France Again (you couldn’t make it up)

EagleDay said:
OK, fair enough, so Brexit has caused this problem, are you saying we should have been bullied into staying with the EU? Is this action just to keep the other smaller members in line with the bully boys?
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The UK was bullied? We held massive advantages whilst being in the EU which we have now lost. From the Cod wars and mass unemployment of the 1970's, we were allowed to progress through to the pinacle of our wealth in the 2007, ending up with the 3rd strongest economy thanks to frictionless trade. You call that being bullied?

Now we are down to 7th in the list of economies and have placed friction all over the place which is strangling the UK's ability to compete and costing a fortune to muddle through. We've bullied ourselves.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Your clearly or deliberately missing the point here.
If that idiot of a president wasn't threatening switching the electricity off or indeed 100 trawler skippers and crew weren’t threatening a blockade then the two warships wouldn’t be there and we wouldn’t be discussing it would we?

Can you not see that?

That’s why I’am blaming the French how the he’ll can anyone blame us here? (Apart from you obviously)

It’s clearly an act of aggression and even if you can’t see it I’am pretty dam sure 99.9% of others can.

Can you imagine the stink if 100 British Trawlers sailed in to Dunkirk or Dieppe harbours what the reaction would be? And that’s not even threatening switching any electricity off.

Seriously open your eyes and for once stand by your so called country.
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French companies have a major input into our electricity supplies as well. It will be our electric they're cutting off next.

Remind me who was in charge when that situation was allowed to occur by privatising the electricity and gas networks?

This is a mess partially of our own making.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
No doubt BHOK was firmly behind Iceland during the of wars.

And no doubt he shared the same views that our Trawlers shouldn’t have been protected by the RN.
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Wasn't that the reverse of the current situation?

Iceland restricting access by extending its territorial waters, the UK objecting and RN escorting trawlers to the disputed grounds only to be repelled by a bloke called Magnus in a coracle?

Its to be hoped we've upped our game since then because Iceland won every single round of the Cod Wars.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
No doubt BHOK was firmly behind Iceland during the of wars.

And no doubt he shared the same views that our Trawlers shouldn’t have been protected by the RN.
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We can't even agree a fishing deal with Norway and, thanks to global warming, Cod stocks have now gone further North out of British waters and in to Norwegian ones.
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So the great British Fish and Chips is now having to be bought from Norway because our trawlers can't catch it.

How long will it be before all this nonsense is reversed for the good of the UK?
 
Walthamstow_Seasider said:
Wasn't that the reverse of the current situation?

Iceland restricting access by extending its territorial waters, the UK objecting and RN escorting trawlers to the disputed grounds only to be repelled by a bloke called Magnus in a coracle?

Its to be hoped we've upped our game since then because Iceland won every single round of the Cod Wars.
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Dunno, but isn’t the RN now the 28th largest Navy (you can thank David Cameron later) and France has the 17th largest in the World?

Obviously ours is more accurate as it can stop a technician flicking a switch in an Electric Supply control centre in deepest France!

Never mind, at least all our fishing vessels are safely tied up at home, some nowhere to sell their catch to and some have nowhere to fish thanks to our recent excellant negotiations with Norway.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
We can't even agree a fishing deal with Norway and, thanks to global warming, Cod stocks have now gone further North out of British waters and in to Norwegian ones.
🐟🐟🐟 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴

So the great British Fish and Chips is now having to be bought from Norway because our trawlers can't catch it.

