Gary Madine.......

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Middxile

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......did himself no harm at all when he came on. If Gary Yates is a “pest”, nipping and scrapping, Gary Madine is the cement that held the front line together. NC will be in no hurry to unload him after today. What a difference he made once he came on.
I can see those two and CJ making up the front three. Not all good news; Pool couldn’t keep the ball in the first half, and could easily have gone behind, and I’m not comfortable watching Notts and Marvin together. Even Scott Reid commented that they are too flat. We might yet see Thornilly.
 
He did very well when he came on. Did exactly what he needed too. I like how he had the confidence to take over at the free kick just outside the box. Shows a bit of grit we haven't seen from him before. Laughing and joking with Critchley at the end as well, so looks like they have a decent relationship which is always a good thing.
 
Did what Yates had failed to do on several occasions. Controlled and passed - won headers. Thought Yates did well but needs to hold the ball up more.
 
Big man/little man. They’ll both play, and Yates will pick up the pieces. Little Gaz will get goals if he’s beside Big Gaz.
 
Madine is replaceable but if we can't then he can do a job but as a creator rather than as a goalscorer.
 
He’s just waiting for the right centre half and striker....
Maybe cover for Robson also....
Oh and a right full back
 
eatmygoal said:
did well when he came on, as did kemp. a strong bench is a v good sign and we will really hurt some teams in the final third of games i feel. however, we certainly need to strengthen central defence but i have every confidence that NC et al will sort it.
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Nottingham and Turton were only given one year deals so NC presumably didn't see them as key players, but as being capable of doing a job while we rebuild.
 
20togo said:
Madine did well, Yates didn't.
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He did ok, worked his arse off and he needs a goal. He bundles one of the two chances in, he's a new player.

Madine got the privilege of playing against a defense that has been run all over by CJ and Bez and harrased and harried by Yates for 80 minutes and a team who needed to throw caution to the wind and chase the game as time was running out.

Of course it therefore looked easier for the Goal Machine when he came on.
 
i think when madine and kemp came on it emphasised how much potential quality and variation we have in attack. it maybe some time before we finally hit on our perfect combination(s) and/or it might just transpire that the players fit seamlessly into the attacking system (something we seemed to have the knack of doing under ollie). i imagine we may have a lot of fun in finding out.
 
td53 said:
He did ok, worked his arse off and he needs a goal. He bundles one of the two chances in, he's a new player.

Madine got the privilege of playing against a defense that has been run all over by CJ and Bez and harrased and harried by Yates for 80 minutes and a team who needed to throw caution to the wind and chase the game as time was running out.

Of course it therefore looked easier for the Goal Machine when he came on.
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We all want to see Yates do well. But we can't continue to justify working hard as saying he's playing well. He isn't. His touch is poor, he wins nothing in the air. The qualities of a no 9 are what he does with the ball, not what he does without it. You won't come back at me at the end of the season and say he had a great one because he worked hard! It's got to be about so much more than that. He will know that himself too. He needs a goal to boost his confidence and then his game might start to improve. But his link up play was poor, his meaningful contributions to the game didn't exist.
I've been a big critic of Madine but in those last ten minutes or so he did what he was sent on the pitch to do. Hold up the ball and lay it off to his team.
 
20togo said:
We all want to see Yates do well. But we can't continue to justify working hard as saying he's playing well. He isn't. His touch is poor, he wins nothing in the air. The qualities of a no 9 are what he does with the ball, not what he does without it. You won't come back at me at the end of the season and say he had a great one because he worked hard! It's got to be about so much more than that. He will know that himself too. He needs a goal to boost his confidence and then his game might start to improve. But his link up play was poor, his meaningful contributions to the game didn't exist.
I've been a big critic of Madine but in those last ten minutes or so he did what he was sent on the pitch to do. Hold up the ball and lay it off to his team.
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I didn't say he played well. I said he worked hard and Madine did well against a defence who was tired as a result of the movement of the players earlier in the game.

You spent a lot of time saying Spearing was important because of his leadership qualities even though he rarely assisted, scored or stopped a goal directly, was useless in the air cos he's 4 foot 6 and passed forwards once every other month. I am saying Yates benefited players around him and indeed the player who replaced them by working very hard even if he didn't actually do much himself.

What's the difference?
 
td53 said:
I didn't say he played well. I said he worked hard and Madine did well against a defence who was tired as a result of the movement of the players earlier in the game.

You spent a lot of time saying Spearing was important because of his leadership qualities even though he rarely assisted, scored or stopped a goal directly, was useless in the air cos he's 4 foot 6 and passed forwards once every other month. I am saying Yates benefited players around him and indeed the player who replaced them by working very hard even if he didn't actually do much himself.

