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I see the papers are claiming Neil Young won't allow the BBC to broadcast his show live and rejected their suggestions for the tunes he should play. Stand by for lots of his heavy feedback period.
 
I'd imagine he must have signed some sort of contract to appear there and you'd have thought this would have included some form of tv rights.
 
I find it weird that people are panicking about whether Kneecap are on.

It shows how far music festivals have gone away from their origins and become part of a mainstream culture that the idea of having a 'controversial act' is problematic.

It doesn't matter if you agree with kneecap or find them abhorrent - a music festival such as Glastonbury was once a 'counter culture' thing and now it seems to be a parade of boring middle of the road has beens and basically light entertainment in a field attended by socialites and home counties types all desperate for an Instagram moment to a soundtrack of tasteful and stylish music that could be the backing track to an electric car advert.

6 music DJs banging on about 'Glasters' makes me want to put a screwdriver through the radio.
 
td53 said:
I find it weird that people are panicking about whether Kneecap are on.

It shows how far music festivals have gone away from their origins and become part of a mainstream culture that the idea of having a 'controversial act' is problematic.

It doesn't matter if you agree with kneecap or find them abhorrent - a music festival such as Glastonbury was once a 'counter culture' thing and now it seems to be a parade of boring middle of the road has beens and basically light entertainment in a field attended by socialites and home counties types all desperate for an Instagram moment to a soundtrack of tasteful and stylish music that could be the backing track to an electric car advert.

6 music DJs banging on about 'Glasters' makes me want to put a screwdriver through the radio.
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Kneecap, to me, seem to be monetising and glorifying the troubles in NI whilst being far too young to have lived through that dreadful time. Thank god we have relative peace in NI and if the price we have to pay for that is some rather angry rap music so be it.
Music is a creative process and Kneecap should have the right to say what they think whether or not it is distasteful. The best way to deal with this is for the authorities to ignore it. Prosecuting them gives them currency - completely counter productive. They are not so different from the Sex Pistols which many on here like.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Kneecap, to me, seem to be monetising and glorifying the troubles in NI whilst being far too young to have lived through that dreadful time. Thank god we have relative peace in NI and if the price we have to pay for that is some rather angry rap music so be it.
Music is a creative process and Kneecap should have the right to say what they think whether or not it is distasteful. The best way to deal with this is for the authorities to ignore it. Prosecuting them gives them currency - completely counter productive. They are not so different from the Sex Pistols which many on here like.
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Agreed.

Could debate their merits on a political or musical level or otherwise ad infinitum - point is, they fall into a long tradition of music being part of a protest or statement of anti establishment values. Sometimes that's eloquent and regarded by history as important, other times it's crass (and sometimes literally Crass) and insensitive and sometimes a bit of both.

Once the state starts making decisions on what's acceptable for da yoot to listen to or otherwise then it all gets a bit dicey and like you say, gives them kudos.

The Pistols wouldn't be remembered half as much as they are without banned records and such cos (like Kneecap) they're catchy enough but they don't really have the depth to go beyond being a bit of shock and awe. Early PIL is infinitely more musically rich than the Pistols who without the reputation (I get that was all part of the spectacle and part of the genius so to speak) would really have been a.n.other punk band.

All the festival stuff grew out of the 60s desire to stick two fingers up at squares and straights and war and all of that. It's weird to me what they've become.

I suppose it's only a bit like all the tunnel clubs and corporate boxes at top level football. Shit changes I guess.
 
As I said on the other thread, it's the least diverse (in terms of audience) event in Britain.

White, middle class, Jewish hating, Hamas loving hypocrites of the country. I await the annual, 50,000 tents left because we can't be arsed packing up and "we can afford it" whilst telling the rest of us to turn ** vegan!

I'm not in to music, so there's nobody I'd think "oh I want to hear them" maybe Kylie a few years ago after having to cancel her first attempt ssue to breast cancer; that's a human triumph.

I would agree, however disgusting that Irish band are with their terrorist sympathies, they absolutely must have the right to play in events like this.
 
