European Super League Announcement

When do you think the Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal ‘franchise’s’ will move to America ? The Chelsea franchise to Russia and the Man City one to Abu Dhabi ??? - not long I think

* If similar has been posted before - Sorry but I am not reading 350 posts to check !
 
Why are spurs in it? Is it to do with their stadium, I cant see any other reason. It also says a lot about the English game when 6 of our clubs are involved
 
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If he did I would love him forever and speak only kind words about him for the rest of my life and never call the scruffy git Wurzel Kloppidge ever again 👍
As Lytham said previously Klopp was thrown under a bus by Liverpool’s owners
It was obvious he was going to be asked about this in the pre match interview tonight.
It shouldn’t be up to him to try and explain it. It should be the owners. And those spineless bastards are nowhere to be seen
At least Klopp confirmed he wasn’t aware of it until today and he was against it
I wonder what the owners thought about their manager saying that?
When do you think the Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal ‘franchise’s’ will move to America ? The Chelsea franchise to Russia and the Man City one to Abu Dhabi ??? - not long I think

* If similar has been posted before - Sorry but I am not reading 350 posts to check !
If this goes ahead I think you’ll regularly see Man Utd v Liverpool in America and Juventus v Man City in the middle east
Fcuk the true fans back in England.
I noticed on the news they interviewed a guy called Kevin Wang from China who is an Inter Milan ‘fan’
No surprise that Mr Wang was in favour of the ESL idea.
That’s what this is aimed at. All those millions of armchair fans in Asia and all their millions in subscriptions
 
As Lytham said previously Klopp was thrown under a bus by Liverpool’s owners
It was obvious he was going to be asked about this in the pre match interview tonight.
It shouldn’t be up to him to try and explain it. It should be the owners. And those spineless bastards are nowhere to be seen
At least Klopp confirmed he wasn’t aware of it until today and he was against it
I wonder what the owners thought about their manager saying that?

If this goes ahead I think you’ll regularly see Man Utd v Liverpool in America and Juventus v Man City in the middle east
Fcuk the true fans back in England.
I noticed on the news they interviewed a guy called Kevin Wang from China who is an Inter Milan ‘fan’
No surprise that Mr Wang was in favour of the ESL idea.
That’s what this is aimed at. All those millions of armchair fans in Asia and all their millions in subscriptions
It’s pure shite
 
According to News at Ten this looks like it is headed for the Law Courts. A restraint of trade action brought by the big clubs against any attempt to exclude them from their home leagues I think they said.
 
The question is, who's going to Referee these fixtures? Because there's no chance UEFA will allow their pool of refs to associate themselves with this, FIFA might even exclude refs who officiate from world cups. So maybe that Romanian bloke, Octavian?
 
The question is, who's going to Referee these fixtures? Because there's no chance UEFA will allow their pool of refs to associate themselves with this, FIFA might even exclude refs who officiate from world cups. So maybe that Romanian bloke, Octavian?
Didnt Clattenberg go and set up a refereeing association somewhere? Money talks and it'll get plenty of referees and linesman imo
What about the restraint of trade imposed on those that can't get into the ESL on sporting merit? It works both ways
Theres an almost restraint of trade trying to get into the PL where a number of clubs have almost bankrupted themselves into trying to do that, in fact in any other business wouldn't survive in another situation.
If say UEFA's new Champions League been accepted then it would have been harder for clubs to qualify for the competition, where by and large its the same teams every season anyway.

In some ways this is an unwelcome distraction from the very important issues that face Championship and lower league clubs anyway, because the TV money (divisional and consolidarity payments) have been artificially keeping clubs afloat. The Government have now stepped in and made (quite a good statement) in Parliament, but where were they when points deductions were being handed out, and clubs crashing out of the divisions and leagues in the lead up to this?
 
This ESL piracy is an American style franchise operation. It’s being promoted by the Yank owners in England who are up to their ears in debt. Kroenke at Arsenal. Most of ManU’s annual profits goes on servicing the huge debts dumped on the club by the Glazers, who pay themselves the little that’s left in dividends (and forget squad investment). Fenway (Boston bunch who own LFC) are also dependent on investment banks like JP Morgan for loans. And Spurs have a billion pound new stadium to pay for.

Similarly the Spanish clubs, Madrid and Barça are both many hundreds of millions of euros in debt and could not clear those debts in many years (Barça alone owe €1 Billion). Which is why Florentino Perez (President of RM) is a ringleader in this. The Covid loss of income has also frightened them that they are on an irreversible slide. And the Italian clubs have been second class for almost two decades as I don’t think the Italian public are as daft as our Sky subscribers. I can’t imagine Fiat is awash with cash, AC Milan is now owned by a Yank hedge fund and Inter is majority-owned by the Chinese but on the point of financial collapse.

