Foreign Holidays

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Don’t you worry the pensioners won’t give two shytes about the rest of us once they are sorted... That era has always been the same ‘super selfish’.

We may have all sacrificed our freedom, our incomes and our education, but they won’t give up their holidays.
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I think the first time that "selfish" was mentioned in this thread was by you.
Sorry next time I'll just roll-over and let you tickle my tummy.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
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Or, how I learned to stop worrying and hate the Boomers.
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With respect, what relevance does an insignificant long-winded article from one American journalist in 2000 on the core points raised?

Your claim that "on balance (they) have certainly reaped the greatest havoc on the planet collectively" is purely subjective, and is hardly supported by the article you posted in any scientific data-lead way.

On the main issue I am vaguely of the opinion of people being able to get on with their lives once they have had the second vaccination and if it means older people benefit from an earlier holiday so be it...
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
With Cyprus announcing today that those who can demonstrate that they have had both jabs will be welcome from 1/5 ( albeit the UK flight restrictions aren't eased until 17/5 at the earliest ) what's everyone's thoughts

I confess to being a little uncomfortable with this because it will be the 50+ who will have the green light to go and let's get it right the lockdown has been to protect the older members of our society

Personally I'd ban foreign holidays until everyone who is eligible has had the jab or at least the opportunity

We are meant to be in this together and we should come out of it together
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That’s not exactly what Cyprus have said, ie only allowing in vaccinated travellers.

They have a 3 tier process, if you’ve had both jabs no tests required, one jab requires one test, no jabs two tests required.

So anybody can go!!! Factanalswabmundo
 
I think if they are able to go, then go if you want, assuming you can't transmit.

This will require some sort of vaccine passport, obviously, which will naturally lead to a passport domestically as well, more so as the economy opens up. What are you going to do, stop someone going inside a restaurant for a sit down meal when others have to stay outside? The pressure from hosp. will be overwhelming.
 
Sorry TAM I hadn't seen this thread when I put my thoughts in writing, so here is my conclusion from my post.

My solution? Ban all foreign travel, for the time being, maybe six to twelve months, take baby steps rather than going gung ho into the unknown. Other countries are only after the pound in our pockets, they are not worried, once they have our money, whether or not we bring the disease back with us to share with the rest of the UK. That will be our problem. Let us all be careful and where at all possible have days out, retaining social distancing or alternatively, if a holiday is a must, stay in this country. Our own businesses have suffered as much if not more than others around the world so let’s look after our own before contributing to the economies of others.

NB, have just seen on the WHO site that the figures in Cyprus are going up.
 
I think that's pretty much where I am at Curryman

It seems madness to me to give the green light to travel to countries that are still rolling out their own vaccine programme when we haven't yet completed ours

For this summer ( and until we see how things develop when we are all vaccinated ) it should be essential foreign travel only

Let's give a shot in the arm to the UK hospitality sector whilst not undoing all the hard work during what has been a turgid winter
 
Does this mean kids & twenty-somethings won't be able to travel abroad for holidays?

The grey tops are going to have a ball this summer with the bars, beach and pools to themselves😄
Anyone up for the foam party?
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
I think that's pretty much where I am at Curryman

It seems madness to me to give the green light to travel to countries that are still rolling out their own vaccine programme when we haven't yet completed ours

For this summer ( and until we see how things develop when we are all vaccinated ) it should be essential foreign travel only

Let's give a shot in the arm to the UK hospitality sector whilst not undoing all the hard work during what has been a turgid winter
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Will the UK hospitality sector be allowed to open fully ?
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Will the UK hospitality sector be allowed to open fully ?
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Virtually I would have thought
Most restrictions will be lifted by mid June and the lions share a month earlier
Rushing to open up foreign holidays just has ' disaster ' written all over it both on an equitable basis ( the point behind the OP ) and from a protectionist perspective ( curryman's point )
 
I don’t think the vaccine means you completely immune, it’s about 90% effective in the over 70s from what i’ve just read( i’m no scientist though😁)...
So if I was a coffin dodger i think I’d be a bit wary...😎
 
I have some sympathy with the argument that it is unfair on younger people to have their travel restricted until they have a vaccine, but there is a lot of unfairness in life. If we waited for everyone to have been offered the vaccine to open up travel, will the airlines and all supporting industries suddenly be able to turn on the capacity to enable everyone to travel who wants to ?

