Incitement to kill

voyeur said:
Condescending twonk. Or you've been taken in by Israeli propaganda, which gets a lot more leverage in our media.


But it is happening and yet we get 20s and co seemingly more concerned about some daft chanting at Glastonbury. Whole the killing of civilians goes in unabated.

Incitement to kill is what I'm debating, in the context of the killing that has led to incitement to kill.
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I've not seen or heard much kill Hamas chants have you?

Let's not forget the 7th October when a load of masked terrorist murdered and raped civilians at a fcuking music festival
 
Phil_bfc neuf said:
I've not seen or heard much kill Hamas chants have you?

Let's not forget the 7th October when a load of masked terrorist murdered and raped civilians at a fcuking music festival
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Nobody has forgotten that. Should 70000 civilians pay the price and many more lose their homes and everything and live in constant fear of being the next to be murdered?
 
All this noise about musicians not engaging their brains before opening their mouths, and firmly taking a stand for one side or the other when loads of innocent people are getting killed because of these rigid stances and yet it goes on and on and on......
Meanwhile in Europe today Portugal hits 46.5c, Italian government limits how long people can work outdoors because workers are dying due to the heat and the people of Alsace can't drink the tap water for the rest of the year due to forever chemicals!
The human race trashing the planet should be the biggest issue, who knows if it gets really bad the other stuff looksmore and more irrelevant and it might unite us all, if it's not already too late!!
 
20togo said:
and you seem to believe yours is too. Shall we go round in circles?
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Mine is balanced. I'm in favour of neither side. Both as bad as each other. But one is caged in and is being annihilated. Illegally. That needs to stop. Why is nobody trying to stop it? Why are they getting support from us?
 
voyeur said:
Sorry 57000

Plus 1000 in the West Bank.

In less than 2 years.
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You can't even get your numbers right ffs

The people of Palestine should probably rise up against their oppressors you know the ones who they voted for who take all their aid, make weapons out of water pipes and let their people starve whilst fighting a terrorist war that they can't win

They are the real enemy of Palestine, they are the ones who break peace agreements and rape and murder innocents from a neighbouring country

That's the enemy of the Palestinian people
 
voyeur said:
Sorry 57000

Plus 1000 in the West Bank.

In less than 2 years.
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and this 57000 are all innocent civilians are they? No members of Hamas seem to have been killed then!
voyeur said:
Mine is balanced. I'm in favour of neither side. Both as bad as each other. But one is caged in and is being annihilated. Illegally. That needs to stop. Why is nobody trying to stop it? Why are they getting support from us?
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Yes, it needs to stop. A solution needs to be found asap. I said that just the other day.

I think it was you who used the term "caged in" previously. Not sure that was the case prior to 7/10 although i think you implied it was. But i do agree with you, Gaza must be like a living hell at the moment and the innocent people cannot feel safe. But the answer is not two bands inciting violence and murder.
 
Phil_bfc neuf said:
You can't even get your numbers right ffs

The people of Palestine should probably rise up against their oppressors you know the ones who they voted for who take all their aid, make weapons out of water pipes and let their people starve whilst fighting a terrorist war that they can't win

They are the real enemy of Palestine, they are the ones who break peace agreements and rape and murder innocents from a neighbouring country

That's the enemy of the Palestinian people
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The children should do that, should they? You know, the ones the IDF are killing and starving
PS. Put a laughing emoji on this and you'll not deserve a reply.
 
20togo said:
and this 57000 are all innocent civilians are they? No members of Hamas seem to have been killed then!

Yes, it needs to stop. A solution needs to be found asap. I said that just the other day.

I think it was you who used the term "caged in" previously. Not sure that was the case prior to 7/10 although i think you implied it was. But i do agree with you, Gaza must be like a living hell at the moment and the innocent people cannot feel safe. But the answer is not two bands inciting violence and murder.
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Once again you try and make a claim that they're Hamas supporters so deserve it.

Just stop it.

There have been 5 consecutive days of Israeli tanks shooting at the people the Israelis/US invited in to collect food.

Like putting bait down in a mousetrap.
 
Wizaard said:
Once again you try and make a claim that they're Hamas supporters so deserve it.

Just stop it.

There have been 5 consecutive days of Israeli tanks shooting at the people the Israelis/US invited in to collect food.