But why Man City and Chelsea owners have taken part is a bit of a mystery. These clubs are bankrolled by petrodollar billionaires who have so much spare cash they can’t spend it all. Though Abramovich has taken umbrage since the UK government would not renew his UK residence visa.

Similarly, PSG owned by the petrodollar Qataris don’t need the guaranteed income that a closed league franchise system would provide and so has declined. Mind you, the Qataris don’t want to upset FIFA just yet with the 2022 WC on the horizon. They might join later if it’s a goer.

Were City and Chelsea just worried they would be left behind and had to appear as “one of the big boys”? If so, that’s where the cracks might appear. Not that I approve of or like any of their owners. And neither owners are known for their humility.
 
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I would not be surprised if the ESL is structured similar to the NFL. The 12 split into 4 groups of 3 with a further 6 to 8 teams qualifying via the domestic leagues of Germany, France, Portugal and the Netherlands to give 4 groups of 4 or 4 groups of 5. This would keep the season open for longer with wild card games and play offs.
 
Does anyone think this is a potential opportunity for the English leagues, including the top flight, to be restructured that allows the Premier League to function with 18 teams, like the European top divisions, and we can revert to 22 in the Championship, 22 in League One and stay at 24 in League Two?
 
Does anyone think this is a potential opportunity for the English leagues, including the top flight, to be restructured that allows the Premier League to function with 18 teams, like the European top divisions, and we can revert to 22 in the Championship, 22 in League One and stay at 24 in League Two?
Well it looks like something will have to change, because it seems this is going ahead, whether fans like it or not. Legal challenges I fear will be ongoing for some time.
 
It’s about money and it’ll come down to money in the end. They’re proposing to give £400 million to European leagues, which is more than they currently get. That’s their starting point which will be negotiated.

As far as getting thrown out of their leagues goes, they must be pretty certain that won’t happen, their legal teams will have poured over it thoroughly.

The answer of course, is for uefa to make the champions league, without those clubs, more successful.
 
I guess we’ll be seeing American football style names for these clubs as well, so let’s start with the Super League Cowboys, I think that’s appropriate. Liverpool Leper’s, Real Madrid Mercenaries.

I’ll leave the rest to you guys.
 
As posted on the GN thread


Ironically it’s the ‘ legacy fans ‘ of the so called big 6 I feel sorry for
Their owners have hijacked their clubs and ultimately will take them where they feel they can make the most money
A US style franchise that in a couple of years might work better for them if they play in one of those fancy new stadiums they are building in Qatar to accommodate the Asian TV market or LA for the US fans Then it will be we only need one London / NW Eng team - let’s move two to the Far East and two to the US
 
As posted on the GN thread


Ironically it’s the ‘ legacy fans ‘ of the so called big 6 I feel sorry for
Their owners have hijacked their clubs and ultimately will take them where they feel they can make the most money
A US style franchise that in a couple of years might work better for them if they play in one of those fancy new stadiums they are building in Qatar to accommodate the Asian TV market or LA for the US fans Then it will be we only need one London / NW Eng team - let’s move two to the Far East and two to the US
I think that’s the reality, these clubs have investigated all the possible legal challenges to their plans, and have obviously concluded that they can and will go ahead regardless of the feelings of fans.

Let’s be clear about it, the big clubs have had little regard for fans for some time now. Fans have constantly complained about greedy owners and this is just another step.
 
I don’t think you can stop them either

The ‘ best outcome ‘ is they leave whether voluntarily or not however they won’t want to do that and they’ll try to bully the authorities through the courts
 
I would not be surprised if the ESL is structured similar to the NFL. The 12 split into 4 groups of 3 with a further 6 to 8 teams qualifying via the domestic leagues of Germany, France, Portugal and the Netherlands to give 4 groups of 4 or 4 groups of 5. This would keep the season open for longer with wild card games and play offs.
I think there’s talk of two groups of 10. I’m not sure how the “wild cards” would be chosen.
 
I don’t think you can stop them either

The ‘ best outcome ‘ is they leave whether voluntarily or not however they won’t want to do that and they’ll try to bully the authorities through the courts
The only problem with kicking them out of the domestic leagues is that, once again, you’re punishing the fans.

The best outcome would actually be legislation so we can have genuine regulation with teeth across all of football. And protect fans and clubs from rogue owners.

Edit to add. And in the meantime NAPM and ALL fans boycott any sponsors of the so called Super League.
 