Opening up routes and getting airports back up to capacity will be a gradual process so why no start with those who can travel. Then there will be the capacity to serve the younger age groups when they are able to go. It may also keep the cost down for youngsters as the older groups will have already been. Prices will be sky high if everyone wants to go at the same time .
 
I really don't get this obsession with holidays? I like travelling but I don't fancy going anywhere whilst still having to wear a mask and I wonder about the cost and get out clauses for insurance. We really did have an opportunity to cut back on pollution, excessive lifestyles (compared to the vast majority of the 8bn on earth) and all I've heard since the govt produced the road map is about pubs and holidays. Its two weeks out of 52.
 
Shandypants said:
I really don't get this obsession with holidays? I like travelling but I don't fancy going anywhere whilst still having to wear a mask and I wonder about the cost and get out clauses for insurance. We really did have an opportunity to cut back on pollution, excessive lifestyles (compared to the vast majority of the 8bn on earth) and all I've heard since the govt produced the road map is about pubs and holidays. Its two weeks out of 52.
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I don’t fancy doing anything from reading your posts on here.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
I don’t fancy doing anything from reading your posts on here.
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I enjoy days walking in the lakes, dales etc. I've took hols in the country for the last decade.
People are too quick to hop on a plane without knowing the first thing about their own country. That's up to them in normal circumstances but is complete bullshit during a global pandemic.
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
With Cyprus announcing today that those who can demonstrate that they have had both jabs will be welcome from 1/5 ( albeit the UK flight restrictions aren't eased until 17/5 at the earliest ) what's everyone's thoughts

I confess to being a little uncomfortable with this because it will be the 50+ who will have the green light to go and let's get it right the lockdown has been to protect the older members of our society

Personally I'd ban foreign holidays until everyone who is eligible has had the jab or at least the opportunity

We are meant to be in this together and we should come out of it together
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In this together - we have an even more divided society than ever
 
Shandypants said:
I enjoy days walking in the lakes, dales etc. I've took for hols in the country for the last decade.
People are too quick to hop on a plane without knowing the first thing about their own country. That's up to them in normal circumstances but is complete bullshit during a global pandemic.
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Good luck with that this year
 
There are US states fully opening up with no adverse affects. No masks, no restrictions, no social distancing. Choose your own exposure to 'risk'. If nothing else, it beats listening to a load of old fogies endlessly talking about how they would reorder society "if I had my way". 😴💤
 
Lala said:
I can’t say I’m too fussed who goes first . I can’t go till I’m jabbed and it won’t change that fact if others can go before me.
Plus, the holiday industry has taken such a huge hit from this, airlines, staff, tour reps and travel agents etc that I think it would help the economy to get this sector back operational sooner rather than later.
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Maybe my mate is right in his great reset theory & this whole thing is about control (we think he’s lost the plot incidentally) but some of what he’s been spouting is coming out on here. Divide & conquer for one. I thought we’d be better than this, bitching at each other & pushing in for this & that. FFS far too many people seem to want everything yesterday despite the obvious consequences. 🤬
 
seasiderjohn said:
think youll find its the young ones who have put the oldies in hospital by partying sharing joints n sniffing coke together
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Nowt like a bit of stereotyping. 👍
So where the elderly at these parties or letting round the youth around to their houses the following days?

Or maybe the virus has been kept alive by the way we live in this densily populated country on top of each other. 🤔
 
poolseasider said:
Nowt like a bit of stereotyping. 👍
So where the elderly at these parties or letting round the youth around to their houses the following days?

Or maybe the virus has been kept alive by the way we live in this densily populated country on top of each other. 🤔
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just look at when universities opened up no oldies there and it went mental FACT
 
seasiderjohn said:
just look at when universities opened up no oldies there and it went mental FACT
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Bad example look what happened at Nursing homes with the elderly anywhere indoors you have groups of people congregate the virus has been rife.

And what has that got to do with Coke and Joints my Neice is at Uni and she'd give you a slap if you accused her of taking that.
 
As an exile working in European tourism for a few years, I can only pray that something happens and soon. If work doesn’t come along soon I’m at a point where I will end up homeless.
 
poolseasider said:
Bad example look what happened at Nursing homes with the elderly anywhere indoors you have groups of people congregate the virus has been rife.

