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basilrobbie

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After the sabre-rattling by FIFA and others yesterday, here is some helpful context.

The thing that interests me is that the six automatic English clubs that are being asked to break away are being offered a one off dividend of around £310m and then maybe in excess of £200m per year. That second number sounds a lot, but for two or three of them is probably only a modest improvement on what they have now.

It has to be offset against the money they would have earned had they stayed, of course. I suppose that the key question here is whether the dividend, plus the prospect of never being penalised for failing, is worth the cultural price that the club and - more to the point - its fan base pay for walking way from the competitions that made them famous and marketable in the first place. It's certainly got nothing to do with winning on merit, or triumphing over historical rivals, or what supporters might want.

The real challenge for the FSA and others, I guess, is convincing the Sky subscription buying "fan" that they are both part of the problem and part of the solution. Because without the TV revenue, this falls flat on its arse. Without fans getting behind it by turning up in large numbers in every week, it might fall flat on its arse anyway, especially when fans of the likes of (say) Liverpool realise that they have traded historical enmities with clubs like Everton and Leeds for the dubious pleasure of stuffing Benfica every season.

 
Sadly the supporters are a major part of the problem, they will always want to go and want to watch it On tv. I suspect the clubs involved may not care too much what a section of the support base think as long as they are making lots of money. IMO it’s only a matter of time before the whole pyramid is given a huge shake up.
 
Sadly the supporters are a major part of the problem, they will always want to go and want to watch it On tv. I suspect the clubs involved may not care too much what a section of the support base think as long as they are making lots of money. IMO it’s only a matter of time before the whole pyramid is given a huge shake up.
I agree with scara, and I know Robbie has mentioned the cultural price of fans etc.

But as Robbie has mentioned Liverpool, to use them as an example, it was only a few weeks ago they released data they only have 6k season ticket holders with a Liverpool post code. The years of these clubs being a local team etc has long since gone. Anfield, old Trafford etc will continue to be full.
 
Already discussed this with you probably on more than one occasion. As a football fan I'm very much against the formation of a European Super League especially if it involves some of our own clubs leaving to join it. Football in this country thrives on the EPL and the players brought to this country by various clubs. Sure, there's financial discrepancies about the distribution of wealth but the loss of the big 6 would mean the loss of major sums of money coming into football, and whilst yes, a lot of the armchair viewers might be ok with it, I would hope that there's also plenty of armchair viewers who are actually attendees of games too.
Would a Liverpool fan want to forego a derby with Everton for the sake of a game with Inter or AC in a Super League. I would hope any genuine Liverpool fan wouldn't.
 
Already discussed this with you probably on more than one occasion. As a football fan I'm very much against the formation of a European Super League especially if it involves some of our own clubs leaving to join it. Football in this country thrives on the EPL and the players brought to this country by various clubs. Sure, there's financial discrepancies about the distribution of wealth but the loss of the big 6 would mean the loss of major sums of money coming into football, and whilst yes, a lot of the armchair viewers might be ok with it, I would hope that there's also plenty of armchair viewers who are actually attendees of games too.
Would a Liverpool fan want to forego a derby with Everton for the sake of a game with Inter or AC in a Super League. I would hope any genuine Liverpool fan wouldn't.
Firstly, the figures mentioned in the OP do not include the Clubs own individual rights to negotiate deals on their own media platform, which would increase the £213m pa by more than a fair wedge.

Secondly, it is a replacement for the CL, not for the PL, as it stands. The winner currently plays 13 games in the CL, so essentially they play 5+ games more than now if the ESL was 20 games a season (min of 18). That, however, is before they drop out of the League cup and maybe the FA Cup.

So they could do the ESL alongside the PL, at least for a few seasons. The PL would have no choice in the matter. This isn't a break away as such, more a rehash of an existing competition.

A full blown ESL is coming though, 2 leagues of 20, with 6 down. Won't be stopped, however the knock on effects will be huge domestically- loads of clubs will go.
 
If it happens then goes belly up I presume the 6 clubs would have to apply to rejoin the lowest tier of English football?
 
