Garbutt

No pre season. Rushed in. Just saying!
Understand what you're saying but isn't it the basic responsibility of a footballer to keep a high level of fitness all year round, even more so one without a club? If Critchley deems him fit to start then don't we have to accept his judgement?
 
Understand what you're saying but isn't it the basic responsibility of a footballer to keep a high level of fitness all year round, even more so one without a club? If Critchley deems him fit to start then don't we have to accept his judgement?
There is a huge difference between a player being able to keep fit and being match sharp, hence why pre season takes place over numerous weeks.

Whilst I obviously do try and take a positive outlook on most things that concern the club nowadays, one of the things I havent agreed with is what @voyeur points out above; there has been too many players signed who have then gone straight in to the team without time to acclimatise with everything, including their own fitness level and match sharpness.

However, judging by the team selection yesterday, it appears that Critch may have learned his lesson on this.
 
Understand what you're saying but isn't it the basic responsibility of a footballer to keep a high level of fitness all year round, even more so one without a club? If Critchley deems him fit to start then don't we have to accept his judgement?
I think there's a difference between maintaining general fitness and being ready to start competitive matches.
 
You can throw centre backs into Critchleys’ supposed 90 minute power play, not sure you can other positions.
 
Is our training intense compared to ‘the norm’ or is it averagely intense ie) the norm? That is the question?and if it is intenser than the average intense training regime of a pro club at our level is it therefore predisposing us to a higher than averagely intense but greater than the norm injuries that persist over weeks?

we’re either intense or we aren’t!
 
For me, Mitchell is the better of the two players and so ironically (although sadly) I think it was an injury which helped us on Saturday.
 
What you basing that on though? Barely seen Garbutt who needs to get match fit.
True or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.
 
True or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.
Yates is at a crossroads...he works hard but doesnt seem to want to take up dangerous positions. He would do well to watch Jiminez at Wolves who is a player he could try and emulate. Jiminez is a super hard working player who constantly looks to get into positions to receive the ball but also gets in positions to score.

Im afraid that the lack of goals must be playing on his mind now and I would love him to put that right tonight. If not then there are plenty of players in our squad who can play his role.
 
True or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.
Agree with that.

I'm also wondering about whether we spend fees wisely! Who did we pay transfer fees for since Sadler took over fully? Hardie, Nuttall, Yates, Hamilton, Lubala. Anyone else? Gretarsson?

SRoom for improvement on this front, surely. Obviously wages are a major factor to be considered, but we paid nowt up front for Garbuttm, Robson, Anderson, Ekpiteta, Dougall, Sarkic, Mitchell, Williams.
 
True or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.
Garbutt isn't a wide forward, left winger maybe and he certainly hasn't been signed as one as we dont play like that

We play with inverted wide men and there isn't a chance Garbutt would be used as a right forward
 
Garbutt isn't a wide forward, left winger maybe and he certainly hasn't been signed as one as we dont play like that

We play with inverted wide men and there isn't a chance Garbutt would be used as a right forward
I haven't said he has. But in the time he's been on the pitch with us so far it has been at left/wing back. Not what Ipswich fans and manager saw as his best position.
 
I haven't said he has. But in the time he's been on the pitch with us so far it has been at left/wing back. Not what Ipswich fans and manager saw as his best position.
Paul Ince thought Barkhuizen was a right back. My point is what other managers think is irrelevant. He will be played where Critchley thinks he will add most value or to do a specific job
 
Paul Ince thought Barkhuizen was a right back. My point is what other managers think is irrelevant. He will be played where Critchley thinks he will add most value or to do a specific job
No it's not irrelevant at all. But yep you're right it will be where Critchley thinks a player will add most. Just like he thought Yates would add most down the middle despite history showing that it seemed Yates was more effective as a wide man of a front three. Yates has now been moved to the wide position. Is that because Critchley has now realised what Yates best position is and that another manager was right. Apply the same to Garbutt and let's see where he ends up..
 
Paul Ince thought Barkhuizen was a right back. My point is what other managers think is irrelevant. He will be played where Critchley thinks he will add most value or to do a specific job
Very true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?
 
Players can pull their hamstring at any time, it just happens. Wouldn't think we would be risking players too much without their fitness being fully assessed first.
 
Very true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?
It also depends on who players are playing with. That can influence which role they take.
 
The key is that Critchley learns from his mistakes. As a guy new to management he will make mistakes, I think we all accept that. It's how quickly he puts those mistakes right.
 
Very true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?
But we don't play with a wide left footed midfield player, its not the system we play

So he's been bought as an attacking full back
 
I haven't said he has. But in the time he's been on the pitch with us so far it has been at left/wing back. Not what Ipswich fans and manager saw as his best position.
The system we play has no room in it for a left footed winger on the left
 
Yates is at a crossroads...he works hard but doesnt seem to want to take up dangerous positions. He would do well to watch Jiminez at Wolves who is a player he could try and emulate. Jiminez is a super hard working player who constantly looks to get into positions to receive the ball but also gets in positions to score.

Im afraid that the lack of goals must be playing on his mind now and I would love him to put that right tonight. If not then there are plenty of players in our squad who can play his role.
Yates doesn't have a striker's instincts. Few doubt his work ethic, and service hasn't been the best, but except for one decent season in league2 he's done little.
 
