Incident at Manchester Airport

[Junior_BentsPlatformShoes]

No excuses for what the police officer did and he’ll lose his job and probably face charges, however what annoys me is the news shows no context and plasters his solicitor who is rubbing his hands together, all over the news.
These weren’t boys set upon by the police as they quietly waited for a flight, so don’t paint them as these poor innocent victims when clearly they’re not.

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

The family of the person who was kicked seem to be speaking some sense here with the BBC doing what it does very well in posting an impartial and factually accurate report;

Manchester Airport: Family of man kicked by police appeal for calm in Rochdale community

The man's family want to make it clear they have "no political agenda whatsoever", an MP says.

www.bbc.com

People from both left and right want to politicise this and use the incident to inflame community tensions in Rochdale where the family come from. I've already seen a few parasitical posts on social media to that effect and it's not good (from both left and right). You have to ask yourself why some parties are focussing on the races of the people involved, it's kind of irrelevent.
It is also possible that both parties are in the wrong, in short the public should obey the law and submit to police requests whilst the police should use only reasonable force when enacting arrests.
I know people want to speculate but perhaps we should let the legal process take it's course.

 

[gjr]

I agree, it looks terrible but all fighting does.

If the police have attacked these lads for virtually nothing then they all need prosecuting.

However if they have been assaulted then they need our support.

Agreed up to a point but they have to behave professionally, if they can't they are in the wrong job.

 

[gjr]

The family of the person who was kicked seem to be speaking some sense here with the BBC doing what it does very well in posting an impartial and factually accurate report;

Manchester Airport: Family of man kicked by police appeal for calm in Rochdale community

The man's family want to make it clear they have "no political agenda whatsoever", an MP says.

www.bbc.com

People from both left and right want to politicise this and use the incident to inflame community tensions in Rochdale where the family come from. I've already seen a few parasitical posts on social media to that effect and it's not good (from both left and right). You have to ask yourself why some parties are focussing on the races of the people involved, it's kind of irrelevent.
It is also possible that both parties are in the wrong, in short the public should obey the law and submit to police requests whilst the police should use only reasonable force when enacting arrests.
I know people want to speculate but perhaps we should let the legal process take it's course.

Anderson from Reform is a disgrace, he's all over this and for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Lala]

No excuses for what the police officer did and he’ll lose his job and probably face charges, however what annoys me is the news shows no context and plasters his solicitor who is rubbing his hands together, all over the news.
These weren’t boys set upon by the police as they quietly waited for a flight, so don’t paint them as these poor innocent victims when clearly they’re not.

This, completely.

 

[Lala]

The family of the person who was kicked seem to be speaking some sense here with the BBC doing what it does very well in posting an impartial and factually accurate report;

Manchester Airport: Family of man kicked by police appeal for calm in Rochdale community

The man's family want to make it clear they have "no political agenda whatsoever", an MP says.

www.bbc.com

People from both left and right want to politicise this and use the incident to inflame community tensions in Rochdale where the family come from. I've already seen a few parasitical posts on social media to that effect and it's not good (from both left and right). You have to ask yourself why some parties are focussing on the races of the people involved, it's kind of irrelevent.
It is also possible that both parties are in the wrong, in short the public should obey the law and submit to police requests whilst the police should use only reasonable force when enacting arrests.
I know people want to speculate but perhaps we should let the legal process take it's course.

It’s highly likely that both sides are some level of wrong here. That all needs to be kept in mind. Seems it isnt being though.

 

[Lala]

I’m sure if the only footage available was of the lady officer getting her nose broken we’d be having a different debate.

 

[no9]

It’s highly likely that both sides are some level of wrong here. That all needs to be kept in mind. Seems it isnt being doing though.

Yep agree although I’m struggling to think of a situation where I would punch an armed officer in the face at an airport.