Like putting bait down in a mousetrap.
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i haven't made any claim. Simply questioning the accuracy of Voys figures claiming they are all civilians. No innocent person deserves to die so quit with your made up nonsense.
 
voyeur said:
Incitement to kill is what I'm debating, in the context of the killing that has led to incitement to kill.
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But that’s the whole point Voy. You think incitement to kill, in the eyes of the law, makes a difference, pertaining to what’s occurring in the world, and your beliefs.
And it doesn’t.
Two totally different discussions. If you want to discuss yours and others feelings around the war fair enough. If you want to incite violence on UK soil, not legal.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Of course not. Some issues are more important than others though.
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They may be, but we will always debate what we want on here, and nobody has to prioritise based on importance, that’s your opinion again, but not avftt law.

Your previous comment seems a little bit sanctimonious, aimed to hold the higher ground, as though you’re telling us we should know better, and slapping our wrists. It’s made to belittle, and there is no need for it.
 
20togo said:
and this 57000 are all innocent civilians are they? No members of Hamas seem to have been killed then!

Yes, it needs to stop. A solution needs to be found asap. I said that just the other day.

I think it was you who used the term "caged in" previously. Not sure that was the case prior to 7/10 although i think you implied it was. But i do agree with you, Gaza must be like a living hell at the moment and the innocent people cannot feel safe. But the answer is not two bands inciting violence and murder.
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Of course it includes some Hamas, and I have no problem with that, but the vast majority are civilians. It's indiscriminate isn't it? Shooting women and kids. That's the point obviously.

And yes Gaza has been walked off with all access restricted by Israel for a long time.

"The restrictions on movement and goods in Gaza imposed by Israel date to the early 1990s. After Hamas took over in 2007, Israel significantly intensified existing movement restrictions and imposed a complete blockade on the movement of goods and people in and out of the Gaza Strip."
 
Lala said:
But that’s the whole point Voy. You think incitement to kill, in the eyes of the law, makes a difference, pertaining to what’s occurring in the world, and your beliefs.
And it doesn’t.
Two totally different discussions. If you want to discuss yours and others feelings around the war fair enough. If you want to incite violence on UK soil, not legal.
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Yes but what I am saying, Lala, is not that incitement to kill is ok in some cases. Where have I said that? I've simply said that inciting violence against soldiers shooting civilians and against asylum seekers in a hostel are very different things. I know you'll say they are both inciting violence, yes they are, but I'm saying there is a fundamental difference. And they would be treated differently in a court. Completely different scenarios.

And, in real life, people reacting angrily to the killing of civilians will be treated more leniently than people inciting violence against civilians. As is the case.
 
I wonder what our reaction would be if we were threatened with complete destruction. This is what Hamas have threatened Israel with.
 
Lala said:
They may be, but we will always debate what we want on here, and nobody has to prioritise based on importance, that’s your opinion again, but not avftt law.

Your previous comment seems a little bit sanctimonious, aimed to hold the higher ground, as though you’re telling us we should know better, and slapping our wrists. It’s made to belittle, and there is no need for it.
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Not true but hey-ho.
 
Matesrates said:
I wonder what our reaction would be if we were threatened with complete destruction. This is what Hamas have threatened Israel with.
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Although it looks like the people of Gaza who are going to be completely desrtoyed in reality.
 
voyeur said:
Yes but what I am saying, Lala, is not that incitement to kill is ok in some cases. Where have I said that? I've simply said that inciting violence against soldiers shooting civilians and against asylum seekers in a hostel are very different things. I know you'll say they are both inciting violence, yes they are, but I'm saying there is a fundamental difference. And they would be treated differently in a court. Completely different scenarios.

And, in real life, people reacting angrily to the killing of civilians will be treated more leniently than people inciting violence against civilians. As is the case.
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The biggest difference is that one was inciting people to kill soldiers 2,000 miles away with no realistic chance of it occurring, while most towns in this country have a hostel with asylum seekers in it.

Obviously, both are wrong.
 
gjr said:
All this noise about musicians not engaging their brains before opening their mouths, and firmly taking a stand for one side or the other when loads of innocent people are getting killed because of these rigid stances and yet it goes on and on and on......
Meanwhile in Europe today Portugal hits 46.5c, Italian government limits how long people can work outdoors because workers are dying due to the heat and the people of Alsace can't drink the tap water for the rest of the year due to forever chemicals!
The human race trashing the planet should be the biggest issue, who knows if it gets really bad the other stuff looksmore and more irrelevant and it might unite us all, if it's not already too late!!
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It's all part of the same piss pot.
 
