Harrogate Town Reaction | Ian Evatt

Maybe you should get them attacking from the first whistle instead of 'keeping it tight' bollox.

I couldn't believe how we hung back at home to Reading from the first whistle. All other teams at home rip into the opposition from the off.
 
The players are hurting after Saturday? Love you Evo, but utter bollocks.

They’re on £6k a week. Win lose or draw. In 35 years I’ve never seen a set of players give less of a shit than this.

It’s absolutely shameful. Hopefully Imray, Morgan, Bowler and Taylor make a difference or we’re playing Harrogate in the league next season
 
Totally delusional !! Ian I understand your sentiment and yes we were better second half but in reality we were awful in both boxes in the second half and effectively drew 1 1 against the second worse team in the country !! We are miles off it …. Horsfall free header WTF was that then defensively gives their player 5 yards to bend one unchallenged to kill off the game . You can make the same case for EVERY other player this season 👎👎👎👎
 
He's right the 1st half early on was ridiculous and some weak goalkeeping from our number 2, far better team reaction 2nd half.

The players have been playing with fear, fear of losing the ball, fear of losing. Really weak mentality.

All we can do is hope something is finally clicking, where they're going to be more positive and not worry as much and just go for it.

He's trying to instill that into them after they've been badly damaged by what went before and use that 2nd half as the example and the catalyst.

We had some initial highs after he joined and then reality sunk in and we've had a couple of lows. Its almost how you'd expect it to go. We now have to build a new run and a high again.

I guess we'll see on Sunday. A win and improved performance, being brave and having lots of shots like we did and it'll build belief. Carlisle will have a big following and nothing to lose, so it'll be tough, but we need to show bravery.

Fans have got to stick with and give him the time to make them better and make them believe more and improve.

This was not going to be a quick fix and people need to realise that.
 
La Gaviota said:
“It’s a tough industry “ Who is he trying to kid? After Saturday’s performance, they should be coming out like caged lions, not feeling sorry for themselves. Evatt sounds weak and he’s making the players seem pathetic.
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He doesn't need to make them seem that way - they've managed to do it themselves. If they cannot take hard truths then they should find employment elsewhere.
 
Its the same old lines that all managers roll out in a bad run, stick together, hard work, I saw positive signs. They all say the same things.

I'm not sure he believed what he was saying!
 
We used to be a mentally strong fanbase, doesn't seem it anymore, just look at the replies on this thread. He says it, times like this the players need the fans onside as much as we can be.

We know what players we've got and we've got to try and give them confidence, that's what hes trying to do.

Evatt is mentality strong and knows what needs to be done. He's probably not really bothered in the grand scheme of things about this cup and neither are many, we know the league is more important and even the fa cup more than this.

As he said if he keeps blasting the players that won't work and if fans are booing that won't help either.

They started terribly tonight and are having a mini poor run, they've been in that most the season. He's trying to get them to push through the fear barrier and 2nd half if we can apply that mentality to games going forward, we'll improve.
 
Evo cant say what he really thinks after tonight and Saturday’s non performances.

He is using caution with his words because he cannot afford to lose these players completely. So he highlights an improved second half as something to motivate the players to get out of this slump.

This is a side of management that has evolved over recent years.Gone are the days where you can tear into these modern footballers.As much as you really want to it’s counter productive.

Even back in Evo’s playing days a manager could’ve publicly called out a weak set of players in the media and there wouldn’t be the sulking or the phoning the agent and whining or conspiring as a squad to get the manager sacked.

To be a manager now you’ve almost got to be as good of a psychologist as a football coach. You can see Evo carefully selecting his next words. I think I know what he really thinks of this set of players current mentality but he can’t say it out loud and he shouldn’t do either.

It’s a similar situation with the supporters.He knows an intimidating atmosphere has a big part to play and he knows he is at a club that can produce that. He is quickly finding out this place is not 2010-2012 mentality in the stands anymore and when the players heads drop so do the fans.Not the Bloomfield Evo remembers.He will look at the Cardiff game and how we contributed to that from the stands and then he looks at Saturday and how we contributed to that aswell. He is right the players need us now more than ever and we can play a part.We can be a leveller. The players do feed off it. Sarcastically cheering Ihiekwe off the pitch isn’t helping anybody connected to Blackpool. Let’s get back to making noise even when we concede.Thats what is unique about our support and Evo knows it’s something that can be tapped into.

We have a while before our next home league game so something to plan and build up to as a group of supporters.