(If that’s what they did)

 

[585 = never give up]

I appreciate this subject has been exhausted, but just to add to my original post, with regards to stirring mischief, inaccuracies & bias:
This incident started off as a public disorder incident. There is no evidence that it is was in any way a racist incident (the post incident investigation will look at that in great detail). It just so happens that those involved are from the Asian community.
So what were the objectives of the demonstration in Rochdale, the home of those involved (which so far are thankfully peaceful)?
Were they perhaps hoping to influence the investigation before it's even properly commenced?
Hopefully there won't be a follow up demo at the airport, although I fear that is possible.
An active group from Rochdale has now posted on social media, the names of all the police officers who work at the airport. Why have they done this and for what intent? Is this a veiled threat against those officers (many of whom weren't even on duty at the time of the incident).
From the tone of his press interview, the local MP appears to have already concluded that the officer is guilty - without seeing any of the evidence or waiting for the investigation to conclude. That isn't fair or balanced, that is a political stance.
The media aren't reporting details of the assault injuries to the officers or their current condition. Neither are they reporting on the charges against those who instigated the incident. That isn't balanced reporting.
The conduct of the officer will be investigated fully, impartially and independently. If he has a case to answer, then that will take its course.
The premature conclusions drawn and the witch hunt being conducted by some is grossly unfair & undermines justice.
The stoking of the racial hatred fire by demonstrating is motivated by politics and mischief.
I'm now returning to celebrating our brilliant new home kit

 

[Moddey Dhoo]

The Daily Mail is usually a staunch supporter of all police forces under almost all circumstances. However, this what they are reporting today from various sources…

Six unanswered questions over Manchester Airport arrests

The footage filmed at Manchester Airport appears to show an officer on the head of a man lying face down on the floor, with a woman kneeling beside him - before a second man was struck.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The trouble reportedly started on the flight from Pakistan with another man arguing with the Asian mens’ mother. That apparently continued in the Arrivals with the mother being rammed by a trolley and racially abused. Her sons then got involved and the police were called to an “altercation”.

During heated behaviour the mother was allegedly struck in the face by a police officer, at which point her sons jumped in. Rightly or wrongly, probably wrongly. What’s the likelihood that the first slap or punch came from the woman police officer who ended up with a bloody nose?

More police were called and it escalated into the policeman’s attack released on video by the family.

Now, much of the early stages of this will be caught on the airport’s CCTV (which the police will have) and, crucially, the bodycam recorders worn by all police officers these days, especially those who are armed with guns.

So, it’s simple really… the Greater Manchester Police should release all their bodycam footage to clear up the causes of this incident. Why haven’t they? They are citing due process in the investigation and saying very little indeed. Usually the police release their own supporting evidence extremely quickly to exonerate themselves. That they have not suggests it does not bode well for them.

Others who claim to have seen such video, like Andy Burnham and the local MP, are being very tight-lipped as well, saying it’s a complicated situation. I’ll bet it is. Are they hoping to calm down the whole community before anything further comes out? I suggest they are worried it’s another BLM moment. But rumours and speculation are spreading unchecked… like this thread.

 

[Lala]

I appreciate this subject has been exhausted, but just to add to my original post, with regards to stirring mischief, inaccuracies & bias:
This incident started off as a public disorder incident. There is no evidence that it is was in any way a racist incident (the post incident investigation will look at that in great detail). It just so happens that those involved are from the Asian community.
So what were the objectives of the demonstration in Rochdale, the home of those involved (which so far are thankfully peaceful)?
Were they perhaps hoping to influence the investigation before it's even properly commenced?
Hopefully there won't be a follow up demo at the airport, although I fear that is possible.
An active group from Rochdale has now posted on social media, the names of all the police officers who work at the airport. Why have they done this and for what intent? Is this a veiled threat against those officers (many of whom weren't even on duty at the time of the incident).
From the tone of his press interview, the local MP appears to have already concluded that the officer is guilty - without seeing any of the evidence or waiting for the investigation to conclude. That isn't fair or balanced, that is a political stance.
The media aren't reporting details of the assault injuries to the officers or their current condition. Neither are they reporting on the charges against those who instigated the incident. That isn't balanced reporting.
The conduct of the officer will be investigated fully, impartially and independently. If he has a case to answer, then that will take its course.
The premature conclusions drawn and the witch hunt being conducted by some is grossly unfair & undermines justice.
The stoking of the racial hatred fire by demonstrating is motivated by politics and mischief.
I'm now returning to celebrating our brilliant new home kit

Wholeheartedly agree

 

[S88bfc]

Surprised there’s such a debate on this, it’s clearly excessive force.

