puggiz
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Long and short term probably, yes
For the love of all that is holy...
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EdgeleyTangerine
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I know what the process should be and I know we aren’t doing that.
Tell me it then because i don't
The mind boggles
EdgeleyTangerine
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Clearly not if you think the current recruitment team are doing a good job
If you read back numpty i have said never they are doing a good job, i said the players have to take a lot of the responsibility for the position the club is in, a question for you did you think the club did well in the summer transfer window getting the players they did because looking back a large majority of people on here thought they did, its only now when things are not good they look at scapegoats hence the barrage against the recruitment team from the people on here who want to point the blame at something or someone.
EdgeleyTangerine
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The only numpty on this thread is you.
The recruitment in the summer was terrible and has been since Downes joined. Yes the players have to take responsibility but even then they simply are not good enough.
If i clearly don't know it please tell me it will be a good learning curve for me to understand the process then maybe i can join the recruitment out brigade.
Really, i love just responding to idiots like you on here just to wind you up and you keep biting so carry on you make my day/month/ year.
Put me on ignore like others have if you like because they can't handle the questions asked.
By the way i take it you are not going to tell me the process because you don't know it - Bless yeh
EdgeleyTangerine
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You aren’t winding me up at all. I just think you’re a moron
Adams Kebab
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I beg ya pardon?
Macseasider
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The weirdo swears at people when it's losing the argument. Sad really.
Bend it like Suddick
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With your mind understandably
fcblackpool
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The 2 want potting. They haven't worked and are dragging us backwards.
The basic job of a sporting director (what other sports are there bar football?) is to work with the owner and manager to establish some philosophy of how the Club goes about football. Not just the first team, but youth and scouting.
Once you've come to a common aim, his job is then to help the manager assemble players who compliment each other for the best value the Club can get. Players for positions required. Thought out players and positions.
If that doesn't materialise then it's either because of finances or incompetence. Finances don't appear to have been a problem therefore you can only conclude etc.
Over time managers change, but the basic plan doesn't, so if there's a problem the SD has to be the focus.
OK, longwinded way of saying sack the pair of suits and get someone in who knows football from playing, managing, whatever as long as he's been hands on a football and get some sort of plan. Sadly SS hasn't a clue either so places trust in these failures.
Until they go nothing will change.
Some of the signings of the over 30's don't just merit sacking, they demand a firing squad.
The basic job of a sporting director (what other sports are there bar football?) is to work with the owner and manager to establish some philosophy of how the Club goes about football. Not just the first team, but youth and scouting.
Once you've come to a common aim, his job is then to help the manager assemble players who compliment each other for the best value the Club can get. Players for positions required. Thought out players and positions.
If that doesn't materialise then it's either because of finances or incompetence. Finances don't appear to have been a problem therefore you can only conclude etc.
Over time managers change, but the basic plan doesn't, so if there's a problem the SD has to be the focus.
OK, longwinded way of saying sack the pair of suits and get someone in who knows football from playing, managing, whatever as long as he's been hands on a football and get some sort of plan. Sadly SS hasn't a clue either so places trust in these failures.
Until they go nothing will change.
Some of the signings of the over 30's don't just merit sacking, they demand a firing squad.
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Bend it like Suddick
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Good post fc
Not necessarily - but it will bring to an end our rather painful position of being the whipping boys of Div One.
'... even on loan...' And, I'm sure I won't be 'alone' in flagging this up for everyone's attention.
Love it
Whose's swore MCDONALD
EdgeleyTangerine
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Careful @BFCfan33 will be asking to you for a full rundown of how a football club works
At least i have a better understanding of how it works now after FCBlackpool has commented, at least he has done something you and the recruitment out brigade couldn't.
But will it, whoever replaced him if they got rid would be a gamble as are players, managers, coaches etc, personally i just think people are after someone to blame and its their turn this week, next week it will be CJ's then Evatt not up to it, then to much training, then to many injuries again, then it will be the goalkeepers, then we will have had a crap January for buying/loaning of players, then the season will then finish Evatt will do his bit and then the next season will start, see i don't get down, depressed or even bother about results because i can't influence them and nobody on here can so this on here is just a bit of fun to me.