We have a part to play or we can sit with our heads down in the North and complain we aren’t being entertained enough.
 
JJpool said:
We used to be a mentally strong fanbase, doesn't seem it anymore, just look at the replies on this thread. He says it, times like this the players need the fans onside as much as we can be.

We know what players we've got and we've got to try and give them confidence, that's what hes trying to do.

Evatt is mentality strong and knows what needs to be done. He's probably not really bothered in the grand scheme of things about this cup and neither are many, we know the league is more important and even the fa cup more than this.

As he said if he keeps blasting the players that won't work and if fans are booing that won't help either.

They started terribly tonight and are having a mini poor run, they've been in that most the season. He's trying to get them to push through the fear barrier and 2nd half if we can apply that mentality to games going forward, we'll improve.
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I think a lot of that is a lot of bollocks and some of it is right. But they have to meet them half way in terms of effort and commitment and there are a substantial amount of players not meeting the fans half way.

We can forgive quality but the bare minimum isn’t being done. We got battered by Harrogate tonight by players mostly paid two or three times as much per player.

Booing and screaming abuse in person is counter productive mind.
 
I noticed Evos voice was nearly gone after half-time when shouting instructions. They definitely got more than a few stern words. I can’t imagine how frustrating it is watching that unfold before your eyes after working hard all week to make a difference. Especially when he knows what it means to wear the shirt, the lack of pride and passion from most will sicken him to the core. I have faith he will suss those out very quickly and get them gone as soon as humanly possible.
 
Seaside Aggro said:
Bolton fans warned us he liked possession. Another game around the 60% mark.
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Comments like this are just odd IMO, possession is not why we lost, when you're dominating a team trying to score you'll often have more possession.

It was starting like crap amd not doing the basics.

Teams learning a new passing style can often show elements of what they've learnt but not putting it all together and finishing chances or quite finishing moves, that takes time to build the complete performance, especially of starting in a season with players with no confidence and some limited players too.

Harrogate being ahead and us pushing would always lead to us having for possession.
 
JJpool said:
We used to be a mentally strong fanbase, doesn't seem it anymore, just look at the replies on this thread. He says it, times like this the players need the fans onside as much as we can be.

We know what players we've got and we've got to try and give them confidence, that's what hes trying to do.

Evatt is mentality strong and knows what needs to be done. He's probably not really bothered in the grand scheme of things about this cup and neither are many, we know the league is more important and even the fa cup more than this.

As he said if he keeps blasting the players that won't work and if fans are booing that won't help either.

They started terribly tonight and are having a mini poor run, they've been in that most the season. He's trying to get them to push through the fear barrier and 2nd half if we can apply that mentality to games going forward, we'll improve.
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The players have their chance to get the fans onside in the first minute of every single game.
 
Ormergod said:
Evo cant say what he really thinks after tonight and Saturday’s non performances.

He is using caution with his words because he cannot afford to lose these players completely. So he highlights an improved second half as something to motivate the players to get out of this slump.

This is a side of management that has evolved over recent years.Gone are the days where you can tear into these modern footballers.As much as you really want to it’s counter productive.

Even back in Evo’s playing days a manager could’ve publicly called out a weak set of players in the media and there wouldn’t be the sulking or the phoning the agent and whining or conspiring as a squad to get the manager sacked.

To be a manager now you’ve almost got to be as good of a psychologist as a football coach. You can see Evo carefully selecting his next words. I think I know what he really thinks of this set of players current mentality but he can’t say it out loud and he shouldn’t do either.

It’s a similar situation with the supporters.He knows an intimidating atmosphere has a big part to play and he knows he is at a club that can produce that. He is quickly finding out this place is not 2010-2012 mentality in the stands anymore and when the players heads drop so do the fans.Not the Bloomfield Evo remembers.He will look at the Cardiff game and how we contributed to that from the stands and then he looks at Saturday and how we contributed to that aswell. He is right the players need us now more than ever and we can play a part.We can be a leveller. The players do feed off it. Sarcastically cheering Ihiekwe off the pitch isn’t helping anybody connected to Blackpool. Let’s get back to making noise even when we concede.Thats what is unique about our support and Evo knows it’s something that can be tapped into.

We have a while before our next home league game so something to plan and build up to as a group of supporters.

We have a part to play or we can sit with our heads down in the North and complain we aren’t being entertained enough.
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We can't sulk our way out of this.