He’s been suspended and I’m not sure anyone can argue that’s the wrong decision, regardless of the circumstances.

I’m hoping there were some mitigating circumstances that can explain (but not excuse) his actions in some way. Hopefully he can then keep his career but be moved into pen pushing somewhere else in the force.

He will be toast, they will need to show that its unacceptable, but for him to react like he did he obviously has anger issues and probably not cut out to be a copper anyway.

 

[Wizaard]

This, completely.

Agreed, but we can't have armed police losing control and kicking people in the head under any circumstances.

As my grandma always said, two wrongs don't make a right, so regardless of what happened previously, coppers can't kick people on the floor.

 

[Moddey Dhoo]

… double post

 

[Moddey Dhoo]

From the tone of his press interview, the local MP appears to have already concluded that the officer is guilty - without seeing any of the evidence or waiting for the investigation to conclude. That isn't fair or balanced, that is a political stance.

The MP has seen video that the press and public have not… yet. That he is only hinting at problems and awaiting the full investigation is a credit to him. He’s in a difficult situation, I don’t think he playing politics, he is trying to keep the lid on.

The media aren't reporting details of the assault injuries to the officers or their current condition. Neither are they reporting on the charges against those who instigated the incident. That isn't balanced reporting.

That’s because the press has not been given that information. GMP top brass has clamped down and released just a holding statement. They have not given out any details of the initiating incident that led to charges against the sons or the PCs’ injuries suffered.

I wonder why? They have all the bodycam footage from which they can put together the truth very quickly indeed. I think they are desperately trying to publicly manage a very awkward story that could get worse.

I reckon any criminal charges may be quietly dropped in due course, when things have quietened, to save further police embarrassment.

 

[585 = never give up]

The MP has seen video that the press and public have not… yet. That he is only hinting at problems and awaiting the full investigation is a credit to him. He’s in a difficult situation, I don’t think he playing politics, he is trying to keep the lid on.

That’s because the press has not been given that information. GMP top brass has clamped down and released just a holding statement. They have not been given any details of the initiating incident that led to charges or the PCs’ injuries suffered.

I wonder why? They have all the bodycam footage from which they can put together the truth very quickly indeed. I think they are desperately trying to publicly manage a very awkward story that could get worse.

Well worded AK.
The IOPC were given primacy early on in the investigation. Under the very strict protocols, from that point they have complete control of the investigation.
Therefore all press releases must released by the IOPC senior manager. If GMP wish to issue a press release they can do so, but only if authorised by that individual.
I'm surprised that no press release has been given with regards to the status of those arrested or the injured Police Officers.
I'm not surprised with regards to CCTV / Body Cam footage. They will usually only release such evidential material, in cases where they are making an appeal for witnesses or after the conclusion of a court case.
Burnham and the MP have viewed some footage. This is unusual, but has obviously been authorised so they can reduce community tensions.
It's understandable that they would be eager to do this, and whilst Burnham responded with a balanced, calming overview, the MP didn't. He threw the office to the wolves and that's undermining the justice system.
I do fear more protests (at the airport for example) and just hope the instigators listen to the family & any protest is peaceful.

 

[Moddey Dhoo]

Yes, good logic and thanks for the procedural explanation, 585. That the IOPC constrains police comms to the public will slow things up, so I trust they will work quickly and say something to calm people.

 

[Lala]

Agreed, but we can't have armed police losing control and kicking people in the head under any circumstances.

As my grandma always said, two wrongs don't make a right, so regardless of what happened previously, coppers can't kick people on the floor.

