Interesting result

The size of the majority is a big surprise.

Levelling up is all well and good but the problem then is if the Tory voters in the south feel neglected.

It looks as if there may also have been tactical voting.

Also a low turn out.
 
Massive swing from Tory to Lib Dem. Not sure it would be repeated in the next General election.
It may also highlight that we are not a country that has a massive numerical majority on the centre right of politics. Some tories and some posters on here think the centre left is dead in the water but if you look at the maths, we are pretty much evenly split. The problem for the centre left is that there are three parties who they vote for in England. On the centre right, there's 1. Hence why they win. The Conservatives are an election machine..
 
southshorepool said:
Massive swing from Tory to Lib Dem. Not sure it would be repeated in the next General election.
It may also highlight that we are not a country that has a massive numerical majority on the centre right of politics. Some tories and some posters on here think the centre left is dead in the water but if you look at the maths, we are pretty much evenly split. The problem for the centre left is that there are three parties who they vote for in England. On the centre right, there's 1. Hence why they win. The Conservatives are an election machine..
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Had to double take yours: we are not a country that has a massive numerical majority on the centre right of politics. We most certainly are a country with a huge majority around the centre of mainstream politics: from Blairite left to soft Tory, taking in the Libdems en route. I don't think there's much in the way of support for hard left or hard right politics - with the current exception of the red wall seats, where a large number of natural Labour voters have been taken in by Johnson's hard-right nationalist schtick.
 
As the Daily Mash so rightly said, if this had been Farage's mob winning, it would be a fundamental swing in British politics. Because it's the Lib Dems, a 21,000 vote swing is just, so what?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Had to double take yours: we are not a country that has a massive numerical majority on the centre right of politics. We most certainly are a country with a huge majority around the centre of mainstream politics: from Blairite left to soft Tory, taking in the Libdems en route. I don't think there's much in the way of support for hard left or hard right politics - with the current exception of the red wall seats, where a large number of natural Labour voters have been taken in by Johnson's hard-right nationalist schtick.
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I was being kind re: centre right.
The point remains the same. I've seen it on here. The sneering about lefties/ woke etc etc as though those on the left are almost an endangered species. It's utter horseshit. It's just a case of those who shout the loudest on social media.
Perhaps the centre is much more flexible than some think. That's why it's such a shame that currently Labour are spineless.
I'd also point out that Corbyn's Labour won millions of vote and were only a percentage point or two behind the Cons.
 
southshorepool said:
I was being kind re: centre right.
The point remains the same. I've seen it on here. The sneering about lefties/ woke etc etc as though those on the left are almost an endangered species. It's utter horseshit. It's just a case of those who shout the loudest on social media.
Perhaps the centre is much more flexible than some think. That's why it's such a shame that currently Labour are spineless.
I'd also point out that Corbyn's Labour won millions of vote and were only a percentage point or two behind the Cons.
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"I'd also point out that Corbyn's Labour won millions of vote and were only a percentage point or two behind the Cons."
In 2017, yes. But there were very particular conditions surrounding that election. May completely messed up her approach to the election and came across as ambivalent. Also the Parliamentary Tories were split down the middle, with Johnson and the ERG continually sniping from the sidelines. The electorate doesn't like that. Corbyn came across better than the public expected. So, what happened was that the electorate firmed up their support in (broadly) their natural homes, resulting in huge votes for the Tories and for Labour.

Once Johnson became Tory leader he sold the Tories completely on getting Brexit done. He looked strong, in control and decisive; being a liar didn't matter. It was Corbyn's turn to look duplicitous, vaccilating and (following the Salisbury poisonings), unpatriotic.
 
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southshorepool said:
Massive swing from Tory to Lib Dem. Not sure it would be repeated in the next General election.
It may also highlight that we are not a country that has a massive numerical majority on the centre right of politics. Some tories and some posters on here think the centre left is dead in the water but if you look at the maths, we are pretty much evenly split. The problem for the centre left is that there are three parties who they vote for in England. On the centre right, there's 1. Hence why they win. The Conservatives are an election machine..
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Strange result, but mainly decided on issues such as HS2 and local development. Quite funny really that any word from the government about the northern powerhouse and levelling up upsets Tory supporters in the South.

We didn't vote Tory for northerners to be treated equally. Bloody disgrace.
 
Tangojoe said:
Strange result, but mainly decided on issues such as HS2 and local development. Quite funny really that any word from the government about the northern powerhouse and levelling up upsets Tory supporters in the South.

We didn't vote Tory for northerners to be treated equally. Bloody disgrace.
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People in the South East in houses costing upwards of a million feeling marginalised because Boris visits Hartlepool and talks about levelling up.
 
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