Of course it's not what any of us want, no one wanted to get beat tonight, however sometimes you need a few knocks to finally flip a switch and to think, you know what, we've been losing anyway most the season, let's just go for this, for them to rrally biy into what he's saying, we lose the ball so what win it back, miss a chance so what, take the next one.

That's what hes trying to instill and of course that's not easy to do and doesn’t just magically happen to a team of some limited players who we're basically at rock bottom.

People call it deluded but I'd rather hear him say yes this first bit was rubbish, not acceptable BUT then this reaction is what we need.

You know who else could have been considered deluded, Holloway, but once he managed to pass on his mentality and belief he got a bunch of largely journeyman players to believe and play to their max.
 
Tr33frog said:
The players have their chance to get the fans onside in the first minute of every single game.
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Yep and they've failed many times this season, we've had a mixed bag of performances and results under Evatt so far and need to lift them again, there's been more improvements overall since he came in than early season, although we havent alwayspit all elementsof what evee learned together, it was always likely to be up and down in this period.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I think a lot of that is a lot of bollocks and some of it is right. But they have to meet them half way in terms of effort and commitment and there are a substantial amount of players not meeting the fans half way.

We can forgive quality but the bare minimum isn’t being done. We got battered by Harrogate tonight by players mostly paid two or three times as much per player.

Booing and screaming abuse in person is counter productive mind.
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Maybe there was a bif of sulking, complacency and lack of respect for the competition.

I think generally since he's come in the effort has been there, but we've been let down by some weak links, not much choice, and some players had fallen back to their previous state a bit when things got tough.

Which makes sense, as if things don't quite go their way, given how the season went and the mental weakness, many reverted. He's now trying to lift them back out of it and show them how to push through and play a more fearless brand and he'll use that 2nd half as the example. He'll probably be saying if we can do that from the off fans will then be behind us fully, then it can bring some energy into the crowd, which in turn pushes the players.
 
JJpool said:
We can't sulk our way out of this.

Of course it's not what any of us want, no one wanted to get beat tonight, however sometimes you need a few knocks to finally flip a switch and to think, you know what, we've been losing anyway most the season, let's just go for this, for them to rrally biy into what he's saying, we lose the ball so what win it back, miss a chance so what, take the next one.

That's what hes trying to instill and of course that's not easy to do and doesn’t just magically happen to a team of some limited players who we're basically at rock bottom.

People call it deluded but I'd rather hear him say yes this first bit was rubbish, not acceptable BUT then this reaction is what we need.

You know who else could have been considered deluded, Holloway, but once he managed to pass on his mentality and belief he got a bunch of largely journeyman players to believe and play to their max.
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Did you actually watch this game, because we might as well have not come out onto the pitch for the first 20 minutes. It was that bad.
 
Sooty59 said:
Did you actually watch this game, because we might as well have not come out onto the pitch for the first 20 minutes. It was that bad.
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The first half of the first half was terrible, thats been said, he said that but is trying to build performances based on what we did 2nd half and going for it.
 
JJpool said:
He's right the 1st half early on was ridiculous and some weak goalkeeping from our number 2, far better team reaction 2nd half.

The players have been playing with fear, fear of losing the ball, fear of losing. Really weak mentality.

All we can do is hope something is finally clicking, where they're going to be more positive and not worry as much and just go for it.

He's trying to instill that into them after they've been badly damaged by what went before and use that 2nd half as the example and the catalyst.

We had some initial highs after he joined and then reality sunk in and we've had a couple of lows. Its almost how you'd expect it to go. We now have to build a new run and a high again.

I guess we'll see on Sunday. A win and improved performance, being brave and having lots of shots like we did and it'll build belief. Carlisle will have a big following and nothing to lose, so it'll be tough, but we need to show bravery.

Fans have got to stick with and give him the time to make them better and make them believe more and improve.

This was not going to be a quick fix and people need to realise that.
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Good post
 
JJpool said:
The first half of the first half was terrible, thats been said, he said that but is trying to build performances based on what we did 2nd half and going for it.
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You didn't obviously watch us playing a near relegation outfit in the league below. I get Evatt being careful with his words in public, I wonder if they got the hairdryer treatment at HT. This season I have witnessed some of the worst & pathetic non performances I've ever seen. It looks like we've brought in some of the poorest players who we were pleased to lure to us apparently. I can't say any of our current crop of additions fills me with any confidence. Sorry but I'm getting fed up with it.
 
