Holocaust : ignorance trumps denial

I was initially shocked by this, but when I had time to think about it less so. This is, after all, a nation that is singularly lacking in curiosity about its own history, let alone anyone else's.

Some of those percentages defy belief then you consider the support for Trump and anything is possible.
 
They should be sat down and forced to watch the horrendous videos of the men women and children starving to death been beaten and the mass graves, Americans are the most ignorant nation I have came across.
 
Very many Americans think the world starts and ends with the US border and don't really study relatively modern world history
 
I suspect lack of curiosity is definitely a factor, but disinformation on social media platforms also a major factor. I was listening to a TED talk recently and a revealing fact was that the top 20 false news stories were read 6 times more than the equivalent number of true news stories.

In the post-truth world sifting and evaluating information is probably more difficult for youngsters, and especially so for those who are not naturally curious or reasonably well educated.

However in a country where creationism is considered a science...
 
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They voted for Trumpy and could be about to vote in Biden ffs, yes they are pretty stupid.
 
I suspect lack of curiosity is definitely a factor, but disinformation on social media platforms also a major factor. I was listening to a TED talk recently and a revealing fact was that the top 20 false news stories were read 6 times more than the equivalent number of true news stories.

In the post-truth world sifting and evaluating information is probably more difficult for youngsters, and especially so for those who are not naturally curious or reasonably well educated.

However in a country were creationism is considered a science...
To be fair, the Bible is an accurate factual history whereas The Evolution of the Species is a theory and as such, is debatable
 
You’ve lost me, are you saying most yanks aren’t a bit dim, or are you a holocaust denier?

Well according the the Guardian 1/20 of the population of this country is a holocaust denier:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/one-in-20-britons-does-not-believe-holocaust-happened

However this got fact checked by BBC's More or Less: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00028cf (it's the first article).

Short version, it's a result of the survey's design and total bollocks, and I suspect today's Guardian article is more of the same.


Edit, and just for the sake of completeness, 6 million Jews and 10 million others were killed in the Nazi holocaust.
 
They voted for Trumpy and could be about to vote in Biden ffs, yes they are pretty stupid.
If I was an American citizen I would (a) register to vote, (b) vote and (c) given the two options, vote for Biden. There's nothing stupid about those choices when the only options are to not register, not vote or vote Trump.
 
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Just for the sake of clarity, you understand, but anyone who supports Nazism should be stepped on, hard. Any German citizen who supports Nazism should be imprisoned. Anybody who supports the ideas and ideals of the Holocaust needs to be re-educated.
 
If I was an American citizen I would (a) register to vote, (b) vote and (c) given the two options, vote for Biden. There's nothing stupid about those choices when the only options are to not register, not vote or vote Trump.
The point I was making is they are both idiots and useless in their own way. Where’s the alternatives ? Just because you would vote for Biden doesn’t make you right. It’s just your choice of which you would be entitled.
 
The point I was making is they are both idiots and useless in their own way. Where’s the alternatives ? Just because you would vote for Biden doesn’t make you right. It’s just your choice of which you would be entitled.
Scara', the logic is that someone votes the way they do BECAUSE they think they're right. If I were able to vote for Biden I would do it because I am right.
Edit: or at least, less wrong.
 
It's a good idea to treat "surveys" and press releases like these with extreme caution, they're often rigged to generate shocking results like this one.
Totally agree. 2/3’s thought that the Holocaust was a myth, exaggerated or they weren’t sure - how do you lump in together someone who believes it’s a myth, and someone who doesn’t know enough on the subject to give a definite answer either way?
 
23% of respondents..... believed the Holocaust was a myth, or had been exaggerated, or they weren’t sure.
12% had........ definitely not heard, or didn’t think they had heard, about the Holocaust.

So saying..... Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust.....means of those surveyed 35% were 'unaware' of what happened during the Holocaust......

The direction of the piece is the fact that the distortion of the 'truth' is on the rise in the USA and Americans (18 -39) don't even know what really happened....Simple question....simple answers

The real scary thing is.....
56% had seen Nazi symbols on social media/ in their communities.
49% had seen Holocaust denial or distortion posts on social media or elsewhere online.

History proved, time and time again that once we forget...or people try to re-write the past....we seem to repeat the same things again and again.......I would imagine that Trump supporters would be quite happy to set up 'camps' for anyone that didn't fit their idea of being a Patriot....
 
Interesting twitter thread on this subject:
This is where the Guardian's headline comes from:
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So 36% correctly said 6m, but a further 9% said 20m, 14% weren't sure and less than 30% thought it was less than 1m.

Crucially:
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Only 1% thought it didn't happen (3% not sure).

So essentially 96% of the population believe that it happened, appear to accept that a lot of people were killed, they're just not totally clear on the absolute numbers.

Really what I think the survey mostly shows is how many people are really bad at numbers, such that they can't functionally tell the difference between 6m and 25,000.

This is perhaps a bit more worrying:
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but again is it holocaust denial or simple innumeracy?

It is always worth looking beyond the headlines.


Edit: I am aware that the link starts with 2018 numbers, but the author corrects them later in the thread and they are not materially different.
 
