How is the second wave viewed

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tangysider

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Whereas people were frightened by initial infections, I think the second wave is viewed more as an inconvenience.
I don't know if this will come back to bite us but not seeing the same fear in people's eyes as we saw in March
 
"Passchendale was less costly in terms of lives than the Somme but is viewed more critically by historians because the high command used the same tactics they had employed at the Somme even though they had failed so miserably. The high command wanted to vindicate their strategy rather than admit it was wrong. Wait a minute, didn’t we enter the 1st World War at the behest of an hysterical press, a “we must do something” philosophy and with a nonchalant PM distracted by his love life. I am not sure what brought all that to mind".
 
I think we have a much better idea of what we are up against now than we did way back in March, and more idea of how we might be able to avoid catching it.
 
I think it depends on your own circumstances. For most of us, not in a high risk category, the chances are it is a nasty few days. Local part shutdowns, a few targeted closures in hospitality, and we think everything is OK.

Then there's my wife and FiL, who have not been in to see her Mum for months, a lady with dementia who recognised some people in person but not on a screen. The chances are she may well die before she sees any of the family again.

So family Moss says wear your masks, wash your hands, keep your distance and stop being Richard heads, because it does affect millions of us. To you, it may be probabilities, to us it is personal.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I think it depends on your own circumstances. For most of us, not in a high risk category, the chances are it is a nasty few days. Local part shutdowns, a few targeted closures in hospitality, and we think everything is OK.

Then there's my wife and FiL, who have not been in to see her Mum for months, a lady with dementia who recognised some people in person but not on a screen. The chances are she may well die before she sees any of the family again.

So family Moss says wear your masks, wash your hands, keep your distance and stop being Richard heads, because it does affect millions of us. To you, it may be probabilities, to us it is personal.
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Sorry to hear about your problems Moss. Hope it works out - as well as these things can.
 
I think many think that as they escaped the first wave and the months since then they can be complacent.
Although I will comply to all restrictions I think I’m probably complacent too.
That said if you comply what else can you do ? Worrying won’t help the cause.
 
Lala said:
I think many think that as they escaped the first wave and the months since then they can be complacent.
Although I will comply to all restrictions I think I’m probably complacent too.
That said if you comply what else can you do ? Worrying won’t help the cause.
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I believe I've stuck to the rules, but who knows because they are constantly changing. Part of the issue is that my idea of common sense is completely different to say, that bloke in Bolton who ignored the quarantine rules and went out on the lash with his mates all over town. I could be quietly minding my own business in a restaurant and he come in and that's that.
 
rockontommy said:
"Passchendale was less costly in terms of lives than the Somme but is viewed more critically by historians because the high command used the same tactics they had employed at the Somme even though they had failed so miserably. The high command wanted to vindicate their strategy rather than admit it was wrong. Wait a minute, didn’t we enter the 1st World War at the behest of an hysterical press, a “we must do something” philosophy and with a nonchalant PM distracted by his love life. I am not sure what brought all that to mind".
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Interesting... I was prompted to read up about Herbert Asquith after that. Descriptions included... distracted, lethargic, indecisive, obsessed, broken-hearted, indiscreet, slow to appreciate the developing danger, weakness for alcohol, incipient nervous breakdown etc.
 
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rockontommy said:
"Passchendale was less costly in terms of lives than the Somme but is viewed more critically by historians because the high command used the same tactics they had employed at the Somme even though they had failed so miserably. The high command wanted to vindicate their strategy rather than admit it was wrong. Wait a minute, didn’t we enter the 1st World War at the behest of an hysterical press, a “we must do something” philosophy and with a nonchalant PM distracted by his love life. I am not sure what brought all that to mind".
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Since that's a quote, could you let us have a link please?
 
Bloody Hell Lost.......I would lay odd's that 90% of your posts end with.....'can I have a link please'
Just highlight the comment and Google it.......You remember Google.......it's the place you seem to get most of your info from...... 🤔
 
I think the initial panic was because it was 'So New' people are always scared of the unknown.

Now we know a bit more about it peoples mindsets have changed. We have adapted to live with it.
Has this made some blase? Absolutely!!
Most sensible people will still be cautious.
Some will not. Its the General Public
 
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Lost Seasider said:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

Quite a big drop in cases over the last few days, from nearly 7,000 on Friday to just over 4,000 today.

Restrictions taking effect or Joe Public starting to pay attention again?

Or just a blip?
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Was wondering the same myself...

It's been 2 weeks since the rule of six was brought in and so plausible that may be starting to impact... That and the recently increased focus might have seen people changing habits?

We've had blips like this in the past though 😞
 
Pfeffel has sussed out Covid's closing time. If only we knew this back in March 🙄
 
Lost Seasider said:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

Quite a big drop in cases over the last few days, from nearly 7,000 on Friday to just over 4,000 today.