Nope, but the lack of discussion regarding a man breaking a woman police officers nose needs highlighting and it isn't really being. This is what some of us think also needs discussing and validating as part of the overall narrative. We probably wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for that initial act of aggression.

 

[GEER]

Take the uniform orf the man and it's assault and battery full stop and the aggressor needs taking off the streets for the safety of the public. I guess even now GMP are trying themselves in knots reviewing all CCTV to find a a justification for kicking and stamping on prone man's head/ neck.

 

[LA 5]

First the female refused to be searched they then attacked the police with one of the men hitting a police woman and breaking her nose. Don’t judge things by what you just see on msn. They only show you what they want imo

 

[Lala]

Take the uniform orf the man and it's assault and battery full stop and the aggressor needs taking off the streets for the safety of the public. I guess even now GMP are trying themselves in knots reviewing all CCTV to find a a justification for kicking and stamping on prone man's head/ neck.

Take the uniform off and it would probably have been classed a fair fight originally as we suspect the original aggressors were the now called victims.

 

[Wizaard]

Nope, but the lack of discussion regarding a man breaking a woman police officers nose needs highlighting and it isn't really being. This is what some of us think also needs discussing and validating as part of the overall narrative. We probably wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for that initial act of aggression.

No discussion, agreed, but charges have been brought, hence the police not releasing footage. Everything online has been from passers by.

 

[GEER]

Not sure I follow the fair fight analogy, did not look that way to me, man face down on floor compliant kicked in the head. What may have happened previously has gone the officers have to deal with the situation in front of them in controlled and proportionate manner, does not look like they did.

 

[Old_Laytonian]

First the female refused to be searched they then attacked the police with one of the men hitting a police woman and breaking her nose. Don’t judge things by what you just see on msn. They only show you what they want imo

Which female refused to be searched? Have you just made this up?

 

[Lala]

Not sure I follow the fair fight analogy, did not look that way to me, man face down on floor compliant kicked in the head. What may have happened previously has gone the officers have to deal with the situation in front of them in controlled and proportionate manner, does not look like they did.

You said if the uniforms were removed, that was the basis of your previous analogy, and in that case what went before is obviously relevant and they aren’t police in this scenario of yours.
You can’t swap and change the rules of your analogy

 

[Old_Laytonian]

A constable is to face a criminal investigation for assault over an attack which saw a man kicked and stamped on at Manchester Airport, the police watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said it was arranging to interview the Greater Manchester Police officer under criminal caution "as soon as possible" over the alleged assault on Tuesday.

The officer was suspended by the force on Thursday, after footage of a confrontation between police and two men inside Terminal 2 was widely shared on social media.

The IOPC's Catherine Bates said she had met with "one of the men who was involved and his family members" and would be speaking to the other man as soon as possible.
She said investigators were continuing to gather evidence and had already secured a "significant amount of body worn video and CCTV footage".

The watchdog said the officer had also been served with a disciplinary notice in regards to "potential gross misconduct for a number of alleged breaches of police professional standards including his use of force".

A representative said the "serving of notices" did not "necessarily mean criminal charges will follow".

"At the end of our investigation, we will decide whether to refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for a charging decision and decide whether the officer should face disciplinary proceedings," they added.

 

[Coinslot]

My future son in law is an armed copper in Blackpool. If he did that to someone already restrained, I'd expect him to be tried for gbh at least.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

A lot of truth in that statement.

Its a shame the lass who had her nose broken by this scum hasn't had the same support and attention isn't it?

The bobby shouldn't have done it, especially when media is everywhere, but when I was in, if one of my female colleagues had been assaulted, the offender would have been given one hell of a crack..and deservedly so.

Strange that some of the posters on here who have shown outrage over the killing of Gerry Richardson all those years ago, never were up in arms when Sewell was seen to have had a massively bruised and bloated face after obviously getting a corporate kicking from the establishment.

...oh, and I repeat, the Bobby shouldn't have done it.it was well out of order.

