at that level anyway as you have pointed out on other threads and I am sure no player currently on a Premier League wage will need any sympathy if they have to take a wage cut in future.
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Jeez, you really have lost the plot. Read my posts. I'm not just talking about the PL, I'm talking about the whole of the EFL. I'm not sure there's too many billionaire owners in the lower leagues.
 
20togo said:
Jeez, you really have lost the plot. Read my posts. I'm not just talking about the PL, I'm talking about the whole of the EFL. I'm not sure there's too many billionaire owners in the lower leagues.
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I have some great memories of our season in the Prem. One of the best was seeing us win at Anfield whilst sat with my Liverpool supporting cousins amongst Liverpool fans.
What I was most looking forward to that season was seeing us play the likes of Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal etc.
So now if Blackpool were to be on the brink of getting back to the Prem, and it was a Prem without those big clubs, would anyone be as excited looking forward to playing the likes of West Brom, Fulham, Southampton etc? With all due respect to those clubs.
Would it take some of the gloss off? Or the chance of drawing one of the big clubs in the League or FA Cup. That would be gone as well.
 
I wonder how the supporters of - for example - Southampton feel about the prospect of playing in a League competition where even if they finish in one of the top places they are denied entry to the self-selecting European Cup? I'm sure I read somewhere that when this was first mooted, the rules of entry were such that Leicester wouldn't have been allowed in when they won the League here.

There isn't much self-awareness or respect for other clubs in England among these clubs, is there? No sense of history either. You would have thought that the first club to win the FA Cup as a non-League club (Tottenham) would have more respect for the concept of upward mobility. You might have thought that Manchester United had more respect for the idea of solidarity, given that in 1958 rival clubs queued up to lend them players** when they were struck down by tragedy. And you might have thought that Arsenal would have had a bit more humility, given that they were last promoted into the top league under a cloud and could be said to be there under false pretences.

As I said, the FA are in a position where up to six of the clubs in its flagship competition merely see it as a useful base from which to channel its efforts into other things, whilst hiving off as much money for themselves as they can. They want to sit at the top of that competition, while denying it a full contribution to its maintenance and its grass-roots development. I'd give serious thought to throwing them out if they are a party to this.

** led by ourselves, actually, lending them possibly our BEST player.
 
20togo said:
Jeez, you really have lost the plot. Read my posts. I'm not just talking about the PL, I'm talking about the whole of the EFL. I'm not sure there's too many billionaire owners in the lower leagues.
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The Football League is already a better competition than the Premier League which has killed off any resemblance of competition. It would put the Football League in an even stronger position if clubs weren't chasing an impossible carrot caused by the current greed at the top.
 
20togo said:
Got ya. You couldn't care less about clubs going to the wall and loads of players not having a job.
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It's not like Leagues 1 and 2 are dependent on TV money. If they go to the wall it won't be for the lack of a TV deal.
 
Wizaard said:
Bye bye. Last week's transparent effort is now even clearer that it gives them an excuse to go off as "The EFL won't reform".

I'd be genuinely delighted if they split off. Away games in Baku will quickly lose their lustre. It will be sold as the likes of PSG and Barcelona but the reality will see mega wealthy clubs in Eastern Europe and Russia added to the mix. Not much fun for the fans.
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We can also blame Basel which does seem a popular thing to do on here 😀
 
not a surprise - lockdown has given them an insight into the ppv market - another thing coming will be franchise teams with silly names and no promotion or relegation.... add VAR into the mix and you can spin a 90min game into 100 - 110 mins with quick adds while waiting for decsions... more red cars, goals , less tackling and more penalities for sure... to make games more ´´exciting´´ - people will still go to games but it il be a based on the US model of NBA NFL
 
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