I agree with those who are saying Evatt has to react in public in a certain way. I just hope that in the dressing room there is an honesty that allows him to say they are letting everyone down. I know there is a time for an arm round the shoulder but there is also a time for hard truths and yes sometimes a need for a bollocking. I do hope Evatt can get that mix right.

For 40 minutes we were woeful. We were lucky to be going in at 3-1. That was a side of 1st team seniors, many playing for their places, who looked disinterested, lost and lethargic for nearly all of that first half.

A half time talking to and bringing on a holding midfielder in Brown did help things and we were almost reasonable second half. However Harrogate had also stepped off the gas a little so it’s hard to say all the credit for the second half belongs to our lot. I don’t actually care we are out of that competition, we’ve bigger fish to fry this season now, but I am annoyed with the manner of the last two batterings.

I don’t boo players at games, but I struggle giving my full throated backing when players continually give us nothing to support. These are people whose profession is what most people dream of doing. How can anyone not be motivated by that?! I think many of us have already given this side way more support than their efforts have deserved. Evatt would do well to remind the players of that before Sunday.
 
Tangerine1953! said:
I love Evatt one of my favourite ever Blackpool players. But I just can’t see how he thinks this is better? We’ve just been beaten 4-2 by a team 23rd in the lower division.
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We were by far the better team second half ,so I can see where he is coming from. I also think that the Blackpool players thought that they were just going to turn up and win this ,because of how Harrogate are struggling a division below and we put our first team out . I think they got a shock .
 
Seaside Aggro said:
Bolton fans warned us he liked possession. Another game around the 60% mark.
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Thing is, there's nothing wrong with possession-based football, if it's done correctly.

Dicking around with it at the back, doing nothing with it, inviting pressure, having possession "for the sake" of having possession is utterly meaningless.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I think a lot of that is a lot of bollocks and some of it is right. But they have to meet them half way in terms of effort and commitment and there are a substantial amount of players not meeting the fans half way.

We can forgive quality but the bare minimum isn’t being done. We got battered by Harrogate tonight by players mostly paid two or three times as much per player.

Booing and screaming abuse in person is counter productive mind.
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Tell CJ you can forgive quality .
 
Athers said:
The players are hurting after Saturday? Love you Evo, but utter bollocks.

They’re on £6k a week. Win lose or draw. In 35 years I’ve never seen a set of players give less of a shit than this.

It’s absolutely shameful. Hopefully Imray, Morgan, Bowler and Taylor make a difference or we’re playing Harrogate in the league next season
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Missing the main man Ennis in that list of players making a difference
 
JJpool said:
He's right the 1st half early on was ridiculous and some weak goalkeeping from our number 2, far better team reaction 2nd half.

The players have been playing with fear, fear of losing the ball, fear of losing. Really weak mentality.

All we can do is hope something is finally clicking, where they're going to be more positive and not worry as much and just go for it.

He's trying to instill that into them after they've been badly damaged by what went before and use that 2nd half as the example and the catalyst.

We had some initial highs after he joined and then reality sunk in and we've had a couple of lows. Its almost how you'd expect it to go. We now have to build a new run and a high again.

I guess we'll see on Sunday. A win and improved performance, being brave and having lots of shots like we did and it'll build belief. Carlisle will have a big following and nothing to lose, so it'll be tough, but we need to show bravery.

Fans have got to stick with and give him the time to make them better and make them believe more and improve.

This was not going to be a quick fix and people need to realise that.
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Not too many are critical of Evo at the moment, we have a team full of can't be arsed under achievers.
I think he will be glad to see the back of some of this squad, but we do need to be patient as it will take time to weed out the dross unfortunately.
The recruitment team should go before Jan, bring in ex players/coaches who care like Thommo to scout talent.
 
Sooty59 said:
You didn't obviously watch us playing a near relegation outfit in the league below. I get Evatt being careful with his words in public, I wonder if they got the hairdryer treatment at HT. This season I have witnessed some of the worst & pathetic non performances I've ever seen. It looks like we've brought in some of the poorest players who we were pleased to lure to us apparently. I can't say any of our current crop of additions fills me with any confidence. Sorry but I'm getting fed up with it.
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Yes it was poor at first but it was also our 2nd string GK who doesn't inspire, a makeshift midfield. He got a reaction 2nd half as opposed to against Reading where they just folded and didn't have anything about them to be able to come back from losing a goal.

We know we've got some players who might not be starting right now and some that don't seem good enough, but weve got what weve got, no point crying about it. They can still play above themselves and in a way that like 2nd half, we have shots and create. Then it's about taking those chances.
 