How long will it be before all this nonsense is reversed for the good of the UK?
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Not in your lifetime I should imagine
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I am not so sure. It will become clear within 10 years how much the costs are mounting up and the people in government now who caused all this will all be long replaced.
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🙄 I think that Scara was having a little fun at your expense there. ‘Not in your lifetime I should imagine’ suggesting that you’ll never see Brexit as being ‘to the good of the UK’

I may be wrong

p.s. I would also argue that 14 miles in open sea is not what most people would consider ‘swimmable’
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The UK was bullied? We held massive advantages whilst being in the EU which we have now lost. From the Cod wars and mass unemployment of the 1970's, we were allowed to progress through to the pinacle of our wealth in the 2007, ending up with the 3rd strongest economy thanks to frictionless trade. You call that being bullied? Now we are down to 7th in the list of economies and have placed friction all over the place which is strangling the UK's ability to compete and costing a fortune to muddle through. We've bullied ourselves.
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Sorry to piss on your chips but the Bank of England's forecast today is that the UK economy will increase by 7.25% this year and 5.75% next year and unemployment will peak at 5.5%. These figures are well above previous projections. The outlook for the rest of Europe is not quite so rosy.
 
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The only things the French are good at are demos, strikes and disruption, even against their own Government and people. They use the EU rules when it suits them (protections and subsidies for inefficient farming being one) and ignore the EU rules when it they don't. It makes me laugh when they they prevent imports of our agricultural and fresh produce when the UK health standards are often better than those in France. And they have always had a chip on their shoulder against the British, De Gaulle being a prime example.
 
Tangojoe said:
Sorry to piss on your chips but the Bank of England's forecast today is that the UK economy will increase by 7.25% this year and 5.75% next year and unemployment will peak at 5.5%. These figures are well ahead of previous projections. The outlook for the rest of Europe is not quite so rosy.
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Put into perspective, the UK economy declined by a record 9.9% last year (whereas the EU decline was only around 6%).
 
Here's another perspective. The EU is shooting itself in the foot trying to put the UK down, while the UK carries on as before. The UK heads for economic recovery while the EU struggles to escape from another round of lockdowns.

Or a better one. France has tried everything in its power to subjugate the UK, including unnecessary customs protocols, blocking UK access to financial services, preventing export of vaccines bought and owned by the UK, etc etc. Meanwhile, the fury of the French citizens who can see through the subterfuge is mounting against Napoleon Macron as the French elections approach and the organ grinder and his monkey Clement Beaune become more and more desperate and more aggressive searching for new ways to hurt the UK.

Where would I rather be? Exactly where I am now.
 
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BigHandsOliverKahn said:
We can't even agree a fishing deal with Norway and, thanks to global warming, Cod stocks have now gone further North out of British waters and in to Norwegian ones.
🐟🐟🐟 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴

So the great British Fish and Chips is now having to be bought from Norway because our trawlers can't catch it.

How long will it be before all this nonsense is reversed for the good of the UK?
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What nonsense would that be?
The democratic vote to leave the EU?
 
Walthamstow_Seasider said:
Genuine question, as the Channel Islands weren't members of the EU and are not members of the UK why have they introduced post Brexit restrictions and new licensing arrangements?
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Because they used to voluntarily comply with the Single Market arrangements in order to easily trade with the EU, mainly France. That had to change following official Brexit on 1st January as the EU would not contemplate continuation.

And the new TCA agreement between the UK and the EU replaced the previous fishing agreements. However it may be that Jersey is using the new agreement to try and reduce French fishing activity in their waters to try and regenerate stocks. Jersey no longer wants fishing in their waters to be free for all comers.
 
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BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The UK was bullied? We held massive advantages whilst being in the EU which we have now lost. From the Cod wars and mass unemployment of the 1970's, we were allowed to progress through to the pinacle of our wealth in the 2007, ending up with the 3rd strongest economy thanks to frictionless trade. You call that being bullied?

Now we are down to 7th in the list of economies and have placed friction all over the place which is strangling the UK's ability to compete and costing a fortune to muddle through. We've bullied ourselves.
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we was in the eec when the cod wars were on
 
seasiderjohn said:
because the country was in lockdown
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As was the EU.

But the point really was the attempt to link the growth forecasts to the benefits of Brexit. I’m sure the growth figures will look good on paper but that only because huge parts of the economy have been locked down for 12 months.
 