EdgeleyTangerine
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I mean, if you didn’t already know that then you’re more of a moron than I originally thought.
Adams Kebab
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You won, @BFCfan33 . Enjoy the money, I hope it makes you happy.
Dear lord, what a sad little life,. You ruined my night completely so you could have the money and I hope now you can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum. Because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on, so take your money and get off my property.
Thank you, to be honest i would get of here if i knew how being thick, Can you help me
Superbretty
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This season has undoubtedly been a shambles thus far. The alarm bells started tinkling when Bruce started moaning about pre-season (kind of essential) and got louder from then on.
However, I do think we brought in some decent players this summer. I was delighted to see Ennis signed on a permanent, Imray is the equal of Offiah, if not better, Horsfall and Ike (etc) seem good signings on paper. Honeyman started really strongly I thought (let’s see how it goes from here) The Taylor signing was a fair old investment and I was personally delighted to see Bowler back. But I think the combination of a disinterested Bruce and a horrendous run of injuries has really scuppered us. I think we will be a different team entirely in six weeks. If I’m wrong (quite possible) and we end up getting relegated then Downes and Winter will quite rightly be in the firing line. We will see.
However, I do think we brought in some decent players this summer. I was delighted to see Ennis signed on a permanent, Imray is the equal of Offiah, if not better, Horsfall and Ike (etc) seem good signings on paper. Honeyman started really strongly I thought (let’s see how it goes from here) The Taylor signing was a fair old investment and I was personally delighted to see Bowler back. But I think the combination of a disinterested Bruce and a horrendous run of injuries has really scuppered us. I think we will be a different team entirely in six weeks. If I’m wrong (quite possible) and we end up getting relegated then Downes and Winter will quite rightly be in the firing line. We will see.
Vince McLean
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Surely a professional footballer should always work extremely hard.
It isn't optional - players who don't have to go.
Shouldn't that be a given?
Surely a professional footballer should always work extremely hard.
It isn't optional - players who don't have to go.
Plumbs2
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A great post and its a common fault right across football. Had it at Dirty under Peter Reid's tenure relying on a dodgy French agent, Gwn Williams under Ken Bates who's main policy was to try and sign Henri Lansbury (because he knew his parents) and Victor Orta who made a complete mess to compound the same previously at Middlesborough.
As you say owners don't really have a clue and those they employ largely rely on agents, who only prioritise the money and not what's best for the club. Far too often players once they get the contract lose interest as we saw for instance when Ross McCormack* couldn't get to training with Villa because his driveway gates had broken.
*Btw the link with Blackpool was generated by his agent who was trying to get him a new,improved contract. Cellino opted to cash in and move him on.
But can you say our players are giving 100% week in week out because i can't, that should be a given every week hence me saying the plays have to take a lot of responsibility for where the club is. Some people don't get that, personally i think things will turn round for the better when we get players back and recruit in Jan, but you never know i might be wrong time will tell
Lytham_fy8
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Wonder how much they get paid for a role with apparently zero responsibility?
bill40
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The summer recruitment was fantastic and most of us were ecstatic about it and rightly so. We signed players with choices elsewhere and beat off clubs bigger than us. I have no idea how it has gone so wrong but those players simply haven't gelled as a team and we're just bloody woeful. This is where we went wrong, we brought in some really good players with no thought to building a team, it was hit and hope. A panic measure may be to be bring in a couple of out of contract players on trial as it were. God knows how we'll get rid of those on long contracts that don't merit them. Over to you Evo.
EdgeleyTangerine
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There were probably 3/4 players who looked good on paper but overall recruitment was haphazard and we failed to address weaknesses in certain positions.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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Flag what you want , If we lone out 4 or 5 players and we are given the finances to replace them ,than I will be over the moon .
I take it we are taking about the players if so i don't know the answer to that but they will be well paid.
Lytham_fy8
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So only the players have any responsibility and targeted performance?
I'll ask again, because you've avoided the question, what are we paying the Sporting Director for?