JJpool said:
Yes it was poor at first but it was also our 2nd string GK who doesn't inspire, a makeshift midfield. He got a reaction 2nd half as opposed to against Reading where they just folded and didn't have anything about them to be able to come back from losing a goal.

We know we've got some players who might not be starting right now and some that don't seem good enough, but weve got what weve got, no point crying about it. They can still play above themselves and in a way that like 2nd half, we have shots and create. Then it's about taking those chances.
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I wish I shared your enthusiasm. I’ll continue to use my ST when I’m around which won’t be until Boxing Day. As for Sundays game I’m going for a few beers with a friend & don’t want it spoiled by a game of football. Stupid day & time for a match anyway.
 
Blackpool_Gaz said:
Maybe you should get them attacking from the first whistle instead of 'keeping it tight' bollox.

I couldn't believe how we hung back at home to Reading from the first whistle. All other teams at home rip into the opposition from the off.
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I thought the first 20 minutes against Reading we looked decent, it got progressively worse from that point.
Not sure that equates to sitting back from the first whistle.
 
Sooty59 said:
I wish I shared your enthusiasm. I’ll continue to use my ST when I’m around which won’t be until Boxing Day. As for Sundays game I’m going for a few beers with a friend & don’t want it spoiled by a game of football. Stupid day & time for a match anyway.
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As poor as it was to let those goals in, even with BPF in net at least 1 wouldn't have happened, maybe 2. With actual midfielders in midfield we wouldn't have been so weak to slice through either.

It was an efl game giving some players minutes.
 
JJpool said:
As poor as it was to let those goals in, even with BPF in net at least 1 wouldn't have happened, maybe 2. With actual midfielders in midfield we wouldn't have been so weak to slice through either.

It was an efl game giving some players minutes.
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I get the Husband game time, but the centre backs mmmm & only one midfielder & fcuk knows how many wingers that's down to recruitment & Evatt for selecting them. It was a total disaster. Oh I forgot about that fcuking goalkeeper who constantly looks frightened to death. (shakes head in despair)
 
Sooty59 said:
I get the Husband game time, but the centre backs mmmm & only one midfielder & fcuk knows how many wingers that's down to recruitment & Evatt for selecting them. It was a total disaster. Oh I forgot about that fcuking goalkeeper who constantly looks frightened to death. (shakes head in despair)
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It was to give them time in an efl trophy game and it still should have been enough, but for the dreadful start.

One of those games where every mistake was pounced upon and every shot almost went in, due to poor defending and keeper.
 
JJpool said:
It was to give them time in an efl trophy game and it still should have been enough, but for the dreadful start.

One of those games where every mistake was pounced upon and every shot almost went in, due to poor defending and keeper.
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We made Harrogate look like Man City. We might as well have put Bloxham & Fletcher as centre backs, Banks & Hansson as RB & LB. Evans in goals Brown, Husband & Horsefall in midfield with CJ, BPF & Ravizolli up front.
Just had a mental image of Ravizolli taking a penalty & skimming the corner flag 😂
 
Sooty59 said:
We made Harrogate look like Man City. We might as well have put Bloxham & Fletcher as centre backs, Banks & Hansson as RB & LB. Evans in goals Brown, Husband & Horsefall in midfield with CJ, BPF & Ravizolli up front.
Just had a mental image of Ravizolli taking a penalty & skimming the corner flag
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Ahh well we're out, anyone really care? More important cup coming up and then the far more important league.
 
JJpool said:
Ahh well we're out, anyone really care? More important cup coming up and then the far more important league.
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If we’d played mostly the kids then no I wouldn’t care. But that shambles was 1st team player’s apart from that goalkeeper. I think Evatt needs to cobble together the best of what we’ve got in some form or another that plays to their strengths & sod his ideas at least for now.
 
Sooty59 said:
If we’d played mostly the kids then no I wouldn’t care. But that shambles was 1st team player’s apart from that goalkeeper. I think Evatt needs to cobble together the best of what we’ve got in some form or another that plays to their strengths & sod his ideas at least for now.
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Blackpool_Gaz said:
Maybe you should get them attacking from the first whistle instead of 'keeping it tight' bollox.

I couldn't believe how we hung back at home to Reading from the first whistle. All other teams at home rip into the opposition from the off.
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It was a very negative starting 11, Bloxham and Fletcher as front 2, after that the most attack minded players were Lyons and Coulson!
As soon as we went 1 down i knew we wouldn't win with that set of players.
 
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