For the love of all that is holy...

Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
No but it might just mean we recruit better, have some sort of strategy for the team and squad in the years going forward and us not looking like an absolute gift for players and agents who're not up to the task but see money and long contracts.
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Every player, staff member, manager, assistants etc are all a gamble and because things aren't working out we have to blame someone or something, how about the players showing some heart and grafting their bollocks off for the cause, not seen that in abundance have we, the players IMO have to take a lot of responsibility for the position we are in, the club will only agree to the length of contract and wages if they want the player end of.
 
BFCfan33 said:
Every player, staff member, manager, assistants etc are all a gamble and because things aren't working out we have to blame someone or something, how about the players showing some heart and grafting their bollocks off for the cause, not seen that in abundance have we, the players IMO have to take a lot of responsibility for the position we are in, the club will only agree to the length of contract and wages if they want the player end of.
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So we've agreed contracts and wages for players who won't graft apparently but the people who agreed to sign these players don't take any responsibility?
 
I really don’t understand what David Downes and our “scouts” at the club do in all honestly, like what does his day to day consist of? Because it’s not building recruiting models like he says.
 
BFCfan33 said:
Every player, staff member, manager, assistants etc are all a gamble and because things aren't working out we have to blame someone or something, how about the players showing some heart and grafting their bollocks off for the cause, not seen that in abundance have we, the players IMO have to take a lot of responsibility for the position we are in, the club will only agree to the length of contract and wages if they want the player end of.
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Ok David Downes you've had your say....
 
BFCfan33 said:
Everything is a gamble in this game, some things work out some don't just like everything in life.
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Would you suggest it's worked out since the summer of 2023?

I do agree that people look for a scapegoat but that's not an excuse to let them carry on regardless.

If Critchley can get sacked after 2 games in to a season why are they at least not under review?

Can you name one decent decision?
 
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BFCfan33 said:
Every player, staff member, manager, assistants etc are all a gamble and because things aren't working out we have to blame someone or something, how about the players showing some heart and grafting their bollocks off for the cause, not seen that in abundance have we, the players IMO have to take a lot of responsibility for the position we are in, the club will only agree to the length of contract and wages if they want the player end of.
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Yes they’re all a gamble but surely nobody who is in charge of assembling a squad could look at our squad containing a bunch of soft lads like Lyons, Coulson, Hamilton, Bloxham, Hansson and think they’ve assembled a decent team
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
No but it might just mean we recruit better, have some sort of strategy for the team and squad in the years going forward and us not looking like an absolute gift for players and agents who're not up to the task but see money and long contracts.
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Do you not think that the manager has given the green light and directives for the players he wants or do you think Bruce signed a contract to be our manager ,but must play with players that he has no say in . This is before he tells the fans that he is making edge of their seat signings.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Do you not think that the manager has given the green light and directives for the players he wants or do you think Bruce signed a contract to be our manager ,but must play with players that he has no say in . This is before he tells the fans that he is making edge of their seat signings.
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Wiz, I doubt that very much.
Even if that was the case with Bruce I would have thought Evo has a lot more about him than that.
Lest just see how much support he gets in the January transfer window because I can see him getting shut of 3 or 4 players.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Do you not think that the manager has given the green light and directives for the players he wants or do you think Bruce signed a contract to be our manager ,but must play with players that he has no say in . This is before he tells the fans that he is making edge of their seat signings.
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Remind me again who introduced Bruce to the club and got him on board? 😘
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Wiz, I doubt that very much.
Even if that was the case with Bruce I would have thought Evo has a lot more about him than that.
Lest just see how much support he gets in the January transfer window because I can see him getting shut of 3 or 4 players.
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You may be right ,but he may struggle because the team are failing and nobody would want to sign players not pulling their weight ,even on lone. I also believe that Evo will not be given much in the transfer window to sign too many players because of the large investments at the start of the season.

I think that once we get Taylor and Ennis back things may change as the chances our players have missed in front of the goal beggars belief . Lyons ,Coulson and Horsefall have all missed good chances in recent games.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Would you suggest it's worked out since the summer of 2023?

