Greg Clarke resigns and is replaced by a Prem Exec

Hang him. Roll forward more positive discrimination. In today's world its longer about the best candidate its about ticking boxes. Anyone who works for big companies or councils knows this is true.The worst form of discrimination. I will be disowning some of my Jewish relatives later today due to the un - pc terminology they use about everyone including themselves. Forget there age they should know better.
Best bet would be a transfluid black (non Christian) person who has a visible disability. Sorted.
 
Great points made by Julia there, do most people really believe he should be sacked for that?

The irony is he was speaking about ways to eliminate racism in sport when he used the wrong "terminology"

FFS get a grip, we're losing track on what should or not be used here.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Great points made by Julia there, do most people really believe he should be sacked for that?

The irony is he was speaking about ways to eliminate racism in sport when he used the wrong "terminology"

FFS get a grip, we're losing track on what should or not be used here.
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I'm glad we have some on the forum who are able to think for themselves and not get drawn into this trying to be offended on other peoples behalf.

I have been told that my posts contain racial overtones so what I am about to say will probably be deleted for some reason or other:

A few years ago, Alan Hansen was working for the BBC and Match of the Day did a little piece on the contribution that black footballers had made to the British game.

After they had run the piece on the program, Hansen said, "Coloured footballers have made a tremendous contribution to British football".

The next day Hansen was forced by the BBC to issue an apology for the offence that his comment caused.

I think we can all agree that Hansen was a very good footballer with respected - whether you agree with him on certain matters or not - and would certainly not set out to offend anybody.

He was actually praising the contribution made by black players.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm glad we have some on the forum who are able to think for themselves and not get drawn into this trying to be offended on other peoples behalf.

I have been told that my posts contain racial overtones so what I am about to say will probably be deleted for some reason or other:

A few years ago, Alan Hansen was working for the BBC and Match of the Day did a little piece on the contribution that black footballers had made to the British game.

After they had run the piece on the program, Hansen said, "Coloured footballers have made a tremendous contribution to British football".

The next day Hansen was forced by the BBC to issue an apology for the offence that his comment caused.

I think we can all agree that Hansen was a very good footballer with respected - whether you agree with him on certain matters or not - and would certainly not set out to offend anybody.

He was actually praising the contribution made by black players.
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I think this reinforces the point that Clarke should have known better. Hansen hasn't broadcast for a while, so the terminology is established.

As I said earlier, I think this is partially an excuse that's been leapt on as it's the latest in a series of issues he's been involved in.

The straw that broke the camel's back, if you like, although no doubt that will be offensive to animal rights groups.
 
Tangerinenick said:
Hang him. Roll forward more positive discrimination. In today's world its longer about the best candidate its about ticking boxes. Anyone who works for big companies or councils knows this is true.The worst form of discrimination. I will be disowning some of my Jewish relatives later today due to the un - pc terminology they use about everyone including themselves. Forget there age they should know better.
Best bet would be a transfluid black (non Christian) person who has a visible disability. Sorted.
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He's not the "best candidate" though, is he? He's a walking disaster zone whose position was already fatally compromised by PBP. This looks like a relatively easy way out for him and the FA. People finding increasingly elaborate ways to excuse him are spectacularly missing the...... ahem..... "big picture".
 
Wizaard said:
I think this reinforces the point that Clarke should have known better. Hansen hasn't broadcast for a while, so the terminology is established.

As I said earlier, I think this is partially an excuse that's been leapt on as it's the latest in a series of issues he's been involved in.

The straw that broke the camel's back, if you like, although no doubt that will be offensive to animal rights groups.
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If he's not good enough at his job then he can go and I have no problem with that but we don't know that is the case.

I don't want to get into with any lengthy debate on the matter for other reasons - I have no big problem with your views whether or not I agree with them - but my question to you would be should a very successful person be made to resign from his position because he referred to black people as coloured ?
 
Wizaard said:
I think this reinforces the point that Clarke should have known better. Hansen hasn't broadcast for a while, so the terminology is established.