What's the difference?
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The difference is that Yates is in the team to provide the end product. Spearing was in the team to be the holding defensive and link up player.Just like Robson is doing now. And Spearing was a good captain because he was a good talker.
And your destructive piss taking criticism of Spearing does you no favours at all. You're better than that. Don't take the piss out of Spearing simply to get at me.
 
20togo said:
We all want to see Yates do well. But we can't continue to justify working hard as saying he's playing well. He isn't. His touch is poor, he wins nothing in the air. The qualities of a no 9 are what he does with the ball, not what he does without it. You won't come back at me at the end of the season and say he had a great one because he worked hard! It's got to be about so much more than that. He will know that himself too. He needs a goal to boost his confidence and then his game might start to improve. But his link up play was poor, his meaningful contributions to the game didn't exist.
I've been a big critic of Madine but in those last ten minutes or so he did what he was sent on the pitch to do. Hold up the ball and lay it off to his team.
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But the hard work that Yates produces is bound to bring us goals across the season. His pressing brings other players into the game and forces the opposition into making mistakes and losing the ball. Will he score as many as gnanduillet? Possibly not, but in my opinion he brings ten times as much to the game than gnands did. The way yates plays will bring the best out of the whole team purely down to the amount of running he does and pressing all across the pitch. It will allow Hamilton to have chances as well as kaikai/lubala/Kemp which means they may potentially score more than him due to his pressing. Finding it ludicrous the fact clueless people are saying Yates has been poor just because he hasn’t scored in two league games. My mind is blown by people on this board
 
20togo said:
The difference is that Yates is in the team to provide the end product. Spearing was in the team to be the holding defensive and link up player.Just like Robson is doing now. And Spearing was a good captain because he was a good talker.
And your destructive piss taking criticism of Spearing does you no favours at all. You're better than that. Don't take the piss out of Spearing simply to get at me.
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Lighten up. I'm demonstrating that people see players differently. I never especially rated him, I never disliked him wither but I was having a semi affectionate bit of banter. Spearo was great at ratting but I always thought he was limited. I equally accept that his influence was important and he lifted those around him and organised. I also think, yes, Yates is there to provide end product and that's fair enough but he wasn't useless and like Spearing his energy rubs off on others.

If he's got none in 10, yeah, I'll concede but I think he just needs a goal.

I'm not 'getting at you' m8. I'm talking about the game and citing conversations we've had in the past. I respect your views and we've only ever clashed over me thinking you'd be better off ignoring Cat than wasting your energy. Let's not have a row over Jay Spearing man!

We won!
 
Yatess is our number 9 at present....
His job is to score goals in open play...
Since his arrival he hasn’t produced...
Can he produce ?
The jury is out and has been out for 9 games now
 
Willmcgseasider said:
But the hard work that Yates produces is bound to bring us goals across the season. His pressing brings other players into the game and forces the opposition into making mistakes and losing the ball. Will he score as many as gnanduillet? Possibly not, but in my opinion he brings ten times as much to the game than gnands did. The way yates plays will bring the best out of the whole team purely down to the amount of running he does and pressing all across the pitch. It will allow Hamilton to have chances as well as kaikai/lubala/Kemp which means they may potentially score more than him due to his pressing. Finding it ludicrous the fact clueless people are saying Yates has been poor just because he hasn’t scored in two league games. My mind is blown by people on this board
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It was his pass to CJ for the first and he forced an error that Bez should have buried. He's playing for the team and the team won. Job done.
 
Swindon fan reckons Yates is out of position in the centre. Should be on the left, cutting in. Mitchell overlapping.

We need a central striker as, cough, Spider says. 😆
 
voyeur said:
Swindon fan reckons Yates is out of position in the centre. Should be on the left, cutting in. Mitchell overlapping.

We need a central striker as, cough, Spider says. 😆
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Keep up Voy, the goal machine is back! He was good for 10 mins today against a knackered defence and so he's now the ONE TRUE ANSWER!

Tbf, I wouldn't mind seeing Yates off Madine with CJ on the right tbh. I'm intrigued as to see what it does for Yates as much as anything else.

If sullay isn't firing, I'm not convinced bez is first choice, first team ready yet and it might work.
 