I do agree that people look for a scapegoat but that's not an excuse to let them carry on regardless.

If Critchley can get sacked after 2 games in to a season why are they at least not under review?

Can you name one decent decision?
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People who make the decisions will always think they have got it right, i agree not everything works out for the best, but i am sure everything is done with the right intentions, for me personally its how we go forward as a team and for me we will be ok, i could be wrong no one knows, but its something i can't influence so don't get bothered about it to be honest, i want the club to be successful just like every one else on here, but an awful lot of people on here are looking for scapegoats and they are easy targets, as i have said previously the players have to take a lot of the responsibility for their performances and lack of effort in certain games.
 
Agree with the o/p.

I'd go back to having a manager rather than "Head Coach", thereby getting rid of 2 x high overhead costs. I can't see what value Winter and Downes have added to the club at all.

I'm guessing that revenues will be down next season, so we'll need to reduce overhead costs anyway, especially with ageing players on comfortable lengthy contracts
 
BFCfan33 said:
People who make the decisions will always think they have got it right, i agree not everything works out for the best, but i am sure everything is done with the right intentions, for me personally its how we go forward as a team and for me we will be ok, i could be wrong no one knows, but its something i can't influence so don't get bothered about it to be honest, i want the club to be successful just like every one else on here, but an awful lot of people on here are looking for scapegoats and they are easy targets, as i have said previously the players have to take a lot of the responsibility for their performances and lack of effort in certain games.
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You can’t defend Downes recruitment record. The guy is a clown and sending us down(es)
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
You can’t defend Downes recruitment record. The guy is a clown and sending us down(es)
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I can defend who i want, and for the record where have i said i defend him, the problem on here is people don't like any one with an opinion, and to be honest their are bigger clowns on here than within the club
 
BFCfan33 said:
I can defend who i want, and for the record where have i said i defend him, the problem on here is people don't like any one with an opinion, and to be honest their are bigger clowns on here than within the club
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Nothing wrong with having an opinion but the evidence is there. Downes has signed around 25 players in his time with us. Can you name any that are actually decent and have significantly improved the team?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Would you suggest it's worked out since the summer of 2023?

I do agree that people look for a scapegoat but that's not an excuse to let them carry on regardless.

If Critchley can get sacked after 2 games in to a season why are they at least not under review?

Can you name one decent decision?
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Sacking Critchley.😏
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Do you not think that the manager has given the green light and directives for the players he wants or do you think Bruce signed a contract to be our manager ,but must play with players that he has no say in . This is before he tells the fans that he is making edge of their seat signings.
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🎶 And I’m still waiting ohohoh🎶
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
Nothing wrong with having an opinion but the evidence is there. Downes has signed around 25 players in his time with us. Can you name any that are actually decent and have significantly improved the team?
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Just a simple question could you tell me the process for getting a player into the club, for example who finds them, who says they want that player. what input does the manager have etc etc
 
BFCfan33 said:
So you are saying he should take the full responsibility for the current situation, no blame on the players then?
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The players have to take responsibility but ultimately they aren’t good enough. Downes has to take responsibility for the lack of quality in the team and the appalling squad planning which has left us with gaping holes.
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
The players have to take responsibility but ultimately they aren’t good enough. Downes has to take responsibility for the lack of quality in the team and the appalling squad planning which has left us with gaping holes.
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Your first comment is good enough for me - Thank you
 
BFCfan33 said:
the club will only agree to the length of contract and wages if they want the player end of.
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So it’s down to the club then to do the necessary homework on players.

Said it a couple of months after we had signed Dale Taylor, Blackpool FC have only ever spent over a million pound on a player twice! But we signed Taylor without a clear plan of who he’d play with, what was the best system to make the most of him and how our tactics needed to suit him… it looks like we’ve wasted that million so far. That falls down on 3 people, recruitment & the manager at the time not having this exact discussion and seeing if it’s a good fit. Then the player also. Where you can defend Dale Taylor though is that we’ve done the same thing with all the other signings.