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Clearly the players don’t want it either, but the cynic in me says they are just towing the line of public opinion. I’m sure when they are all offered massive pay rises it may change their view point.
 
If the Premier League/FA can't legally kick them out what's to stop them closing it down, starting again and simply not inviting the traitors?
 
Boris Johnson is having a meeting with the FA, FL, and various fans groups today.
Does anybody know if a representative from BST has been invited?

EDIT---- I only ask because if any fan group could eloquently and forcefully put their point across following the turmoil of The Oyston family, it is BST, the best in the business.
 
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Boris Johnson is having a meeting with the FA, FL, and various fans groups today.
Does anybody know if a representative from BST has been invited?

EDIT---- I only ask because if any fan group could eloquently and forcefully put their point across following the turmoil of The Oyston family, it is BST, the best in the business.
Just BST? We have numerous other fans groups at BFC who will no doubt want to get involved 🤣🤣
 
When fans are allowed back in to stadiums, those fans of these clubs, should show their disgust by giving their money to other clubs. Those in London, go to Charlton, Palace, Brentford etc., those in Liverpool to Tranmere, Manchester fans to Stockport, Bury, Rochdale, Oldham etc.

That would send a message.
 
Sorry that I've come to the thread late on and I haven't read all the posts but I've been thinking about this.......

Most are saying it's the greedy owners fault.
Most are saying that the fans should take control.
Some are saying that UEFA and government should do something about it.

Here's the thing, if every PLAYER refused to play in these games then it'd be a total non starter.
Unfortunately these players are just as greedy as the owners and therein lies the problem.
 
Sorry that I've come to the thread late on and I haven't read all the posts but I've been thinking about this.......

Most are saying it's the greedy owners fault.
Most are saying that the fans should take control.
Some are saying that UEFA and government should do something about it.

Here's the thing, if every PLAYER refused to play in these games then it'd be a total non starter.
Unfortunately these players are just as greedy as the owners and therein lies the problem.
I’ve just posted on the GN thread, saying any player who’s against it should hand in a transfer request, but I like your idea too.
I think some will, let’s see who stand up to be counted.
 
Boris Johnson is having a meeting with the FA, FL, and various fans groups today.
Does anybody know if a representative from BST has been invited?

EDIT---- I only ask because if any fan group could eloquently and forcefully put their point across following the turmoil of The Oyston family, it is BST, the best in the business.
There’s also talk of a fans led review chaired by Tracey Crouch. I don’t know but imagine the FSA will be represented.
 
It is simple for those of us who do not support these clubs to take a very hard line, boot 'em out, ban the players and managers, etc.

I have an uncle who was City ST holder till he got priced out, still his team, though.

Have worked with a fair few Liverpool ST holders, it's a religion to them

Man U was the club of choice for many when I was at school, many still following.

If this goes ahead and we kick them out, all those above have lost their club, lost a part of their lives, due to some Johnny Foreigner buying something that is way more complex than land and people. I am sick of hearing about Franchise models, non of those poxy American teams have the history these teams have, the local connections through many generations.

It has to be stopped, not allowed to leave. Nationalise the clubs, make them Grade 2 listed, or whatever needs to be done.

Capitalism red in tooth and claw has no place in competitive sport.
 
The question is, who's going to Referee these fixtures? Because there's no chance UEFA will allow their pool of refs to associate themselves with this, FIFA might even exclude refs who officiate from world cups. So maybe that Romanian bloke, Octavian?
Sounds like a job for Lee Mason. Surely he's close to retirement anyway, so one last payday. He'd jump at the chance.
 
It is simple for those of us who do not support these clubs to take a very hard line, boot 'em out, ban the players and managers, etc.

I have an uncle who was City ST holder till he got priced out, still his team, though.

Have worked with a fair few Liverpool ST holders, it's a religion to them

Man U was the club of choice for many when I was at school, many still following.

If this goes ahead and we kick them out, all those above have lost their club, lost a part of their lives, due to some Johnny Foreigner buying something that is way more complex than land and people. I am sick of hearing about Franchise models, non of those poxy American teams have the history these teams have, the local connections through many generations.

It has to be stopped, not allowed to leave. Nationalise the clubs, make them Grade 2 listed, or whatever needs to be done.

Capitalism red in tooth and claw has no place in competitive sport.
Not going to happen with the current Government. They'll wring their hands and do nothing.

For once, it might have been better under Corbyn 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Sorry that I've come to the thread late on and I haven't read all the posts but I've been thinking about this.......

Most are saying it's the greedy owners fault.
Most are saying that the fans should take control.
Some are saying that UEFA and government should do something about it.