Willmcgseasider said:
But the hard work that Yates produces is bound to bring us goals across the season. His pressing brings other players into the game and forces the opposition into making mistakes and losing the ball. Will he score as many as gnanduillet? Possibly not, but in my opinion he brings ten times as much to the game than gnands did. The way yates plays will bring the best out of the whole team purely down to the amount of running he does and pressing all across the pitch. It will allow Hamilton to have chances as well as kaikai/lubala/Kemp which means they may potentially score more than him due to his pressing. Finding it ludicrous the fact clueless people are saying Yates has been poor just because he hasn’t scored in two league games. My mind is blown by people on this board
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Well firstly I ain't cluelesss so quit with that shit for a start.My mind is blown that you're a Blackpool fan and have barely been on AVFTT for two minutes.
td53 said:
Lighten up. I'm demonstrating that people see players differently. I never especially rated him, I never disliked him wither but I was having a semi affectionate bit of banter. Spearo was great at ratting but I always thought he was limited. I equally accept that his influence was important and he lifted those around him and organised. I also think, yes, Yates is there to provide end product and that's fair enough but he wasn't useless and like Spearing his energy rubs off on others.

If he's got none in 10, yeah, I'll concede but I think he just needs a goal.

I'm not 'getting at you' m8. I'm talking about the game and citing conversations we've had in the past. I respect your views and we've only ever clashed over me thinking you'd be better off ignoring Cat than wasting your energy. Let's not have a row over Jay Spearing man!

We won!
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And I ain't said he's useless. Read the matchday thread. He needs a goal to kickstart his season. But ultimately a no 9 will be judged on how many goals he's scored ,not how hard he's worked. At some point he has to become selfish and realise for his own good he needs to get on the scoresheet. It's also not about the none in ten scenario either. It's about wanting what's best for the team and what's best for the team is a centre forward scoring. It's his team mates knowing that when they put the ball into the box he's gonna be on the end of it. Working hard isn't reason to say he's had two good games. He hasn't, he's had two poor ones. A good game for a no 9 is scoring goals and getting assists. Trust me, he knows he can do better, but he'll also know he's got to do better. A team winning games is brilliant for the team but if the centre forward ain't scoring regularly then it will have an impact on his confidence. Is he good enough to turn it round? I hope so, the team needs him to start firing.
 
Middxile said:
......did himself no harm at all when he came on. If Gary Yates is a “pest”, nipping and scrapping, Gary Madine is the cement that held the front line together. NC will be in no hurry to unload him after today. What a difference he made once he came on.
I can see those two and CJ making up the front three. Not all good news; Pool couldn’t keep the ball in the first half, and could easily have gone behind, and I’m not comfortable watching Notts and Marvin together. Even Scott Reid commented that they are too flat. We might yet see Thornilly.
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More likely to see Husband than Thorniley who has been a poor signing.
 
20togo said:
Well firstly I ain't cluelesss so quit with that shit for a start.My mind is blown that you're a Blackpool fan and have barely been on AVFTT for two minutes.

And I ain't said he's useless. Read the matchday thread. He needs a goal to kickstart his season. But ultimately a no 9 will be judged on how many goals he's scored ,not how hard he's worked. At some point he has to become selfish and realise for his own good he needs to get on the scoresheet. It's also not about the none in ten scenario either. It's about wanting what's best for the team and what's best for the team is a centre forward scoring. It's his team mates knowing that when they put the ball into the box he's gone be on the end of it. Working hard isn't reason to say he's had two good games. He hasn't, he's had two poor ones. A good game for a no 9 is scoring goals and getting assists. Trust me, he knows he can do better, but he'll also know he's got to do better. A team winning games is brilliant for the team but if the centre forward ain't scoring regularly then it will have an impact on his confidence. Is he good enough to turn it round? I hope so, the team needs him to start firing.
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I said he did 'ok' - I never said he'd had a good game!

But yes, what you say is fair enough. I'm not sure we're using him quite right. Madine did play well and look like he really 'got' that central role and we immediately looked far more dangerous. That said, Yates had been limping for 10 minutes and the Goal Machine did next to nothing in the full game he played in the cup so I'm wary of decreeing him the second coming.

As I said above, it would be interesting to see both of them on the pitch and see how that alters Yates' game. Not sure we will though.
 
Willmcgseasider said:
But the hard work that Yates produces is bound to bring us goals across the season. His pressing brings other players into the game and forces the opposition into making mistakes and losing the ball. Will he score as many as gnanduillet? Possibly not, but in my opinion he brings ten times as much to the game than gnands did. The way yates plays will bring the best out of the whole team purely down to the amount of running he does and pressing all across the pitch. It will allow Hamilton to have chances as well as kaikai/lubala/Kemp which means they may potentially score more than him due to his pressing. Finding it ludicrous the fact clueless people are saying Yates has been poor just because he hasn’t scored in two league games. My mind is blown by people on this board
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I'm not sticking the boot in Yates but that's 4 competitive games without a goal following a blank in pre season from open play.
 
Yates was played on the right of a front the at Swindon last season, according to the Swindon commentators today, so maybe we might see that as an option if CJ ever gets injured or rested.
 