Phil_bfc neuf said:
You can't even get your numbers right ffs

The people of Palestine should probably rise up against their oppressors you know the ones who they voted for who take all their aid, make weapons out of water pipes and let their people starve whilst fighting a terrorist war that they can't win

They are the real enemy of Palestine, they are the ones who break peace agreements and rape and murder innocents from a neighbouring country

That's the enemy of the Palestinian people
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Them and Netanyahu and his government and military, they are done for on both sides. There can't be any winners, only losers.
 
gjr said:
Although it looks like the people of Gaza who are going to be completely desrtoyed in reality.
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Agree, it’s terrible, but if Hamas didn’t have that ambition in their covenant, would the October 7th attack and subsequent Israeli response have happened.

Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah bear responsibility for what’s happening now, and don’t get me wrong, what’s happening is absolutely wrong and should be stopped.

Edit, just heard that Israel has agreed to a 60 day ceasefire.
 
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I haven’t watched the Bob Vylan set, but from what I have read it might be a difficult case to litigate.
I understand he chanted “Death to the IDF”? Well given the IDF is currently engaged in daily acts of genocide, including the deliberate murder of civilians and forced starvation, and given that the ultimate sanction for genocide under Israeli law is the death penalty (though not in UK law, where it’s life imprisonment), he could make a case that he was simply calling for the proper implementation of Israeli law.
Not sure how he could successfully be prosecuted for that. Or how that qualifies as “hate” speech.
 
Matesrates said:
Agree, it’s terrible, but if Hamas didn’t have that ambition in their covenant, would the October 7th attack and subsequent Israeli response have happened.

Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah bear responsibility for what’s happening now, and don’t get me wrong, what’s happening is absolutely wrong and should be stopped.

Edit, just heard that Israel has agreed to a 60 day ceasefire.
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I would say they have some responsibility but ultimately the disproportionate and violent acts of the IDF are on them and the Israeli government.
 
Matesrates said:
Agree, it’s terrible, but if Hamas didn’t have that ambition in their covenant, would the October 7th attack and subsequent Israeli response have happened.

Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah bear responsibility for what’s happening now, and don’t get me wrong, what’s happening is absolutely wrong and should be stopped.

Edit, just heard that Israel has agreed to a 60 day ceasefire.
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Have you ever seen the way the Palestinians were treated in Israel? Also, the way that they have been treated on the West Bank, with the Police turning a blind eye? The Israelis are guilty of lots of things, including apartheid. And no, it isn't anti-semitic to say so.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Have you ever seen the way the Palestinians were treated in Israel? Also, the way that they have been treated on the West Bank, with the Police turning a blind eye? The Israelis are guilty of lots of things, including apartheid. And no, it isn't anti-semitic to say so.
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Have you also seen the way the Palestinians are treated by Egypt and the massive security operation around the border
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Have you ever seen the way the Palestinians were treated in Israel? Also, the way that they have been treated on the West Bank, with the Police turning a blind eye? The Israelis are guilty of lots of things, including apartheid. And no, it isn't anti-semitic to say so.
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That’s my point, would this have happened if Hamas/Iran didn’t have the destruction of Israel in their covenant
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Innocently? I still think it would. I don't see Israel being for a two state solution.
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Agree, although I don’t understand the innocently bit. Israel won’t accept a two state solution now, maybe if political will had been there decades ago, they would have been pushed into it. Now it’s up to Trump to display his talents in the art of the deal. Agree to a two state solution NOW OR FACE THE CONCEQUENCES.
 
Wizaard said:
Whataboutery at its max.

Israel are shooting people queueing for food at an Israeli run food station.
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whataboutery? Remind me how it all started. Israeli youngsters enjoying themselves at a music festival in their home country when they were were shot down, murdered and raped! Please don't try and lecture us on whataboutery!
 
20togo said:
whataboutery? Remind me how it all started. Israeli youngsters enjoying themselves at a music festival in their home country when they were were shot down, murdered and raped! Please don't try and lecture us on whataboutery!
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Once again you're justifying daily deaths in the hundreds on a one off event, horrific as it was.
 
Matesrates said:
Agree, although I don’t understand the innocently bit. Israel won’t accept a two state solution now, maybe if political will had been there decades ago, they would have been pushed into it. Now it’s up to Trump to display his talents in the art of the deal. Agree to a two state solution NOW OR FACE THE CONCEQUENCES.
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Wrong word. I meant genuinely.
 
Wizaard said:
Once again you're justifying daily deaths in the hundreds on a one off event, horrific as it was.
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They have broken ceasefires again and again

The Palestinians need help I agree but they really need to help themselves and stop supporting Hamas who have caused this latest carnage
 
20togo said:
a one off event that started this war! A war started by Hamas. Are you that naive to realise it wouldn't have consequences as harsh as they may be.
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Why invite starving people to collect food only to shoot at them with tanks?

Inhumane.

Two wrongs don't make anything like a right. There is no justification for the current onslaught.
 
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