As I said earlier, I think this is partially an excuse that's been leapt on as it's the latest in a series of issues he's been involved in.

The straw that broke the camel's back, if you like, although no doubt that will be offensive to animal rights groups.
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I totally agree and am surprised that many don't and see his misuse of English as pardonable. Language changes all the time, one would expect someone of his position in the public eye to care enough to stay current.

I think it was deliberate, his position would have become untenable because of hiding his active involvement in the Big 6 project.
 
Got to be very careful what you say nowadays. Old style terms like nitty gritty and sold down the river are classed as racist.
Perhaps there should be a Govt guide on what is acceptable/inappropriate.
Don't remember the same furore a couple of years ago when Amber Rudd described the Windrush generation as coloured.
She didn't lose her job.
Personally I've no time for Greg Clarke, there are many better candidates to do that job however it was a weak excuse to demand his resignation and at 63 can't see employers lining up to take him on.
 
basilrobbie said:
He's not the "best candidate" though, is he? He's a walking disaster zone whose position was already fatally compromised by PBP. This looks like a relatively easy way out for him and the FA. People finding increasingly elaborate ways to excuse him are spectacularly missing the...... ahem..... "big picture".
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That he is not the best candidate is only your view Robbie.

I am not disagreeing - or agreeing - with your view and it could be an easy way for the FA and himself to part ways as you suggest but surely the issue here is whether he should be forced to resign for his "coloured" comments and perhaps you are choosing to miss that point.

Apologies if you are offended by the racial overtones of my post.
 
who actually decides if a word or term is racist i didnt know the word coloured was a rascist term i didnt get the memo should we be offended by the music of black origin awards in america im sure if there was a music of white origin awards the stuff would hit the fan.
 
It ought to be amusing, reading the "thoughts" of all the white people telling non-whites what constitutes racism.

Unfortunately, it is pathetic to see so many people doing literary cartwheels to try and hide how offended they get when anyone suggests that cultures other than our own should be acknowledged and respected, let alone celebrated.

And don't get me started on the perennial racists on here who keep telling us how pure and unsullied they are. Even when they have years of form for it.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The dinosaur resigns over his language at the DCMS
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Personally I'm glad he has gone. He's very much a dinosaur as OP states and hopefully a younger, more savvy guy will step up and run the FA like it should be. The new incumbent must recognize the work and the worth of the many grassroots volunteers and the clubs they represent. EVERY British footballer started their career at a grassroots club and should be rewarded financially accordingly. FA courses should be free for ALL voluntary grassroots coaches to encourage them to progress.
 
basilrobbie said:
It ought to be amusing, reading the "thoughts" of all the white people telling non-whites what constitutes racism.

Unfortunately, it is pathetic to see so many people doing literary cartwheels to try and hide how offended they get when anyone suggests that cultures other than our own should be acknowledged and respected, let alone celebrated.

And don't get me started on the perennial racists on here who keep telling us how pure and unsullied they are. Even when they have years of form for it.
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Nowhere near as pathetic as your continued fake outrage.

Perhaps time for you stop being so mealy mouthed and let us know exactly who these perennial racists that you talk of are.

You must know them because "they have years of form for it".
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Nowhere near as pathetic as your continued fake outrage.

Perhaps time for you stop being so mealy mouthed and let us know exactly who these perennial racists that you talk of are.

You must know them because "they have years of form for it".
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Wow. That cap-fitting process worked pretty quickly, didn't it?
 
basilrobbie said:
Wow. That cap-fitting process worked pretty quickly, didn't it?
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Very quick with your quick quips Robbie but you are never willing to substantiate your accusations against people.

You are often quick to suggest that posters on here hide but it would appear that it is actually you who is the one that is hiding.

I am happy to have a sensible discussion on matters without issuing ridiculous and totally frivolous accusations against people who happen to hold different opinion matters to my own.

Now perhaps you would be kind enough to tell us exactly who these perennial racists that you refer to are ?

Or I guess you could continue to hide.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Very quick with your quick quips Robbie but you are never willing to substantiate your accusations against people.