62years&counting said:
I'm not sticking the boot in Yates but that's 4 competitive games without a goal following a blank in pre season from open play.
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In this system, the central attackers role is often to hold the ball up, draw the defence and make space for other players, playing with their back to goal rather than off the defenders shoulder. Yates does that brilliantly.
 
He might have scored if Mitchell had played him in when he was in a great position. Yates is unselfish, a team player.
 
Gary needs a league goal as do a few others, once we have more off the mark strikers usualy relax even more.
 
Not his biggest fan by any means but would love him to prove me wrong 🤞 attitude today was spot on and a goal would do wonders
 
I'm his biggest critic, but I thought he at least matched Yates' performance when he came on today. He looks leaner and ran around more than I can ever remember him doing in a Pool shirt.
 
TangerineTractor said:
Yates was played on the right of a front the at Swindon last season, according to the Swindon commentators today, so maybe we might see that as an option if CJ ever gets injured or rested.
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It was the left.

td53 said:
Keep up Voy, the goal machine is back! He was good for 10 mins today against a knackered defence and so he's now the ONE TRUE ANSWER!
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I meant we need another central striker - as back up to Madine. Obviously. 🤓
 
We’re obviously not Liverpool.....
but Bobby Firminio’s main job as a number 9 isn’t to score the goals - They come from Salah & Mane. Besides the slight (!) difference in skill levels - what’s the difference to us having CJ and one other providing the goals from either side of the hard working Yates?
Yates may end up not being at the level we need but isn’t NC using him in a similar way?
 
Wizaard said:
It was his pass to CJ for the first and he forced an error that Bez should have buried. He's playing for the team and the team won. Job done.
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Indeed but the longer he goes without a goal the more of a burden on his shoulder it becomes. Yes, we're happy as fans that it's "job done"
but I think professional players and managers look at it in a bit more detail than that.
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In this system, the central attackers role is often to hold the ball up, draw the defence and make space for other players, playing with their back to goal rather than off the defenders shoulder. Yates does that brilliantly.
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I've seen him work hard but for me he's not done what you describe as "brilliantl" at all. I think his touch and generally his lay offs have been poor. He also wins next to nothing in the air. His job is as you describe but then you need to add into your description, that after he's laid it off he needs to turn and get himself into the box to get on the end of things.

Loco said:
He might have scored if Mitchell had played him in when he was in a great position. Yates is unselfish, a team player.
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Yep, spot on and I wish Mitchell had done that because Yates needs that goal to get him going. He needs that belief and confidence in himself.
Tangerinewiz said:
We’re obviously not Liverpool.....
but Bobby Firminio’s main job as a number 9 isn’t to score the goals - They come from Salah & Mane. Besides the slight (!) difference in skill levels - what’s the difference to us having CJ and one other providing the goals from either side of the hard working Yates?
Yates may end up not being at the level we need but isn’t NC using him in a similar way?
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I get that, but you'll still find Firmino doing all that and getting himself into the box and on the end of things. But as you say we are not Liverpool and he is not Firmino.

Look, I want this guy to be the answer but hopefully he just needs that first goal for himself to for me, kick start his season. A penalty maybe would do but better a goal in open play.
 
Yates is a scruffy player, and I think he will score scruffy goals. I'm not sure he's really a central striker. Not sure what he is. A general scrapper maybe! Swindon use him on the left of the three, cutting into the box. I think he's finding league One harder than League two. Pace being an issue.
 
voyeur said:
Yates is a scruffy player, and I think he will score scruffy goals. I'm not sure he's really a central striker. Not sure what he is. A general scrapper maybe! Swindon use him on the left of the three, cutting into the box. I think he's finding league One harder than League two. Pace being an issue.
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Agree. Doyle played down the middle for them.
Just as an aside, notice Shaw was on the bench yesterday but didn't get on. And Husband clearly wasn't ready following injury. It's not doing his development any good this. Get him out on loan til January. 😉
 
20togo said:
Agree. Doyle played down the middle for them.
Just as an aside, notice Shaw was on the bench yesterday but didn't get on. And Husband clearly wasn't ready following injury. It's not doing his development any good this. Get him out on loan til January. 😉
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Put that bone down, you old dog you. 😉

I'm a big fan of Jimmy Husband actually, now worried he won't get back in.

I was really pleased and quite surprised to see madine's body language yesterday. It's like someone has had a word and he's suddenly rediscovered his mojo. Hopefully.
 
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A fully fit and well coached Madine will be a real handful in L1. Getting him inspired is the key, maybe him seeing the effort Yates puts in will help. Yates should have had a goal yesterday when Mitchell failed to give him a simple tap in. It is vital all our forward players get on the scores sheet to prevent the Nuttall syndrome kicking in.
 
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