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TSSeasider said:
As I said on the other thread, it's the last diverse (in terms of audience) event in Britain.

White, middle class, Jewish hating, Hamas loving hypocrites on the country. I await the annual, 50,000 tents left because we can't be arsed packing up and "we can afford it" whilst trekking the rest of us to turn ** vegan!

I'm not in to music, so there's nobody I'd think "oh I want to hear them" maybe Kylie a few years ago after having to cancel her first attempt sir to breast cancer; that's a human triumph.

I would agree, however disgusting that Irish band are with their terrorist sympathies, they absolutely must have the right to play in events like this.
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It's all a bit shit when the things you love music and sport have to cross over into politics.

I just want to see the band/artist or watch the match and politics can fook right off.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Kneecap, to me, seem to be monetising and glorifying the troubles in NI whilst being far too young to have lived through that dreadful time. Thank god we have relative peace in NI and if the price we have to pay for that is some rather angry rap music so be it.
Music is a creative process and Kneecap should have the right to say what they think whether or not it is distasteful. The best way to deal with this is for the authorities to ignore it. Prosecuting them gives them currency - completely counter productive. They are not so different from the Sex Pistols which many on here like.
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The Pistols would never celebrate the rape, torture, murder and mutilation of people attending a music festival.
In fact John Lydon has no time at all for Kneecap either.
 
poolseasider said:
It's all a bit shit when the things you love music and sport have to cross over into politics.

I just want to see the band/artist or watch the match and politics can fook right off.
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I think on things such as apartheid, the isolation in sport was right. Any other flag other than the club/country you're supporting - not for me.

I think music is a bit different. The creatives have often led campaigns for social justice. I think they are all a bit misguided these days.

I've recently come across Bill Maher in the US a comedian who gets it. He's funny and he's even handed and I think we are missing a bit of that.
 
Quick way to push the average right thinking person further away from a cause.

Honestly, there is every chance it's going to get very ugly, very quickly in this country.

The demographic change over the last30 years, the appearance of "one rule for one, one rule for another" and the fact we're all getting screwed is creating the conditions for it.

Throw in the fact that trust in politicians to be able to do anything about it is very low and social media algorithms are going to amplify "your reality" and there's almost an inevitability about it.

The only thing will be is whether it's collective action or just disaffected individuals. If it's collective, God help us all.
 
I've never heard Kneecap but I'd soonerosten to them than this utter crap served up by Neil Young. My eyes are bleeding, the worst headline act ever.
 
Just take a look around you
At the bitterness and spite
Why can't we take over and try to put it right
 
Given the positions that Jewish people hold in the music, television, film industry, and social media, it seems very short-sighted for any band to show that they are anti-Semitic if they want to have any long-term career in music.
 
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Throw your hatred down. A 30 year old anti-war and anti-hate song to close Neil Young's set. Will get no coverage.

Ignore the edgy people who just want headlines to promote themselves
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
The Pistols would never celebrate the rape, torture, murder and mutilation of people attending a music festival.
In fact John Lydon has no time at all for Kneecap either.
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The pistols wore Swastika armbands and t-shirts. In a song they compared a package tour holiday to a concentration camp. It also seems very anti Semitic IMO.
Better to ignore their attention seeking antics IMO.
 
Just seen pictures on the news.

The whole crowd was singing this song not just a few it was pretty disgusting really.

Also people wearing Irish tricolour balaclavas as well also promoting terrorism it’s supposed to be a music festival FFS.

It probably won’t but let’s hope Glastonbury gets banned as clearly thousands took part in this debacle not just a handful.
 
Just posted on the O/T board why is a music festival on this side?

Shameful really thousands of people involved singing anti Israeli Semitic songs not just a handful.

Pictures of people wearing Irish tricolour balaclavas as well promoting terrorism.

What has Glastonbury become? Hopefully it’ll get banned in future.

At least we don’t have to put up with the debacle next year.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Just posted on the O/T board why is a music festival on this side?

Shameful really thousands of people involved singing anti Israeli Semitic songs not just a handful.

Pictures of people wearing Irish tricolour balaclavas as well promoting terrorism.

