Hats off to Jerry Yates

Dewster said:
We are lucky to have a good choice of strikers. I love Jerry, but, imo, Shayne is the better of the two.
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I'm going to respectfully disagree.....sort of. Yates scored goals last season that Lavery wouldn't have been capable of imo. Portsmouth away and Northampton at home spring to mind. However, I actually think they both have different attributes even though they play the same role. I think Yates can link play better, is a bit more composed on the ball and is more likely to create chances as he did yesterday and against PNE. But Lavery is more ruthless, is more of a goal poacher and can press better. They're obviously competing for one spot, but I think it's difficult to make a direct comparison as they are slightly different types of players. Which is a good thing as we can pick the one that will best exploit the opposition's weaknesses - which is what Critchley has been doing.
 
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Briggsysgonagetya said:
I love Jezza, but i love Lavery aswell. If only one can start then its literaly a coin toss for me.
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It can only be one. It’s a Gerrard / Lampard situation for me. Sure I’m theory they can play together but then the team performs better with only one starting.

Manager will have to use wisely to keep them both happy.

Both work their socks off, tireless and selfless. Screams out what the club is about. Honesty and integrity….. who’d have said that 4 years ago?
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
I can't see him changing them both, we might even play with one upfront, Beesley or Lavery on their own wouldn't surprise me, neither would Madine and Lavery or Yates and Beesley.
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It wouldn't surprise me either but for me 1 up front is a bit negative. We saw in the first 15 mins against Fulham what happens if we show teams a little too much respect. I'd rather we keep 2 up front as a result
 
said elsewhere my biggest disappointment yesterday was that Yates didn't score. Work rate was fantastic and for me he works much better with Madine than Lavery does. For me, Lavery doesn't get close enough to Madine. Think Yates is that fraction quicker to anticipate what Madine is gonna do and where the ball is gonna go.
 
I still think Lavery could be developed into the attacking midfielder role. He has the power and can pick a pass, and would get quite a few goal chances in that position.
It is the one position we do not have options when Carey is injured.
 
20togo said:
said elsewhere my biggest disappointment yesterday was that Yates didn't score. Work rate was fantastic and for me he works much better with Madine than Lavery does. For me, Lavery doesn't get close enough to Madine. Think Yates is that fraction quicker to anticipate what Madine is gonna do and where the ball is gonna go.
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I agree completely with Yates not scoring and put it in the match day thread.

I tend to agree with your analysis as well, I'd just add the word 'yet'

I'm sure, Lavery will get better and improve his understanding with whomever his is playing alongside.

Great to have options all over mind.
 
It is a great ‘problem’ for the club. Both players have goals in them and work incredibly hard off the ball.

Personally I think Jerry is the better of the 2. I’d even go as far as to say he’s the best all round footballer at the club. But obviously that’s just an opinion.
 
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tangysider said:
Agree to differ, I just like us to have options all over the pitch and attacking midfielder is a weakness.
People were saying same about Connolly being played as DM earlier in season, and he has done more than OK in my opinion
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yeah sorry but not for me either. Lavery is a striker who has a strikers instinct by knowing where to be in the box, how to time runs etc. Don't ever see him as being a creative midfield player. He's more of a one touch player especially in the box.
 
20togo said:
said elsewhere my biggest disappointment yesterday was that Yates didn't score. Work rate was fantastic and for me he works much better with Madine than Lavery does. For me, Lavery doesn't get close enough to Madine. Think Yates is that fraction quicker to anticipate what Madine is gonna do and where the ball is gonna go.
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Lavery tends to drift left when playing with Madine, particularly to give Anderson an option. With CJ, Lavery isn't going to get out there as much, so in theory, will be closer to Madine. Also how many times has Madine had the chance to attack the ball with a header? I know it was a corner, but if CJ can get crosses in from near the byline, then I'd probably fancy Madine to get his header away and Lavery, ahead of Yates to pounce.

as for the AM role? Not Lav for one second. Anderson probably could prosper in there.
 
Work rate =100%
Commitment =100%
I think the key word here from that performance is synergy.
The whole team were perfectly balanced yesterday for the opponents we were playing. Coventry could be different on Tuesday.
 