The French have quite a large coastline and yet keep saying they have nowhere to fish!
They say they expected things to continue as normal after Brexit, yet, won't accept our shellfish after downgrading our waters from class A to class B.
It was they who closed the border before Christmas, without warning, causing havoc on both sides of the channel.
They demand that we help them bail out the Eurostar because it's apparently in trouble, but it belongs to them. Would they be rushing to share the profits with us had they made a vast amount. more than expected? I don't think so.
One of their boats has been seen ramming into a Jersey boat, is that not escalation?
Macron has been celebrating the life of Napoleon recently, the man who was the forerunner to Hitler in early 19th century Europe.
So they basically want everything to stay as it was if it affects them, but are more than willing to punish us if we want anything.
I've also worked out what the tricolor is all about. The red is the blood spilled on their behalf by foreign fighters sent to assist them. The blue is for the sea from where the foreign fighters arrived. The white is for what they were classed as, cheese-eating surrender monkeys, Now remind me, who said that?
 
About time English fishermen blocked their ports, or maybe their fishermen could rescue all the migrants crossing the chanel and take them back to a safe place called France.
 
Jersey doesn't pay tax to the UK but we are sending our navy? I wonder why, perhaps tax haven status means the Tories are helping out, whilst the cretins on here get hard ons.
 
Curryman said:
The French have quite a large coastline and yet keep saying they have nowhere to fish!
They say they expected things to continue as normal after Brexit, yet, won't accept our shellfish after downgrading our waters from class A to class B.
It was they who closed the border before Christmas, without warning, causing havoc on both sides of the channel.
They demand that we help them bail out the Eurostar because it's apparently in trouble, but it belongs to them. Would they be rushing to share the profits with us had they made a vast amount. more than expected? I don't think so.
One of their boats has been seen ramming into a Jersey boat, is that not escalation?
Macron has been celebrating the life of Napoleon recently, the man who was the forerunner to Hitler in early 19th century Europe.
So they basically want everything to stay as it was if it affects them, but are more than willing to punish us if we want anything.
I've also worked out what the tricolor is all about. The red is the blood spilled on their behalf by foreign fighters sent to assist them. The blue is for the sea from where the foreign fighters arrived. The white is for what they were classed as, cheese-eating surrender monkeys, Now remind me, who said that?
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If the working man in the UK had as much balls as our French counterparts we wouldn't be led by the privileged few. The French in WW1 suffered more casualties than we did, but hey ho we won the war.
 
Matesrates said:
About time English fishermen blocked their ports, or maybe their fishermen could rescue all the migrants crossing the chanel and take them back to a safe place called France.
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Perhaps if British officials didn’t fuck things up in the first place we wouldn’t have such problems.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
So one side declares an intention to peacefully sail into Jersey waters and later to return back to French ports, and the other side send in war ships with canon and guns. You believe the peaceful sailors are the aggressive ones?

A common theme since Brexit is that you always blame everybody else for all the trouble Brexit is bringing the UK. Brexit made enemies of friends, put up barriers where none existed, attempted (but failed) to put selfishness before unselfishness and has now caused countless problems for our country and you still try to stick up for it.
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I always try to take a balanced view. As ever what would France or Holland do if 70 British trawlers sailed into their waters to protest against not accepting seafood exports. I expect it would be a similar response.
The French have absolute right to protest but not to blockade.
Protest = Good
Blockade = Not Good

Let’s hope it stays sensible.

Orherwise there’ll be cries for the return of King Harry and the Black Prince
 
Chunkylad said:
I always try to take a balanced view. As ever what would France or Holland do if 70 British trawlers sailed into their waters to protest against not accepting seafood exports. I expect it would be a similar response.
The French have absolute right to protest but not to blockade.
Protest = Good
Blockade = Not Good

Let’s hope it stays sensible.