You're right of course about selective sympathy, I think it's because we all know that there's lots of scrotes out there but we expect them not to be in the police.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Nope, but the lack of discussion regarding a man breaking a woman police officers nose needs highlighting and it isn't really being. This is what some of us think also needs discussing and validating as part of the overall narrative. We probably wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for that initial act of aggression.

Well did the WPC slap the mother in the face as alleged by some? After mum had objected to being assaulted by someone on the same flight?

And if she did, how would you expect a son to react, seeing his mum assaulted by a police officer?

 

[Lala]

Well did the WPC slap the mother in the face as alleged by some? After mum had objected to being assaulted by someone on the same flight?

And if she did, how would you expect a son to react, seeing his mum assaulted by a police officer?

We don’t know Mex do we. We know the little we see. That’s been my whole point from the start that you’ve backed up even more.
I’m not going to start calling out heroes and villains until I’ve half an idea of what has actually occurred. That makes sense to me because every story I give you or you give me, the other can counter with make belief scenarios because there is a void in facts as it stands.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

We don’t know Mex do we. We know the little we see. That’s been my whole point from the start that you’ve backed up even more.
I’m not going to start calling out heroes and villains until I’ve half an idea of what has actually occurred. That makes sense to me because every story I give you or you give me, the other can counter with make belief scenarios because there is a void in facts as it stands.

No we don’t know. I agree. But whenever has that stopped avftt from providing all the answers?

And we all want an answer that fits our prejudices.

 

[Lala]

No we don’t know. I agree. But whenever has that stopped avftt from providing all the answers?

And we all want an answer that fits our prejudices.

Agree.

 

[Old_Laytonian]

It was probably RoboCop who broke the police woman's nose as he was running around tasering and pepper spraying everyone. Collateral damage.

 

[Bend it like Suddick]

You're right of course about selective sympathy, I think it's because we all know that there's lots of scrotes out there but we expect them not to be in the police.

Unfortunately Lytham that's always been the case, and certainly in my Force they were quickly identified and quickly fecked off ASAP

Hate them with a passion

 

[Poolabroad]

It was probably RoboCop who broke the police woman's nose as he was running around tasering and pepper spraying everyone. Collateral damage.

"Probably "
Ok

 

[Gods honest truth]

I appreciate this subject has been exhausted, but just to add to my original post, with regards to stirring mischief, inaccuracies & bias:
This incident started off as a public disorder incident. There is no evidence that it is was in any way a racist incident (the post incident investigation will look at that in great detail). It just so happens that those involved are from the Asian community.
So what were the objectives of the demonstration in Rochdale, the home of those involved (which so far are thankfully peaceful)?
Were they perhaps hoping to influence the investigation before it's even properly commenced?
Hopefully there won't be a follow up demo at the airport, although I fear that is possible.
An active group from Rochdale has now posted on social media, the names of all the police officers who work at the airport. Why have they done this and for what intent? Is this a veiled threat against those officers (many of whom weren't even on duty at the time of the incident).
From the tone of his press interview, the local MP appears to have already concluded that the officer is guilty - without seeing any of the evidence or waiting for the investigation to conclude. That isn't fair or balanced, that is a political stance.
The media aren't reporting details of the assault injuries to the officers or their current condition. Neither are they reporting on the charges against those who instigated the incident. That isn't balanced reporting.
The conduct of the officer will be investigated fully, impartially and independently. If he has a case to answer, then that will take its course.
The premature conclusions drawn and the witch hunt being conducted by some is grossly unfair & undermines justice.
The stoking of the racial hatred fire by demonstrating is motivated by politics and mischief.
I'm now returning to celebrating our brilliant new home kit

Surely the names of the police officers should be held on a secure database,

 

[585 = never give up]

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Surely the names of the police officers should be held on a secure database,

Apparently not.
The names of all the officers who are posted at the airport have gone viral & one has to question what the motive is for circulating such information.