And what has that got to do with Coke and Joints my Neice is at Uni and she'd give you a slap if you accused her of taking that.
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30 plus years of working the doors security on unis etc and i know the vast majority smoke weed and pass a joint around that is a major cause of spreading viruses etc
and as regards to nursing homes it was brought into most care homes by the staff as the residents were not getting visits and could not go out so its not rocket science as to how they became infected
 
Since1967 said:
I will pass on your views to my elderly father in law who caught the disease whilst hospitalised for something else.
Oh, hang on I can't. He died a lingering lonely painful death caused by covid.
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My neighbour too.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The point is you keep seeking proof whilst ignoring the obvious
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The obvious is often wrong, hence why I like to see proof.


TwelveAngryMen said:
How do you think it’s spread other that via places where people congregate without adhering to social distancing and then taking it home ?
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Oh, I agree with that point, but it doesn't follow that supermarkets and schools are where most of the transmission is, and note that most is more than 50%, so you're saying those two account for more than all other routes combined.

Personally I doubt supermarkets are a major route of transmission, schools is uncertain (not thought to be major with earlier variants, possibly more significant with Kent variant) and let's not forget that they've been closed for the last 2 months, my suspicion is that most intra-household transmission is via the workplace now.

But the key point is the above is my opinion, you gave your opinion as a statement of fact based on no evidence whatsoever.
 
todayistheday said:
You know best,good luck in the traffic jams.
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In summer holidays I'd agree but the rest of the time you'd be fine your just a negative git who likes to talk our country down.👎
If a shit hole like you've called Blackpool in the past can get 18 million in and out year on year other parts of the UK will be OK.👍
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The point is you keep seeking proof whilst ignoring the obvious
How do you think it’s spread other that via places where people congregate without adhering to social distancing and then taking it home ?
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Lost Seasider said:
The obvious is often wrong, hence why I like to see proof.




Oh, I agree with that point, but it doesn't follow that supermarkets and schools are where most of the transmission is, and note that most is more than 50%, so you're saying those two account for more than all other routes combined.

Personally I doubt supermarkets are a major route of transmission, schools is uncertain (not thought to be major with earlier variants, possibly more significant with Kent variant) and let's not forget that they've been closed for the last 2 months, my suspicion is that most intra-household transmission is via the workplace now.

But the key point is the above is my opinion, you gave your opinion as a statement of fact based on no evidence whatsoever.
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Lost you are clearly an intelligent bloke but to reference that schools aren’t the major source of transmission because they have been shut ( bar key workers children ) for the last two months is a bit pedantic
Clearly I’m talking about BEFORE they shut to the majority
And if you don’t think there is major transmission in supermarkets take a trip I generally don’t but when I last did I couldn’t believe it - virtually no social distancing
Yes there will be transmission in the workplace but most owners are responsible - unlike ‘ the Wild West ‘ of Tesco et al
 
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rockontommy said:
There are US states fully opening up with no adverse affects. No masks, no restrictions, no social distancing. Choose your own exposure to 'risk'. If nothing else, it beats listening to a load of old fogies endlessly talking about how they would reorder society "if I had my way". 😴💤
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I agree re exposure to risk but obviously I would not abuse the elderly.

There are plenty of younger folk who would have us all locked up - or locked down - for forever and a day if they had their way.
 
The Holiday industry has been on the "Gravy Train" for years make them wait until we are all safe. Those who want to go on Holiday should have two options Brazil or South Africa, then 6 months of isolation. Talk about the Darwin awards *rolls eyes*
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
Lost you are clearly an intelligent bloke but to reference that schools aren’t the major source of transmission because they have been shut ( bar key workers children ) for the last two months is a bit pedantic
Clearly I’m talking about BEFORE they shut to the majority
And if you don’t think there is major transmission in supermarkets take a trip I generally don’t but when I last did I couldn’t believe it - virtually no social distancing
Yes there will be transmission in the workplace but most owners are responsible - unlike ‘ the Wild West ‘ of Tesco et al
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You're rather missing the point, it is your opinion that supermarkets are a major transmission route, but you have no evidence to support that opinion and yet you state it as fact.
 
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