Orherwise there’ll be cries for the return of King Harry and the Black Prince
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So when the Arsenal team coach got blockaded by one of our fans before that FA Cup tie, were you for or against that action?
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
It's all part of the weird and wonderful make up of the 'United' Kingdom in that they aren't apparently part of the UK and weren't allowed to vote in the EU referendum but then are British when it comes to water even though the island isn't in the British Isles, whilst they apparently rule themselves but can't defend themselves (where's Bergerac when you need him?).

Anyone would think it was just being kept as a tax haven for the British rich. You really can't make it up.
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Again in light of balance - this would be the same for any of the dirty old Colonials who hold interests globally, France, Holland, Spain included (Reunion etc).
None of this makes sense or is fair but be balanced. Britain is not unusual or unique in this situation Bhok
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
So when the Arsenal team coach got blockaded by one of our fans before that FA Cup tie, were you for or against that action?
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Football analogy doesn’t work for me? That’s internal public disorder and I’m often in favour. I didn’t say I wasn’t a hypocrite, as I said I have a balanced view. (I supported the Utd fans protest, anti racism marches but not thr fascist marches so I’m sometimes in favour of disorder sometimes not - hypocritical!)

At a National or International level I don’t want to see military action and believe all countries would react the same way as we have. Let them protest until it leads to a blockade and affects working people, then escalate.
I would back France to do the same to us if we blockaded their ports
 
Curryman said:
The French have quite a large coastline and yet keep saying they have nowhere to fish!
They say they expected things to continue as normal after Brexit, yet, won't accept our shellfish after downgrading our waters from class A to class B.
It was they who closed the border before Christmas, without warning, causing havoc on both sides of the channel.
They demand that we help them bail out the Eurostar because it's apparently in trouble, but it belongs to them. Would they be rushing to share the profits with us had they made a vast amount. more than expected? I don't think so.
One of their boats has been seen ramming into a Jersey boat, is that not escalation?
Macron has been celebrating the life of Napoleon recently, the man who was the forerunner to Hitler in early 19th century Europe.
So they basically want everything to stay as it was if it affects them, but are more than willing to punish us if we want anything.
I've also worked out what the tricolor is all about. The red is the blood spilled on their behalf by foreign fighters sent to assist them. The blue is for the sea from where the foreign fighters arrived. The white is for what they were classed as, cheese-eating surrender monkeys, Now remind me, who said that?
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You’re right Curryman, we should have let Eurostar fail, it wouldn’t have had any effect on the UK!
 
Are Jersey going to put their hands in their pockets to cover the cost of the Royal Navy, or are the UK picking up the bill?

Answers of a postcard please.
 
Shandypants said:
Jersey doesn't pay tax to the UK but we are sending our navy? I wonder why, perhaps tax haven status means the Tories are helping out, whilst the cretins on here get hard ons.
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Surely you don't need that explaining do you? You probably don't understand the Falklands War then. How about Gibraltar, do you get that?

Shandypants said:
If the working man in the UK had as much balls as our French counterparts we wouldn't be led by the privileged few. The French in WW1 suffered more casualties than we did, but hey ho we won the war.
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Having a lot of balls means you're not going to be led by a privileged few? Look forward to Marine Le Pen taking over our gallic friends next year then
 
Giro said:
Are Jersey going to put their hands in their pockets to cover the cost of the Royal Navy, or are the UK picking up the bill?

Answers of a postcard please.
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No problem here thanks, crack on lads.
 
Just read that the navy are now returning. Job done on the eve of voting to impress you shag flagging whoppers.
 
When was the last tine that Lancs County Council changed party control? Total disaster of a council.
Certainly in local Wyre council I can only remember a piss poor Conservative council all my life time.
So disillusioned with it all.....
 
Chunkylad said:
When was the last tine that Lancs County Council changed party control? Total disaster of a council.
Certainly in local Wyre council I can only remember a piss poor Conservative council all my life time.
So disillusioned with it all.....
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PR is the answer.

I’m not saying that the quality of the councillors would improve. Just that they’d be more representative. 👍
 
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