XBeds-Now-Kings_Meaburn
Well-known member
Remember him ? Now upsetting the locals in Cark Westmorland Gazette
Haythorthwaite
- Thread starter XBeds-Now-Kings_Meaburn
- Start date
tangerine.com
Well-known member
He shouldn't have bought it then.
Jaffa_The_Hut
Well-known member
There’s feck all in Cark trust me so surely any normal local would want to see an open pub/restaurant instead of it being all boarded up falling into ruins.
Moaning Minnie’s the lot of em.
Moaning Minnie’s the lot of em.
Bispham_Seasider
Well-known member
He certainly likes putting big signs up. Not exactly how to make friends of the locals by putting their names on a board on front of the property with a passive aggressive message about them.
TwelveAngryMen
Well-known member
Must admit I’m with him in this one
You don’t want a public footpath through the pub grounds
The reality is that these people probably have rarely used it.
Looks like they’ve got their wish and an empty pub there for foreseeable future
You don’t want a public footpath through the pub grounds
The reality is that these people probably have rarely used it.
Looks like they’ve got their wish and an empty pub there for foreseeable future
20togo
Well-known member
yeh it's an odd one, You'd think the locals would want a pub in the village more than a public right of way through the grounds. Must be more to the story than we know. How long has the pub been shut? Is there another pub in the village?
TwelveAngryMen
Well-known member
Cark is very small so I doubt there’s two pubs
Last edited:
TwelveAngryMen
Well-known member
Southshoresteve
Well-known member
Think he’s being a divvy - if it’s the path on the right of the photo - so what? Having a few people walk past while I was having a Bev in the beer garden wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference to me if I was a punter. He’s now bought an asset that’s not making any money and possibly having to shell out to keep it in order as well as business rates (unless it’s listed) - just get on with it.
tangerine_neil
Well-known member
If you’re that way inclined, don’t buy a property or land with a public right of way running through it.
You’d think this type of business would benefit from passing trade.
Feels like he’s looking for an argument.
You’d think this type of business would benefit from passing trade.
Feels like he’s looking for an argument.
Southshoresteve
Well-known member
Often a problem with people who have a bit of dough - always think they can circumvent rules and regs that apply to everyone else.
The Catcher in the Rye
Well-known member
Sounds like a storm in a teacup, people moaning for the sake of it and digging their heals in.
On one side I can’t believe people would want to stop development of the local pub in their community if someone is willing to take it on spend money on it, would they rather have a boarded up and soon to be dilapidated building in the middle of their village rather than walk twenty more steps?? On the other hand why would DFD be bothered by the occasional local walking through? Nobody else would be bothered by this, and the sign on the pub is churlish. Why antagonise your potential customers?
A meeting of bellends!
On one side I can’t believe people would want to stop development of the local pub in their community if someone is willing to take it on spend money on it, would they rather have a boarded up and soon to be dilapidated building in the middle of their village rather than walk twenty more steps?? On the other hand why would DFD be bothered by the occasional local walking through? Nobody else would be bothered by this, and the sign on the pub is churlish. Why antagonise your potential customers?
A meeting of bellends!
TwelveAngryMen
Well-known member
Think the road on the right is the alternative not the public footpath
20togo
Well-known member
yep it looks more like a road than a footpath.
Southshoresteve
Well-known member
Regardless - if there is a path through the beer garden that’s a public ROW it’s a stupid business decision to board the pub up and leave it dormant. I don’t see many business owners moaning about all those pesky pedestrians walking past their premises in Lytham and St Annes where they have extended seating areas onto the pavements. I can only think DH wanted to extend or demolish and rebuild - in which case he should have done his homework before buying it.
20togo
Well-known member
the article in the paper said the locals wanted a public right of way. That doesn't necessarily mean it already existed. I don't know.
fcblackpool
Well-known member
Deleted the post.
Nothing to gain.
Nothing to gain.
Sandgrown1
Well-known member
Doubt many will use the footpath anyway. If anyone does, the beer on show may tempt them to have one on way back or whatever and those in the beer garden can throw peanuts at them.