Here's the thing, if every PLAYER refused to play in these games then it'd be a total non starter.
Unfortunately these players are just as greedy as the owners and therein lies the problem.
I imagine their contracts require them to play in any and all competitions the club enters into, so they probably don’t have a choice. If that’s not the case, then fair enough, we’ll see who’s got the bottle.
 
Didnt Clattenberg go and set up a refereeing association somewhere? Money talks and it'll get plenty of referees and linesman imo

Theres an almost restraint of trade trying to get into the PL where a number of clubs have almost bankrupted themselves into trying to do that, in fact in any other business wouldn't survive in another situation.
If say UEFA's new Champions League been accepted then it would have been harder for clubs to qualify for the competition, where by and large its the same teams every season anyway.

In some ways this is an unwelcome distraction from the very important issues that face Championship and lower league clubs anyway, because the TV money (divisional and consolidarity payments) have been artificially keeping clubs afloat. The Government have now stepped in and made (quite a good statement) in Parliament, but where were they when points deductions were being handed out, and clubs crashing out of the divisions and leagues in the lead up to this?
I am aware of someone that has already referred the ESL proposals to the Competition and Markets Authority for anti competitive behaviour. People in the EU need to do that as well. If the EU is good at one thing it is creating red tape and legal challenges for their so called 'level playing field' (quite an appropriate phrase that!)
 
Boris Johnson is having a meeting with the FA, FL, and various fans groups today.
Does anybody know if a representative from BST has been invited?

EDIT---- I only ask because if any fan group could eloquently and forcefully put their point across following the turmoil of The Oyston family, it is BST, the best in the business.
It might be an idea to keep Boris Johnson as far away from this as possible.
 
Pinged off a message to a Chelsea mate and a Man City mate telling them I'll spring for a Pool shirt for them if they want to consider switching. A bit in jest but let's see. :)
 
I am aware of someone that has already referred the ESL proposals to the Competition and Markets Authority for anti competitive behaviour. People in the EU need to do that as well. If the EU is good at one thing it is creating red tape and legal challenges for their so called 'level playing field' (quite an appropriate phrase that!)
The Competition and Markets Authority has confirmed they are looking at this. The Chair of the Media and Sports Committee has said that one option could be to limit work visas for such a proposal
 
If the Premier League/FA can't legally kick them out what's to stop them closing it down, starting again and simply not inviting the traitors?
Because you could run the very real risk of bankrupting the other 14 teams through no fault of their own.
Even if the 'English Six' were allowed to put a side in The Premiership as well as the European League, the main bulk of big money would find it's way to The European League and The Premiership would be scratting round for peanuts, of which the 'English Six' would still take a portion of, still bankrupting the other 14 clubs.
 
I think the cause of all this is obvious. It's not owners, agents, Asian fan markets etc. This entire enterprise is the brainchild of Preston North End Football Club.

Who have once again come to the fore as visionary leaders in the game, leaving other, less successful clubs trailing in their wake. They've realised where they are in their PMT cycle (Playoffs Missed Tension), and that in the next 2-3 years they're due to sod it all up again.

Knowing that continuing to count the attempts will soon mean taking shoes and socks off as well, they've hit on the ESL idea. And like a JR Ewing plan they've looked ahead, seen that will mean 6 clubs leaving and therefore 6 to replace them. PNE soar back into form, claim next season's 6th place, automatically claiming their rightful place among football's elite.
 
I think the cause of all this is obvious. It's not owners, agents, Asian fan markets etc. This entire enterprise is the brainchild of Preston North End Football Club.

Who have once again come to the fore as visionary leaders in the game, leaving other, less successful clubs trailing in their wake. They've realised where they are in their PMT cycle (Playoffs Missed Tension), and that in the next 2-3 years they're due to sod it all up again.

Knowing that continuing to count the attempts will soon mean taking shoes and socks off as well, they've hit on the ESL idea. And like a JR Ewing plan they've looked ahead, seen that will mean 6 clubs leaving and therefore 6 to replace them. PNE soar back into form, claim next season's 6th place, automatically claiming their rightful place among football's elite.
Bold of you to assume they'd finish 6th.

The masterplan would be over when they finish in their usual 7th place!
 
Read this Telegraph article quoting Florentine Perez. (Switch off JavaScript to bypass the paywall). He’s the real problem. This guy has spent almost 20 years promoting the Galacticos idea at Madrid and now wonders why RM are hundreds of millions in debt. He even has the cheek to propose 60 minute matches, presumably 4 x 15 minute quarters to allow for more advertising, NFL style. This guy, along with the Yank franchise owners, is the real cancer in football that needs cutting out. Reform of UEFA/FIFA will follow. And restrictions on internet gambling.
 
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