Just for the sake of clarity, you understand, but anyone who supports Nazism should be stepped on, hard. Any German citizen who supports Nazism should be imprisoned. Anybody who supports the ideas and ideals of the Holocaust needs to be re-educated.

your ‘solutions‘ seem to have a touch of both Naziism and the worse excesses of the Chinese government about them
 
your ‘solutions‘ seem to have a touch of both Naziism and the worse excesses of the Chinese government about them
No. I'm from a generation who knew people who fought in the war. maybe you are too. But 50 million people had to die because of their attrocities. There is no leeway for me.
Either Germany learnt it's lesson or it didn't. If some youths are now playing up the far-right as some sort of romantic past and a future form of racial purity, then I have no hesitation in saying that they should be stamped on.
Our grandparents and great grandparents may not have been racially sophisticated. When push came to shove, they knew what was right about how to treat people, no matter what their colour, creed or anything.
 
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I genuinely think the American's are the most stupid nation in the world
It’s a bit of a crass generalisation to state the Americans are the most stupid nation in the world!
I would say they have had their fair share of stupid Presidents, the present incumbent probably being an outstanding example, their foreign policies and bungling interference in other countries over the decades including their own ‘back yard’ have been stupid. Only my opinion but look how stupid our nation have behaved recently.
 
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It’s a bit of a crass generalisation to state the Americans are the most stupid nation in the world!
I would say they have had their fair share of stupid Presidents, the present incumbent probably being an outstanding example, their foreign policies and bungling interference in other countries over the decades including their own ‘back yard’ have been stupid. Only my opinion but look how stupid our nation have behaved recently.
The issue in the USA is a mixture of poor education, the belief in American exceptionalism and the vast majority of Americans who have never traveled internationally. You can also add in the lack of a national TV network* with a broader requirement than to just entertain and/or make money.

The above encourages a closed mind attitude and a lack of curiosity in what goes on in the world outside the USA (and sometimes even their own state and county).

* yes they have PBS but it is a programme provider not a network so it depends where you live on what is available (if anything). Interestingly PBS is the most trusted broadcaster in the USA.
 
I posted the OP, but to be fair to the Americans I don't think this phenomenon is confined to them. The problem with levelling down is quite how far down the levelling goes.
 
Just for the sake of clarity, you understand, but anyone who supports Nazism should be stepped on, hard. Any German citizen who supports Nazism should be imprisoned. Anybody who supports the ideas and ideals of the Holocaust needs to be re-educated.

Just read what you wrote back, take a strep back - and then compare those views to similar views about others in the past 👍
 
23% of respondents..... believed the Holocaust was a myth, or had been exaggerated, or they weren’t sure.
12% had........ definitely not heard, or didn’t think they had heard, about the Holocaust.

So saying..... Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust.....means of those surveyed 35% were 'unaware' of what happened during the Holocaust......

The direction of the piece is the fact that the distortion of the 'truth' is on the rise in the USA and Americans (18 -39) don't even know what really happened....Simple question....simple answers

The real scary thing is.....
56% had seen Nazi symbols on social media/ in their communities.
49% had seen Holocaust denial or distortion posts on social media or elsewhere online.

History proved, time and time again that once we forget...or people try to re-write the past....we seem to repeat the same things again and again.......I would imagine that Trump supporters would be quite happy to set up 'camps' for anyone that didn't fit their idea of being a Patriot....
Only one third of Americans have a passport. Insular and insulated from the wider world other than to be still fighting the Cold War and China is deliberately infecting them.
 
Explain...
The original series of final games in the 1880s? (I think) was sponsored by ‘The World’ newspaper. So the first finals were “The World’s Series”, The name stuck changing to just the World Series now.

Although like most American sports the winners invariably call them self world champs. Which in a weird way is true, but not in the sense we think of it.
 
The original series of final games in the 1880s? (I think) was sponsored by ‘The World’ newspaper. So the first finals were “The World’s Series”, The name stuck changing to just the World Series now.

Although like most American sports the winners invariably call them self world champs. Which in a weird way is true, but not in the sense we think of it.
Yea Rektseasider..it was a challenge match between two teams from the 2 leagues that existed at the time....Americans do think they are the best though....japan and others are pretty good too.
 
It's funny how we have so much fake outrage on here when somebody is stereotypical about a certain country or religion.

That fake outrage tends to come from the very same posters that create/contribute to threads like this.

Remember folks, it's OK to be stereotypical as long as they approve.
 
It's a good idea to treat "surveys" and press releases like these with extreme caution, they're often rigged to generate shocking results like this one.
One of the American social observers, Caitlin (apologies, her surname escapes me for the moment) often goes to the street and asks historical/general knowledge questions to the young of America.................the results are quite shocking. It doesn't surprise me surprise me they know very little of the 'Holocaust'.

Edit: Found the name Kaitlin Bennet...........Liberty Hangout.
 
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Fortunately my American cousins are staunchly Democrat and think Trump is useless at everything.
Except of course, blowing his own Trumpet. That's not a euphemism for a part of the body. 😉
 
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