Brown best in a 3, Bruce has him in a 2 or right back. Where’s Honeyman going to play? No proper left back for a back 4… we’ve signed apparently “2 first choice keepers”?? I mean cmon. We’re in Lge 1, you have your number 1 and a back-up. Both aren’t good enough & we’ll be wasting £££. Pumimg long balls go strikers and not signing a target man? Hansson?

I’ve no doubts some of these players have no balls, but Big Mike isn’t going to say “you know this 3+1 you want to give me at 32? I think I’ll make a lot of mistakes so just give me a 1 year and see how I go?”

That’s not on the players to come here, the club chooses to do it, so recruitment.

Just like signing Jordan Rhodes for another 12 months when he hasn’t scored a goal in 2024, was 34-35 and had two bad injuries. Again, that’s our fault or recruitment.

Zero joined up thinking, no thought or plan on where these players fit, just go for a load of names who’ve won promotion out the league before and have an international record (who we then need to nurse through games at the age of 28).

The club has to accept ownership cos they choose the players and don’t clear out the ones who clearly haven’t got the balls for it or are good enough.
 
Adams Kebab said:
So it’s down to the club then to do the necessary homework on players.

Said it a couple of months after we had signed Dale Taylor, Blackpool FC have only ever spent over a million pound on a player twice! But we signed Taylor without a clear plan of who he’d play with, what was the best system to make the most of him and how our tactics needed to suit him… it looks like we’ve wasted that million so far. That falls down on 3 people, recruitment & the manager at the time not having this exact discussion and seeing if it’s a good fit. Then the player also. Where you can defend Dale Taylor though is that we’ve done the same thing with all the other signings.

Brown best in a 3, Bruce has him in a 2 or right back. Where’s Honeyman going to play? No proper left back for a back 4… we’ve signed apparently “2 first choice keepers”?? I mean cmon. We’re in Lge 1, you have your number 1 and a back-up. Both aren’t good enough & we’ll be wasting £££. Pumimg long balls go strikers and not signing a target man? Hansson?

I’ve no doubts some of these players have no balls, but Big Mike isn’t going to say “you know this 3+1 you want to give me at 32? I think I’ll make a lot of mistakes so just give me a 1 year and see how I go?”

That’s not on the players to come here, the club chooses to do it, so recruitment.

Just like signing Jordan Rhodes for another 12 months when he hasn’t scored a goal in 2024, was 34-35 and had two bad injuries. Again, that’s our fault or recruitment.

Zero joined up thinking, no thought or plan on where these players fit, just go for a load of names who’ve won promotion out the league before and have an international record (who we then need to nurse through games at the age of 28).

The club has to accept ownership cos they choose the players and don’t clear out the ones who clearly haven’t got the balls for it or are good enough.
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Everything you have said are only your opinions with nothing but your view to back it up, so all that time writing the above is wasted, you keep saying this saying that so would you kindly give me the process that the club goes through to get a player into the club from start to finish so i have a better understanding of what happens.
 
BFCfan33 said:
Everything you have said are only your opinions with nothing but your view to back it up, so all that time writing the above is wasted, you keep saying this saying that so would you kindly give me the process that the club goes through to get a player into the club from start to finish so i have a better understanding of what happens.
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So you're basically saying if was signed a one legged Sloth upfront, it would be the poor fellas fault if he didn't score and we were losing games.

Ruthless.
 
BFCfan33 said:
Everything you have said are only your opinions with nothing but your view to back it up, so all that time writing the above is wasted, you keep saying this saying that so would you kindly give me the process that the club goes through to get a player into the club from start to finish so i have a better understanding of what happens.
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I’m not going to waste my time.

Have a simply lovely day 😊
 
BFCfan33 said:
Everything you have said are only your opinions with nothing but your view to back it up, so all that time writing the above is wasted, you keep saying this saying that so would you kindly give me the process that the club goes through to get a player into the club from start to finish so i have a better understanding of what happens.
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What exactly do you think the recruitment team are succeeding at?
 
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