For the record on your original comment where did you say the Sporting Director? maybe i need to ask for a crystal ball for Christmas
Lytham_fy8
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Where it says 'sporting director'
Wonder how much they get paid for a role with apparently zero responsibility?
Help me out a bit may i ask where is says sporting director above, that was your original question, i have ordered the crystal ball for Christmas so i can see what you really meant.
The role of the Sporting Director in my opinion is someone who predominately over see's the clubs footballing operations, i am sure each club around the world see's this role differently. As for my best mate David i don't have a job Spec so wouldn't know the finer details as none of us would.
fcblackpool
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This is correct. Problem is there is no evidence of successful overseeing the football. Never in a million years should he allow a managr to come in, pick up players to suit what he wants and then get a new manager who requires the opposite.
The job of DD here is to oversee continuity; to establish how the Club wants to go about the football in general and work within that framework. He's failed on so many levels. The basic one just mentioned and then on the vfm signings.
In truth he's doing more harm than good.
God knows what or where Winters is doing. Someone should tell him we've finished playing hide and seek and he can come out.
It needs an overhaul otherwise it's more of the same.
FY4Representer
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They got us into this mess. Sacking them would absolutely help the club overall. What are you trying to defend here? Their amazing record?
I am not trying to defend anyone or anything, all I said at the outset was the players have to take some responsibility for the way things are and i still stand by that End of.
The problem on here is people don't like hearing other peoples opinion's and when they don't like it the toys get thrown out of the pram and their dummies go in and they hunt in packs. i am entitled to my opinion as is everyone else if people don't like mine am i bothered NO.
So a question to you Sir how would sacking them help the club in its current situation.
fcblackpool
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because we are coming up to a window and having them no where near it would allow someone (IE, a DoF, whoever) to choose players who will benefit the team by benefitting the players in the team and who would have no problem binning players brought in by the, cough, Sporting Director.
January is an important window in a few ways and needs approaching in the correct manner for the team. That hasn't happened and you can blame players, but who didn't do their research on them.
Wrong players.
Wrong contracts.
Wrong team.
All signings are a gamble and how do you know any signings would benefit the team (we don't) i understand your views but they i think are going nowhere so we just accept it and get on with life. That's the way it is for us who support the club like it or lump it.
And to be honest none of us know what they do day in day out it is all about certain people on here finding someone to blame and this week its the recruitment team.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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If the recruiting is done in a normal way . The backroom staff get given the list of positions that are required then they go out and look for them . They could then sign them ,but usually with the green light from the manager , but still could sign them .
I have to go off the theory that Bruce gave the green light for all the players we got ,because he seemed pleased and confident we were going to do well . He also said a couple of the signings were edge of your seat players ,but he was still trying to sort it . This gives me the impression he definitely wanted the main players we got.
No one knew how badly these players were going to perform , no one knows that Bruce was going to play the same formation every game ,even though we kept getting beaten , and no one knew how many injuries our top players were going to get.
If the backroom staff have any responsibility at all it has to be minimum. Bruce led us into this mess and that's it. SIMPLE
I have to go off the theory that Bruce gave the green light for all the players we got ,because he seemed pleased and confident we were going to do well . He also said a couple of the signings were edge of your seat players ,but he was still trying to sort it . This gives me the impression he definitely wanted the main players we got.
No one knew how badly these players were going to perform , no one knows that Bruce was going to play the same formation every game ,even though we kept getting beaten , and no one knew how many injuries our top players were going to get.
If the backroom staff have any responsibility at all it has to be minimum. Bruce led us into this mess and that's it. SIMPLE
Macseasider
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Is the "33" part of your username in reference to your IQ??
fcblackpool
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we do know whether players would benefit the team. A left sided CB would benefit straight away for a start.
Is it wrong for supporters to voice concern and point out where they see problems, or do we turn a blind eye whilst chaos just carries on? Glad we didn't do the latter under the Oi!Scums.
You got it in one Macdonald
Not wrong at all to voice concerns and point out problems if there are any, as i have said previously we all have opinions and we are all correct because that's what we believe or think. i am not saying we don't need to strengthen all i have said on this thread from the start is that the players have to take some responsibility for the current position the club is in and i got shot down by the dummy throwers.