 

[Bisphamtang]

Most police are just normal men and woman trying to do a decent job .In my experience they try and de escalate situations and are professional.
I'm sure there is context to this and it is not a BLM issue .

However the officer showed lack of restraint and no way of putting a good spin on the stamp - suspect his career is over. This is the uk not El Salvador
We do need to stay calm and let investigation happen without the mass hysteria.

 

[Bend it like Suddick]

He will be toast, they will need to show that its unacceptable, but for him to react like he did he obviously has anger issues and probably not cut out to be a copper anyway.

If you worked with a female collegue who had just had her nose broken by a scumbag, what would you have done?

Shook his hand and said, don't worry you are all misunderstood and please come to the station??

Yes it was wrong, but I know what side of the fence I stand on, and I wouldn't have shook the slimy little gits hand.

 

[gjr]

If you worked with a female collegue who had just had her nose broken by a scumbag, what would you have done?

Shook his hand and said, don't worry you are all misunderstood and please come to the station??

Yes it was wrong, but I know what side of the fence I stand on, and I wouldn't have shook the slimy little gits hand.

I get being a bit heavy handed in that scenario but kicking a teenager laid out on the floor in the head twice can never be justified by a law enforcement professional.

 

[Bend it like Suddick]

I get being a bit heavy handed in that scenario but kicking a teenager laid out on the floor in the head twice can never be justified by a law enforcement professional.

Which is why I said it was wrong, but I completely understand the bobbies mindset at that moment in time.

 

[Moddey Dhoo]

If you worked with a female collegue who had just had her nose broken by a scumbag, what would you have done?

Shook his hand and said, don't worry you are all misunderstood and please come to the station??

Yes it was wrong, but I know what side of the fence I stand on, and I wouldn't have shook the slimy little gits hand.

Sorry, but I can’t accept that sort of equivocating.

If the PC under investigation was in the 2nd group of armed police called in to assist the first three PCs who had been assaulted, as appears to be the situation, then it’s very probable he wasn’t even present when the woman PC got her nose broken.

So he might not even have known how it had all happened. That would make his behaviour possibly appear even worse; he has an uncontrollable temper, and is very easily angered leading to extreme violence. Without any real claim on “provocation” in the heat of the moment.

Let’s wait for the IOPC and possible charges. If he has a past disciplinary record the details will come out then.

 

[gjr]

Which is why I said it was wrong, but I completely understand the bobbies mindset at that moment in time.

Well at least he didn't shoot him, great restraint shown!

 

[Bend it like Suddick]

Sorry, but I can’t accept that sort of equivocating.

With the greatest of respect Archie, tough. Been there, done it. Regret it, no.

Did I kick them in the head...course I didn't.

Retribution for an injured colleague...absolutely.

 

[Moddey Dhoo]

With the greatest of respect Archie, tough. Been there, done it. Regret it, no.

Did I kick them in the head...course I didn't.

Retribution for an injured colleague...absolutely.

Yep, I can accept real experience trumps theorising in understanding emotions.

 

[Bend it like Suddick]

Yep, I can accept real experience trumps theorising in understanding emotions.

Thank you, appreciate that comment

 

[Lala]

G

Most police are just normal men and woman trying to do a decent job .In my experience they try and de escalate situations and are professional.
I'm sure there is context to this and it is not a BLM issue .

However the officer showed lack of restraint and no way of putting a good spin on the stamp - suspect his career is over. This is the uk not El Salvador
We do need to stay calm and let investigation happen without the mass hysteria.

Great balanced post

 

[Bend it like Suddick]

Not been a good few weeks with idiots as plods with this and the complete tool that knocked the poor calf over.

I have deep concerns and worries about by old profession.

 

[Old_Laytonian]

I think it's the kick in the head and then the stamp that people can't quite understand.Then the same copper pepper sprays the lad sat on the bench who had his had his hands behind his head and then forces him to the floor. He then pepper sprays someone else.
If the copper had done the same to a football fan then his actions would have resulted in a riot.

 

[AllezBlackpool]

Start of the shenanigans here...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1817246547714666504