Lavery for his size as very good as a lone striker because he’s like a Jack Russel always pressing, running and giving the defenders no time on the ball like Jamie Vardy plays.
 
tangysider said:
Agree to differ, I just like us to have options all over the pitch and attacking midfielder is a weakness.
People were saying same about Connolly being played as DM earlier in season, and he has done more than OK in my opinion
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I would rather play Connolly AM than Lavery - and I wouldn't want to do that! Not really sure that we need an AM that desparately either, I mean it's good to have an option, but we already have, Keshi, Carey, Dale, and if we were really pressed then Bowler or CJ could also fill in that role... however if we were that pressed then we would probably just play 442 like we have been doing.... 😅

It would simply be a waste of Laverys talents and if I were him, being out top scorer, I'd be ** pissed off if my manager asked me to play deeper!
 
Both Jerry and Lavery could play but it means us losing a target man, but if we played a more passing style is might not matter.

We'd be a bit better at pressing but saying that Gary is intelligent and experienced, might not be as quick but he'll press at the right times usually.

Lavery is a bundle of energy and Jerry presses like a lunatic.

Like I say both can work but seems its one or the other atm.

Beesley could be a key player too.
 
Jerry Yates is good for team spirit. I mentioned a few games back when he was sub he went up to every player when they were coming off pitch at half time and encouraged them. I like Yates and Madine working in tandem and agree with Lavery being an attacking midfielder.
 
We all have differing opinions ,mine is that Lavery will continue to score at a significantly higher rate per minutes on the pitch in the Championship than the energetic but less able finisher Yates.
 
SwannDangerous said:
I would rather play Connolly AM than Lavery - and I wouldn't want to do that! Not really sure that we need an AM that desparately either, I mean it's good to have an option, but we already have, Keshi, Carey, Dale, and if we were really pressed then Bowler or CJ could also fill in that role... however if we were that pressed then we would probably just play 442 like we have been doing.... 😅

It would simply be a waste of Laverys talents and if I were him, being out top scorer, I'd be ** pissed off if my manager asked me to play deeper!
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OK I realise I cannot win this, but what is the difference between a striker playing very deep and an attacking midfielder?
To me Harry Kane plays almost an attacking midfielder role more often now that a bona fide striker and excels in late runs in the box.
Rooney finished his career as an attacking midfielder.
Bowler and Lavery are on the same wavelength and dovetail together really well, but do not like the either or situation with Yates and Lavery.
 
If Critch wants to play 442 then its Madine and Yates up top.

Any other formation other than 2 up front and Lavery gets the nod.

Nice to see Beesley as the Speedy Madine Mk2 , very happy with his debut yesterday.
As soon as Gaz teaches him all the shithousery it could well be a changing of the guard.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
We all have differing opinions ,mine is that Lavery will continue to score at a significantly higher rate per minutes on the pitch in the Championship than the energetic but less able finisher Yates.
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If you'd been at Hartlepool, able finisher are the last words you'd use about Lavery.
 
Wizaard said:
If you'd been at Hartlepool, able finisher are the last words you'd use about Lavery.
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Ah, but if you read my post carefully you will see that I did not say that Lavery was an able finisher I just said that Yates was less able, which their goals per minute this season underlines despite Yates having scored 2 penalties and that is always a better guide than judging on any one game, even against Hartlepool.😉
 
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I was thinking after an hour or so on Saturday what would a tired and defeated defence least want to see. Maybe Lavery warming up before running them ragged?
 
Use Yates’ energy to run opposition defenders ragged and then use the sharpness of Lavery in the last 20 minutes to take advantage of any tired defensive slowness.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I wouldnt give up on Yates Lavery as a partnership...just dont hoick the ball in the air to them...keep the ball on the floor and play the channels. Anyway its a nice quandary to have.
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We'd need better quality through the middle of midfield to make that work if they were a pair. I could see a side where Yates and Lavery play with one other striker though. Thinking of Liverpool with Sane, Salah and Jota for example. (Obviously the Liverpool side don't have the same quality...)
 
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