What has Glastonbury become? Hopefully it’ll get banned in future.

At least we don’t have to put up with the debacle next year.
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In your element. 👍🏽
 
20togo said:
it's clearly ok to promote terrorism then? Is that your idea of free speech?
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What's terrorism? Is what's happening in Gaza terrorism? Or just simple genocide?

A genocide that the British government is complicit in. In my opinion it needs saying, and I admire the courage of Kneecap etc to stand up and say it. It's incredibly brave. Young lads in a country where we have people who hate the Irish, and an establishment that writes the rules.
 
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Shandypants said:
He's tripe
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Never mind, Coldplay will be back next year, with thousands lapping up their utter tripe !
Neil Young always has and always will be Marmite. Personally to me he's a god and a generational songwriter. My wife however, would shut the curtains if he was playing in our back garden.
Music is was it is and does what it does for different people, all down to personal taste.
 
voyeur said:
What's terrorism? Is what's happening in Gaza terrorism? Or just simple genocide?
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Hamas are a terrorist group and the Gazan people are suffering because of them. The stated aim of Hamas and Hezbollah is to wipe Israel of the face of the earth. What happened at Glastonbury yesterday was disgraceful and a support for terrorism! Maybe it seems you're happy with that!
 
20togo said:
Hamas are a terrorist group and the Gazan people are suffering because of them. The stated aim of Hamas and Hezbollah is to wipe Israel of the face of the earth. What happened at Glastonbury yesterday was disgraceful and a support for terrorism! Maybe it seems you're happy with that!
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So what is the aim of the IDF? And what is it currently doing?

I have a number of Jewish friends here in Manchester who agree with me.

I'm not happy with any of it. But Hamas is no more a terrorist organisation than the IDF. Why do Palestinians live in a caged city that is controlled by Israel? Why has Israel funded Hamas in the past? And what about the terrorists in the west back, the Israeli ones?
 
voyeur said:
What's terrorism? Is what's happening in Gaza terrorism? Or just simple genocide?

A genocide that the British government is complicit in. In my opinion it needs saying, and I admire the courage of Kneecap etc to stand up and say it. It's incredibly brave. Young lads in a country where we have people who hate the Irish, and an establishment that writes the rules.
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No surprises.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
Never mind, Coldplay will be back next year, with thousands lapping up their utter tripe !
Neil Young always has and always will be Marmite. Personally to me he's a god and a generational songwriter. My wife however, would shut the curtains if he was playing in our back garden.
Music is was it is and does what it does for different people, all down to personal taste.
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yep, were about the same age Nige. Neil Young wasn't for me back in the seventies but the older you get makes you a bit more mellow and I've come round to appreciate him much more and like him. Same with James Taylor who was around at the same time back then.

Was out last night so will try and catch up with his set on Iplayer but first i want to watch John Fogerty. A bit rockier.
 
20togo said:
yep, were about the same age Nige. Neil Young wasn't for me back in the seventies but the older you get makes you a bit more mellow and I've come round to appreciate him much more and like him. Same with James Taylor who was around at the same time back then.

Was out last night so will try and catch up with his set on Iplayer but first i want to watch John Fogerty. A bit rockier.
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Fogerty was brilliant. Voice starting to go a bit now, though. Saw him in London in 2023 and he was great.
 
voyeur said:
What's terrorism? Is what's happening in Gaza terrorism? Or just simple genocide?

A genocide that the British government is complicit in. In my opinion it needs saying, and I admire the courage of Kneecap etc to stand up and say it. It's incredibly brave. Young lads in a country where we have people who hate the Irish, and an establishment that writes the rules.
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Jeez, it's as if you think that there aren't hundreds of thousands, even millions of people in Ireland who don't hate the British! Did that thought never cross your mind? Would any British group, if there is such a one, be allowed to go and perform in Ireland and sing anti IRA songs? You slag of Jaffa but you yourself haven't got the intelligence to realise that the two groups mentioned were promoting hatred and violence.

You've always been a bit of precious snowflake haven't you?
 
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