If it happens then goes belly up I presume the 6 clubs would have to apply to rejoin the lowest tier of English football?
Not in the slightest. Firstly, they won't leave at least in the short to short medium term, and secondly, the PL will take a hit financially without them so will bend over backwards.
 
Robbie makes a big thing of the role of the Sky "fan" in this, but I wonder what is the proportion of domestic vs international subscriber? I would suggest that the Sky (or whatever is the provider out there) fan in the Far East is less concerned than a London fan that Spurs will stop playing West Ham and play Inter Milan instead. (Insert whatever example you like)
 
Robbie makes a big thing of the role of the Sky "fan" in this, but I wonder what is the proportion of domestic vs international subscriber? I would suggest that the Sky (or whatever is the provider out there) fan in the Far East is less concerned than a London fan that Spurs will stop playing West Ham and play Inter Milan instead. (Insert whatever example you like)
Yep, a good point which I certainly hadn't considered.
 
Make the players, managers and staff self isolate for two weeks after every game abroad. That would make them think twice. I would certainly not pay a subscription to watch it
 
Not in the slightest. Firstly, they won't leave at least in the short to short medium term, and secondly, the PL will take a hit financially without them so will bend over backwards.
I believe the PL has an agreement with the EFL to accept three promoted teams, so if the big teams did leave, then the only way to get into the PL would be through promotion. For that not to happen, the EFL & PL would have to renegotiate that deal or the PL would have to play with 14 teams. Both would be unlikely.
 
For the life of me, can’t see why we can’t have just normal leagues throughout Europe where each club has a foreign max 2 player rule and winner takes all. Who wants to watch a load of Africans, Brazilians or whatever playing for a club that has bought their services. Surely if a team full of English, Germans, French etc win’the league surely that makes them champions and you know where the talent is. The World Cup is there to pool the best players together and interesting that no African country has yet won a World Cup but Brazil on the other hand....
 
Already discussed this with you probably on more than one occasion. As a football fan I'm very much against the formation of a European Super League especially if it involves some of our own clubs leaving to join it. Football in this country thrives on the EPL and the players brought to this country by various clubs. Sure, there's financial discrepancies about the distribution of wealth but the loss of the big 6 would mean the loss of major sums of money coming into football, and whilst yes, a lot of the armchair viewers might be ok with it, I would hope that there's also plenty of armchair viewers who are actually attendees of games too.
Would a Liverpool fan want to forego a derby with Everton for the sake of a game with Inter or AC in a Super League. I would hope any genuine Liverpool fan wouldn't.
Genuine Liverpool fans arent running the club though. And who are the Big 6?
 
For the life of me, can’t see why we can’t have just normal leagues throughout Europe where each club has a foreign max 2 player rule and winner takes all. Who wants to watch a load of Africans, Brazilians or whatever playing for a club that has bought their services. Surely if a team full of English, Germans, French etc win’the league surely that makes them champions and you know where the talent is. The World Cup is there to pool the best players together and interesting that no African country has yet won a World Cup but Brazil on the other hand....
If we continue following that logic, should clubs then only recruit/play players from their local postcode area? that way, if Blackpool or Sunderland won the league we would then know where the talent is. I mean who wants to watch a load of Yorkshireman, Londoners or whatever playing for a club that has bought their services...
 
If we continue following that logic, should clubs then only recruit/play players from their local postcode area? that way, if Blackpool or Sunderland won the league we would then know where the talent is. I mean who wants to watch a load of Yorkshireman, Londoners or whatever playing for a club that has bought their services...
Exactly. That's why I poke fun at the Football Supporters Association and the Trusts who come up with this parochial and insular approach to fan engagement, where only the 'real fans' matter and the rest are just plastics.
The FSA sent a three man delegation out to Italy 18 months ago when the ESL story broke to find a fans solution to this, but as yet nothing has been organised or planned in response.
With it being a self interest clique any information forthcoming has been muted, and the truly real fans ie those that pay to go and watch their clubs home and away haven't been kept in any sort of loop.

I don't see what all the fuss is about anyway. People keep paying Sky TV subs etc so you get the game you deserve.
 
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