Just get on with sorting it out and open it up, soft lad.
Just get on with sorting it out and open it up, soft lad.
fcblackpool
Well-known member
There's The Engine which is towards the railway station. It had a great reputation. A pub in Flookburgh about a 10m walk from Cark RS.
Make no mistake this isn't about a right of way. From memory I can't see it going anywhere particularly. It goes deeper than that.
traffordtang
Well-known member
Maybe I’m reading it wrong but it sounds to me like there wasn’t a public right of way there. He blocked access and the walkers then made a claim for it to become a public right of way which the council have backed. The article also implies that the council could have worked with him to find an alternative solution in which case I have sympathies with him as that sounds more like people having friends in high places, or council members picking a fight.
tangerine_neil
Well-known member
Read it again and you’re correct. It sounds like an application to create one.
If he works with them, rather then against them, his best option would be to divert a safe path that wouldn’t impede on his plans to renovate the pub.
The proposed BFC training ground site has an existing right of way, and the plans were talking about diverting the path slightly to allow better alignment for the pitches.
Loco
Well-known member
Precedent. If he can get away with blocking footpaths, so can anyone else. Kinder Trespass etc
PETER SPRUCE 1
Well-known member
A young woman who i used to work with at north west timber, went to work for him selling horse beauty products said he was a right horrible bastard to work for lasted about a month i believe .
Mick Clarke
Well-known member
William (Bill) Haythornthwaite - Deputy Head when I was there mid 50s Got passed over by Reverend Archibald Lunt for HeadMaster after Benson retired and then retired himself. There was also a Haythornthwaite who wrote some BFC history and stats for the Gazette. Were you there at BGS Dave?
Danny Ocean
Well-known member
I think he has just bought THE VILLA at Wrea Green that Simon Rigby owned.
I think the headmaster was Luft rather than Lunt.
Jaffa_The_Hut
Well-known member
His football team not doing too bad.
Another win today and they are now sitting top of the conference North.
That should piss a few more off.
Another win today and they are now sitting top of the conference North.
That should piss a few more off.
Mick, did 1st year at BGS and didn't like it.
I took the next 13 y.o. test and then went to Palatine with all my mates. My best mates, Norman Parker & Barry Martland, both lived on Charnley Rd. went to 'Palatine' so I just joined them.
The rest, as they say, is history.
Mick Clarke
Well-known member
I did a 5 year stretch, '54 to '59. My alternative was Holy Joe's so stayed at BGS! My brother Jimmy went to Palatine but left in '44 at 14, so before your time I expect
rememberlesshannon
Well-known member
David and Simon Haythornthwaite were both at Arnold when I was,late 60's early 70's.
Mick, yeah. Seems like your Bro is 5 years older than I.
TonyParrsDodgyMic
Well-known member
One of my favourite things was sat in the old car park in the West (anyone else remember that!) and listen to Haythornthwaite on the Radio Lancs phone in slating the Oystons! Whatever you think of him, he was one of the earliest to suss them out!
Festerlegs
Well-known member
Public Rights of Way are the most contentious issue of all where planning applications are concerned. Always have been. If there is a ROW on any site, or has been one in the past, there will be objections. There always are.
Sounds like the H's either haven't done their homework, or because they have made money they think themselves to be important and above the planning laws.
The sign is just purely childish.
Sounds like the H's either haven't done their homework, or because they have made money they think themselves to be important and above the planning laws.
The sign is just purely childish.
Barbarian
Well-known member
I understand you can 'move' a public right of way. So for example, if you had a PROW across your back lawn, there's nothing to stop you moving it to the bottom of the garden and fencing it off from the rest of your garden. I think you might have to notify the council you're doing it, rather than ask permission.
Also, I suspect it's the councils responsibility to maintain it. If it's not on local maps, it isn't a PROW.
Winding up the residents isn't an ideal way to resolve the dispute.
Also, I suspect it's the councils responsibility to maintain it. If it's not on local maps, it isn't a PROW.
Winding up the residents isn't an ideal way to resolve the dispute.