Full lockdown ends on June 21st AND........

PR3BFC

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The way Boris started his address to the House of Commons yesterday by saying it was irreversible but then saying in his press conference it isn’t irreversible doesn’t fill me with confidence all of them dates will be stuck too sadly.

If it is though, wonderful timing!!!!
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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The way Boris started his address to the House of Commons yesterday by saying it was irreversible but then saying in his press conference it isn’t irreversible doesn’t fill me with confidence all of them dates will be stuck too sadly.

If it is though, wonderful timing!!!!
They are clearly adopting a plan that aims to progress forwards with caution. Obviously there's always a chance that plans might have to change and the virus is the main determining factor and it's unpredictable.
 

1966_and_all_that

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They are clearly adopting a plan that aims to progress forwards with caution. Obviously there's always a chance that plans might have to change and the virus is the main determining factor and it's unpredictable.
I would say that people are the determining factor and their high predictability.
 

Lytham_fy8

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The way Boris started his address to the House of Commons yesterday by saying it was irreversible but then saying in his press conference it isn’t irreversible doesn’t fill me with confidence all of them dates will be stuck too sadly.

If it is though, wonderful timing!!!!
Four days after the Scotland match though.
 

Wizaard

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The way Boris started his address to the House of Commons yesterday by saying it was irreversible but then saying in his press conference it isn’t irreversible doesn’t fill me with confidence all of them dates will be stuck too sadly.

If it is though, wonderful timing!!!!
Data not dates, but the date is irreversible. Not like this lot to give a mixed message. Presumably they're meaning is if the current plan is kept to then that will lead to June 21st, but set backs en route could delay it. Not what was said though
 

Bloodtangerine

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Data not dates, but the date is irreversible. Not like this lot to give a mixed message. Presumably they're meaning is if the current plan is kept to then that will lead to June 21st, but set backs en route could delay it. Not what was said though
It was very clear Wiz, you should have listened to it mate 😉
 

ThorntonPool

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Think we will be in some form of lockdown again before the nightclubs open.
Why is that? I'm genuinely curious as it could be the case I'm missing something here.

Surely if everybody who is at risk has been jabbed, and therefore are not being hospitalised, is there any need for restrictions?

Just like with Flu - there is thousands of cases every year, but because of jabs it isn't as lethal as covid currently is so life just goes on. Would we not be in the exact same situation with covid as we are every year with flu?
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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I would say that people are the determining factor and their high predictability.
Then you'd we wrong IMHO... The Government and Scientific modellers can predict public action fairly accurately I'd say and so it's unlikely that will have a significant impact on plans. The virus is the only factor that is likely to result in any need to reverse plans... So the main issue is likely to result from resistance to the vaccine...
 

1966_and_all_that

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Then you'd we wrong IMHO... The Government and Scientific modellers can predict public action fairly accurately I'd say and so it's unlikely that will have a significant impact on plans. The virus is the only factor that is likely to result in any need to reverse plans... So the main issue is likely to result from resistance to the vaccine...
Sorry x3, it was my weak joke, riffing on your last sentence.
 

Shandypants

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Watching the news on ITV I was somewhat shocked at the tone. It was like this is all over, crack on everyone. Holiday bookings rocketed last night, I don't get it are people that desperate?
Last week over a 1000 deaths a day, this week its June 21st Freedom Day. Let's reserve judgement until the kids have gone back to school. There are so many unknowns with a virus that is just over a year old, the vaccine is a couple of months old, still in its infancy. I hope it does pan out well, I just think the massage is a bit premature to be giving the green light to behaviour that will spread the disease.
 

Shandypants

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The last day with over 1,000 deaths was 29 January, last week seems to be more like 400/day.
Silly me. We averaged over a 1000 deaths a day through January and today over 500. Ok I'll pass on booking a foreign holiday and tickets to the euro finals just yet. Like I said the tone is all a bit premature, the Daily Mail headline today said it all.
 

Lost Seasider

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Silly me. We averaged over a 1000 deaths a day through January and today over 500. Ok I'll pass on booking a foreign holiday and tickets to the euro finals just yet. Like I said the tone is all a bit premature, the Daily Mail headline today said it all.

548 reported but there's always a bit of catch up after the weekend, if you look at date of death I would estimate we are currently losing about 300/day, not good but less than 1/3 of the 1,000 a day you started out with.

In any event, caveat emptor, they can book a holiday if they like but if it all goes to s*** then it's on their heads.
 

BlackpoolWolves

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548 reported but there's always a bit of catch up after the weekend, if you look at date of death I would estimate we are currently losing about 300/day, not good but less than 1/3 of the 1,000 a day you started out with.

In any event, caveat emptor, they can book a holiday if they like but if it all goes to s*** then it's on their heads.
True. You make your own decision and take your chances. Personally, I like going on holiday and have today booked a couple of camping trips to the Lakes this summer because they'll be gone soon otherwise. Am meant to be in Fuerteventura atm but that holiday (booked in April last year when easyjet were offering flights at £35 each way) obviously hasn't worked out. Now postponed until November.
Still hoping Malaga at the end of May can take place 😀

"You win some, lose some, it's all the same to me
The pleasure is to play...
And gambling's for fools
But that's the way I like it, baby
I don't wanna live forever"

I appreciate that many people aren't that bothered about holidays but I love them.
 

southshorepool

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Why is that? I'm genuinely curious as it could be the case I'm missing something here.

Surely if everybody who is at risk has been jabbed, and therefore are not being hospitalised, is there any need for restrictions?

Just like with Flu - there is thousands of cases every year, but because of jabs it isn't as lethal as covid currently is so life just goes on. Would we not be in the exact same situation with covid as we are every year with flu?
I hope you are right. I think the concern from the medical profession and from Govt. is the chance of a mutated variant that the current vaccines are ineffective against grows exponentially if we let it rip amongst those under 50 etc.
 

ThorntonPool

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I hope you are right. I think the concern from the medical profession and from Govt. is the chance of a mutated variant that the current vaccines are ineffective against grows exponentially if we let it rip amongst those under 50 etc.
It's a good point - although the current variants which have shown to be more resistant to vaccines still only give a person mild symptoms, and not life threatening.

I just think (from June onwards) we need to move past the mindset of case numbers & R rates and focus only on how many people are becoming seriously ill due to Covid. If people aren't ending up in hospital, then it's job done as far as the vaccine is concerned.
 

ThorntonPool

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Do we know that?
I’m just going off what I saw a couple of weeks ago.
Can’t remember the exact details, but it was in relation to one of the new variants recently discovered. Essentially just saying the vaccines still offer protection, but not against mild symptoms.
So obviously that may not be the case for every variant moving forwards, but seems to be for the time being.
 
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