Restrictions taking effect or Joe Public starting to pay attention again?

Or just a blip?
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More likely the delay in weekend reporting as shown throughout this mess. After the latest attempted clampdown I would expect the number of new infections to increase significantly. Given that only three percent of new cases over the last seven days were via the hospitality industry, forcing everybody onto the streets at the same time can only have a detrimental effect on infection rates.
Is this a ploy to justify shutting pubs and restaurants down again? Or am I giving the decision makers too much in the way of credibility to have that amount of forethought?
 
Udo_onwere said:
More likely the delay in weekend reporting as shown throughout this mess.
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227,000 tests performed, about the same number as when they were reporting 6,500 - 7,000 cases, it's not obvious why a weekend effect would reduce the proportion of tests that are positive.

Also I can't see any obvious weekend effect in previous weeks, maybe earlier in the pandemic but I guess the reporting systems are better now.
 
Udo_onwere said:
More likely the delay in weekend reporting as shown throughout this mess. After the latest attempted clampdown I would expect the number of new infections to increase significantly. Given that only three percent of new cases over the last seven days were via the hospitality industry, forcing everybody onto the streets at the same time can only have a detrimental effect on infection rates.
Is this a ploy to justify shutting pubs and restaurants down again? Or am I giving the decision makers too much in the way of credibility to have that amount of forethought?
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There's not been much of a delay over the weekend on cases reported really...That tends to affect deaths more TBH.. Plus the figure is down on same day last week.
 
I fear that although we know a lot more about the virus now, it is going to come back hard this winter. I also fear that if we have a bad year of the cold/flu and people get both one of these and Covid then the mortality rates could go through the roof.

I'm no expert but even a fairly healthy person fighting both the Flu and Covid at the same time would surely be in a bad way.
 
TangerineMorph said:
I fear that although we know a lot more about the virus now, it is going to come back hard this winter. I also fear that if we have a bad year of the cold/flu and people get both one of these and Covid then the mortality rates could go through the roof.

I'm no expert but even a fairly healthy person fighting both the Flu and Covid at the same time would surely be in a bad way.
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A mild, wet winter would be good (i think).

Mild so colds/flu are lower. Wet so the yoof don't spill out of pubs at 10 and hang around on streets/tesco extra- anyone remember football matches in the 70s and 80s where you knew it would kick off with rival fans? Never happened in the rain as I recall, 'I want a punch up, but don't want to get me hair wet, so I'm off home for me tea'.
 
TangerineMorph said:
So the measures the Government are taking might be working to some extent. They did say 'could double' every 7 days, so with intervention hopefully it won't!
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Agreed. The upsurge was if no measures were put in place. With half the country under local measures you'd expect to see some flattening of the curve.
 
TangerineMorph said:
So the measures the Government are taking might be working to some extent. They did say 'could double' every 7 days, so with intervention hopefully it won't!
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Hook, line and sinker.

With government interventions, it goes a little something like this -
Cases go down. 'Interventions are working. Keep them and add some more'.
Cases go up. 'We need more interventions'.

After seeing the London protests, the students going back to uni and everyone partying when being kicked out of the pub at 10 (to name a few examples) - do you REALLY believe that there has been less opportunity for transmission?

The rule changes were a bit of Covid Feng Shui by Pfeffel. Shut the pub earlier, don't have 30 mates around your house - 'Errr, okay'. Most people weren't doing any of those things anyway and those that were will continue to circumvent the rules in other even more sociable ways (see above).

The second wave has been no more than a ripple; a confected crisis to coincide with the renewal of the Coronavirus Act. As soon as it is passed again, a lot of this renewed angst and mass hysteria will subside again.

IMO
 
tangysider said:
Whereas people were frightened by initial infections, I think the second wave is viewed more as an inconvenience.
I don't know if this will come back to bite us but not seeing the same fear in people's eyes as we saw in March
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I think it's fair to say that the initial fear - NHS overwhelmed and the country's Bjorn Borg's all full - is not there.

I am sure not all will agree but I'd suggest that many who are still expressing a great fear will do so more when they have their "let's criticise Boris/the Government/the authorities" heads on than at other times ?
 
Had an interesting phone conversation with a sister from the Vic last night. Her view is that none of the measures are going to work and the impact on the economy will be worse for people’s health. Just let’s get back to normal she said, let the virus spread, with advice to the elderly and vulnerable to keep themselves safe however they see fit. If they choose to stay in fine, if they choose to be careful about where they go and who they see fine, if they want to wear masks and social distance fine. It’s better in her view than millions out of work, losing their homes, mental health impact etc.
 
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