You are often quick to suggest that posters on here hide but it would appear that it is actually you who is the one that is hiding.

I am happy to have a sensible discussion on matters without issuing ridiculous and totally frivolous accusations against people who happen to hold different opinion matters to my own.

Now perhaps you would be kind enough to tell us exactly who these perennial racists that you refer to are ?

Or I guess you could continue to hide.
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I might equally ask why you were so quick to respond? It's because you knew that I was referring to you, among others. You might dress your views up in the weird form of passive/aggressive posting that you have developed over the years, but you weren't always quite as oblique. Every time we have a thread on race issues you are invariably there, suggesting that we are all entitled to our different views, and that using racial tropes doesn't mean you're a racist...... does any of this sound familiar?

The pity of it is that there are quite a few people posting with similar attitudes these days. We've even got one who names himself after a Luftwaffe operation during WW2, FFS.
 
basilrobbie said:
I might equally ask why you were so quick to respond? It's because you knew that I was referring to you, among others. You might dress your views up in the weird form of passive/aggressive posting that you have developed over the years, but you weren't always quite as oblique. Every time we have a thread on race issues you are invariably there, suggesting that we are all entitled to our different views, and that using racial tropes doesn't mean you're a racist...... does any of this sound familiar?

The pity of it is that there are quite a few people posting with similar attitudes these days. We've even got one who names himself after a Luftwaffe operation during WW2, FFS.
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I replied to your post quicky firstly because I saw it soon after you had posted it and secondly because I was of the opinion that you had made a false accusation of racism against me and you have now kindly confirmed that was so.

When we have a thread on race issues I might very well be there and you are certainly right in saying that you - and me and everyone - are perfectly entitled to hold and express differing AND NON ABHORRENT views on matters.

You are also certainly right that I explain that expressing differing views on matters certainly does not make somebody racist, do you disagree ?

I have no idea what you are on about regarding the Luftwaffe operation.

If you are going to continue making false accusations of racism against me, please provide evidence of one single racist post that I've made.

At least when you exclude me from the forum, you don't tell me that I have been excluded for making a racist post as I have never made one.
 
basilrobbie said:
I might equally ask why you were so quick to respond? It's because you knew that I was referring to you, among others. You might dress your views up in the weird form of passive/aggressive posting that you have developed over the years, but you weren't always quite as oblique. Every time we have a thread on race issues you are invariably there, suggesting that we are all entitled to our different views, and that using racial tropes doesn't mean you're a racist...... does any of this sound familiar?

The pity of it is that there are quite a few people posting with similar attitudes these days. We've even got one who names himself after a Luftwaffe operation during WW2, FFS.
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Robbie

I see that you have returned to your old passive/aggressive chestnut and implying that I behave in such a manner.

Let's consider an example with poster A and B.

Poster A makes an accusation against poster B.

Poster B asks poster A in a polite manner to provide evidence to support the accusation that he has made.

Poster A fails to provide any evidence.

Poster A in his role as moderator then excludes Poster B from the forum or warns him despite the fact that he has not broken any forum rules.

In the above example which - if any - of the posters has behaved in a passive/aggressive manner ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I replied to your post quicky firstly because I saw it soon after you had posted it and secondly because I was of the opinion that you had made a false accusation of racism against me and you have now kindly confirmed that was so.

When we have a thread on race issues I might very well be there and you are certainly right in saying that you - and me and everyone - are perfectly entitled to hold and express differing AND NON ABHORRENT views on matters.

You are also certainly right that I explain that expressing differing views on matters certainly does not make somebody racist, do you disagree ?

I have no idea what you are on about regarding the Luftwaffe operation.

If you are going to continue making false accusations of racism against me, please provide evidence of one single racist post that I've made.

At least when you exclude me from the forum, you don't tell me that I have been excluded for making a racist post as I have never made one.
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I've given an example of your technique on this thread, and a particular remark on another. I'm not the only one who remembers / has noticed either.

The Luftwaffe lover is someone else, I didn't say it was you.