Apart from a total overhaul of the playing squad we have to remember how inexperienced Neil Critchley is a League manager too.
 
So what's he doing here then?

Like a few other signings, I think that's a very fair question 20's.

From what I've heard from my Ipswich supporting mate, Garbutt has really good delivery, but isn't good defender when played at full back. His view was left sided midfield was his best position. And as Phil rightly says. We don't play with wide midfielders, the full backs SHOULD provide the width in a 4-3-3.
If he was to play ahead of the 2 defensive midfielders (whoever they may be) then why suddenly decide that we also need Woodburn, who also seems to be a player for that role?
Then we have Dougall as the sort of signing we need (tall, defensive midfielder) but despite being free since June, we've only just signed him.
We started with Nottingham at CB - a player we all knew wasn't the answer - and then we sign 2 new CB's and let Nottingham go.

We'll be waiting now until Christmas before we truly see players being fully fit, gelling and understanding their roles.

It all keeps coming back to recruitment and no obvious pattern or thought emerging from the signings. It was the same last season too. Does NC know what sort of player he wants and isn't being given them by Johnson and Mansford or does NC have no idea of who he needs and why?
Or will it simply start to fit into place as we go forward?
 
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Like a few other signings, I think that's a very fair question 20's.

From what I've heard from my Ipswich supporting mate, Garbutt has really good delivery, but isn't good defender when played at full back. His view was left sided midfield was his best position. And as Phil rightly says. We don't play with wide midfielders, the full backs SHOULD provide the width in a 4-3-3.
If he was to play ahead of the 2 defensive midfielders (whoever they may be) then why suddenly decide that we also need Woodburn, who also seems to be a player for that role?
Then we have Dougall as the sort of signing we need (tall, defensive midfielder) but despite being free since June, we've only just signed him.
We started with Nottingham at CB - a player we all knew wasn't the answer - and then we sign 2 new CB's and let Nottingham go.

We'll be waiting now until Christmas before we truly see players being fully fit, gelling and understanding their roles.

It all keeps coming back to recruitment and no obvious pattern or thought emerging from the signings. It was the same last season too. Does NC not know what sort of player he wants and isn't being given them by Johnson and Mansford or does NC have no idea of who he needs and why?
Or will it simply start to fit into place as we go forward?
Nice summary. Yet we get grief off posters like Wiz for raising valid concerns. I think the vast majority of fans know that patience is needed. But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to express our concerns. And from what I see most of those concerns are done in a constructive manner.
 
Put Husband back to left back and bring in the Arsenal lad and we might get a clean sheet tonight. Mitchell isn't a defender so will need to make way or be deployed in midfield.
 
But we don't play with a wide left footed midfield player, its not the system we play

So he's been bought as an attacking full back
Which is what I've said.
Very true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?
 
Nice summary. Yet we get grief off posters like Wiz for raising valid concerns. I think the vast majority of fans know that patience is needed. But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to express our concerns. And from what I see most of those concerns are done in a constructive manner.
Correct

We have concerns as when you look deeper at our transfer policy its been scattergun at best

Wiz will always support the club as thats what he does he even supported the Oystons and their policies
 
I too was puzzled with the arrival with Garbutt, because he doesn't seem to fit in to any particular role we currently employ.
He may have decent delivery but he doesn't strike me as someone who gets up and down the field as this system needs.
He doesn't appear to be a traditional full back, so it's hard to know where his strength's lie within our starting XI.

I do wonder if he was signed purely because he's (apparently) talented and was available to sign, with the rest hopefully falling in to place.

Maybe we are being harsh on him, he clearly isn't fully fit or match sharp despite being almost immediately thrown in to the team.
 
I too was puzzled with the arrival with Garbutt, because he doesn't seem to fit in to any particular role we currently employ.
He may have decent delivery but he doesn't strike me as someone who gets up and down the field as this system needs.
He doesn't appear to be a traditional full back, so it's hard to know where his strength's lie within our starting XI.

I do wonder if he was signed purely because he's (apparently) talented and was available to sign, with the rest hopefully falling in to place.

Maybe we are being harsh on him, he clearly isn't fully fit or match sharp despite being almost immediately thrown in to the team.
I don't think we're being harsh on him [Garbutt] at all. The puzzlement is what Critchley is going to do to get the best out of him if as people think he doesn't fit into a system that we play. Surely he's more than a plan B player? Not that I've seen a plan B yet.
 
I don't think we're being harsh on him [Garbutt] at all. The puzzlement is what Critchley is going to do to get the best out of him if as people think he doesn't fit into a system that we play. Surely he's more than a plan B player? Not that I've seen a plan B yet.
I meant it may be fairer to judge him once he is fully fit.
Once he is 100% it may be easier to see where he is able to play. With coaching and familiarity he could grow in to whichever role is planned for him...... if there is one.
 
I don't think we're being harsh on him [Garbutt] at all. The puzzlement is what Critchley is going to do to get the best out of him if as people think he doesn't fit into a system that we play. Surely he's more than a plan B player? Not that I've seen a plan B yet.
Plan B is make Plan A better

According to the local rag
 
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