It's a long time since I banned you. I think you were BOYBILLY back then. And from memory it was for the remark I referred to on the Structured Dialogue thread. You keep harping back to that, so I guess it must have been. But that was - what- 2013? Before the board split, anyway.
 
basilrobbie said:
I've given an example of your technique on this thread, and a particular remark on another. I'm not the only one who remembers / has noticed either.

The Luftwaffe lover is someone else, I didn't say it was you.

It's a long time since I banned you. I think you were BOYBILLY back then. And from memory it was for the remark I referred to on the Structured Dialogue thread. You keep harping back to that, so I guess it must have been. But that was - what- 2013? Before the board split, anyway.
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"I've given an example of your technique on this thread, and a particular remark on another. I'm not the only one who remembers / has noticed either"

Thank you for providing with an example of "technique", I don't know of anybody else that has ever referred to my "technique" but I will take your word that others have remembered and or noticed it.

You have accused me of racism on this thread - and confirmed that you did so - and with that in mind please would you be as kind as to provide evidence of one single racist post that I have made in the many years I have posted on this forum.


"The Luftwaffe lover is someone else, I didn't say it was you"

No problem, I didn't suggest that you did, I was just struggling to see what it had to do with me ?


"It's a long time since I banned you. I think you were BOYBILLY back then. And from memory it was for the remark I referred to on the Structured Dialogue thread. You keep harping back to that, so I guess it must have been. But that was - what- 2013? Before the board split, anyway"

I would be amazed if you played no part in my racist overtone ban but fair enough, I have not seen your comments on the Structured Dialogue thread and if you banned me in 2013 that still means that you banned me.

There is no reason for me to have ever been banned from posting on this forum, I don't think I am ever going to win "Poster of the Year" and I won't figure to high on list of peoples popular posters but my crime is that people disagree with the views that I express and not that I make abhorrent posts.

I guess I should have just said, please kindly refrain from making completely false accusations against me.

I do apologise if you had no involvement in my SEASIDE2016 ban.
 
I am pretty sure I banned you around 2013. Your troubles in 2016 were well after my time.

In fact, my parting shot on Fans Network in 2014 (in the 48 hours I was a mod there), was to ban someone who registered pretending to be you. It's funny how you remember daft things like that.
 
basilrobbie said:
, my parting shot on Fans Network in 2014 (in the 48 hours I was a mod there), was to ban someone who registered pretending to be you. It's funny how you remember daft things like that.
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Was that realistic, who also used the names of well known horses as other usernames too? He was a serial offender! Wonder if he posts on here?
 
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basilrobbie said:
He's not the "best candidate" though, is he? He's a walking disaster zone whose position was already fatally compromised by PBP. This looks like a relatively easy way out for him and the FA. People finding increasingly elaborate ways to excuse him are spectacularly missing the...... ahem..... "big picture".
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Agreed. You have to love the ....ahem 'big picture'
Never mind the Luftwaffe Basil !
We have a member who endorses a brand that many people believe is racist - linked to slavery and the killing of slaves.... Go figure.
I don't incidentally but some do. Hard being PC.
 
20togo said:
Was that realistic, who also used the names of well known horses as other usernames too? He was a serial offender! Wonder if he posts on here?
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It's a long time ago now. But I think it was a poster that you have had some problems with in the past, as well as 2020. Not the chap you mentioned though. As I say, it was a long time ago and the details are hazy now.
 
basilrobbie said:
I am pretty sure I banned you around 2013. Your troubles in 2016 were well after my time.

In fact, my parting shot on Fans Network in 2014 (in the 48 hours I was a mod there), was to ban someone who registered pretending to be you. It's funny how you remember daft things like that.
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Okey doke Robbie.

Without wishing to complicate things any further but my SEASIDE2016 was in 2019.

So well past your departure if so and apologies for suggesting it was down to you.

Yes, somebody posted as GURNPOOL or BOYBILLY and pretended to be me on the other site, I was not happy about that but he/she was removed.
 
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