Iran

bill40 said:
I hope so and expect so. I have no idea why so many seem to think the disgusting ideology of Islamism will win. Our way of life will win because it's human. The religion of Islam will thrive but it's political narrative will not.
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Places like Iran run by a theocracy or USA run by right wing Christian evangelists with no regard for human life.

Not much choice really.
 
Wizaard said:
Places like Iran run by a theocracy or USA run by right wing Christian evangelists with no regard for human life.

Not much choice really.
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The choice is neither, that's why I have no truck with the newly sainted Tommy, Farage or any other right wing loon. We currently have neither so let's keep it that way.
 
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It's interesting that their preferred option is to return to being a Kingdom as opposed to a democracy.

I find it interesting how so many peoples of the world prefer a 'benevolent dictator' over freedom. It's almost hard wired into us as humans.

You see it too in these social experiments on desert islands. It is within no time at all that with free will, they choose a leader to make the decisions and rule over them.
 
Chunkylad said:
It's interesting that their preferred option is to return to being a Kingdom as opposed to a democracy.

I find it interesting how so many peoples of the world prefer a 'benevolent dictator' over freedom. It's almost hard wired into us as humans.

You see it too in these social experiments on desert islands. It is within no time at all that with free will, they choose a leader to make the decisions and rule over them.
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Yes, with many of the population wanting the Monarchy to return...... strange that.🤔
 
Chunkylad said:
It's interesting that their preferred option is to return to being a Kingdom as opposed to a democracy.

I find it interesting how so many peoples of the world prefer a 'benevolent dictator' over freedom. It's almost hard wired into us as humans.

You see it too in these social experiments on desert islands. It is within no time at all that with free will, they choose a leader to make the decisions and rule over them.
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I think it’s become in our dna, it goes back to the time when the strongest won and it was better to be on the side of the strongest. The strongest became the kings and it just morphed into royalty. Blue blood my a@rs
 
Chunkylad said:
It's interesting that their preferred option is to return to being a Kingdom as opposed to a democracy.

I find it interesting how so many peoples of the world prefer a 'benevolent dictator' over freedom. It's almost hard wired into us as humans.

You see it too in these social experiments on desert islands. It is within no time at all that with free will, they choose a leader to make the decisions and rule over them.
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A lot of people just like to know where they are Chunky, happy to let others make decisions for them. Its one or the reasons Putin has been able to take control in Russia.
 
A democratically elected government was overthrown by the west in 1953, and the Shah reinstated. He was perceived as corrupt which led to the coup. The US apparently preferred the Islamic revolution as the feared a communist/Russian involvement. I'm not commenting on what is wrong and right but its interesting how the west doesnt like democracy when it doesnt suit them. See Vietnam also.

From wiki

On 19 August 1953, Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown in a coup d'état orchestrated by the United States (CIA) and the United Kingdom (MI6). A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mossadegh nationalized and refused to concede to western oil demands.[5][6][7] It was instigated by the United States (under the name TP-AJAX Project[8] or Operation Ajax) and the United Kingdom (under the name Operation Boot).[9][10][11][12]
 
Shandypants said:
A democratically elected government was overthrown by the west in 1953, and the Shah reinstated. He was perceived as corrupt which led to the coup. The US apparently preferred the Islamic revolution as the feared a communist/Russian involvement. I'm not commenting on what is wrong and right but its interesting how the west doesnt like democracy when it doesnt suit them. See Vietnam also.

From wiki

On 19 August 1953, Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown in a coup d'état orchestrated by the United States (CIA) and the United Kingdom (MI6). A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mossadegh nationalized and refused to concede to western oil demands.[5][6][7] It was instigated by the United States (under the name TP-AJAX Project[8] or Operation Ajax) and the United Kingdom (under the name Operation Boot).[9][10][11][12]
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Exactly. In the 70s, America was arming the Taliban to fight the Russians. That worked out well.
 
Surely the people who were calling it genocide in Gaza will now be calling the same in Iran?

Surely the ones calling it murder in Minnesota will be calling this one out for the same killings by police?

650 civilian protestors killed to date random shootings by plain clothes police officers on the streets.

Shame this thread has only a fraction of comments as opposed to the ICE thread.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Surely the people who were calling it genocide in Gaza will now be calling the same in Iran?

Surely the ones calling it murder in Minnesota will be calling this one out for the same killings?

650 civilian protestors killed to date random shootings by plain clothes police officers on the streets.

Shame this thread has only a fraction of comments as opposed to the ICE thread.
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This thread is almost as lacking as the BBC coverage has been!

I read somewhere that there could be up to 6000 killed.
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
This thread is almost as lacking as the BBC coverage has been!

I read somewhere that there could be up to 6000 killed.
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Yes this 650 is just an estimated figure but it’s expected there could be thousands more dead but not yet reported.

Can you imagine the reaction if this was in America?

Why is the world not condemning this like they did over the IDF in Gaza?

And yes It appears only Sky news are bothering to cover this its just shocking from the BBC who seem more concerned about homes in the south without water.
 
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US should have spent the 1950s and 60s supporting countries to have true communism as that ideology doesn't work in a species obsessed by power and selfish gain.

Instead all the communist countries under duress from the West, became Dictatorships which is proven to be a problem in terms of those countries getting more powerful.

Iranian communism would have been amusing
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Yes this 650 is just an estimated figure but it’s expected there could be thousands more dead but not yet reported.

Can you imagine the reaction if this was in America?

Why is the world not condemning this like they did over the IDF in Gaza?

And yes It appears only Sky news are bothering to cover this its just shocking from the BBC who seem more concerned about homes in the south without water.
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Well, I for one am praying that this will finally be the end of this mad despot’s long ‘reign’ of fear. It’s a cruel and ’backward’ regime that needs to be destroyed. If Trump’s the man to do it, then so be it and even though it doesn’t mean anything to anybody (except me,) America has my full support on this one. Surely, the long-suffering Iranian people deserve all the support they can get….
And in the spirit of my support, I would say, “Zan, Zendegi, Azadi” and that goes for the Iranian men too…. 🧡
 
Reports from Iran now indicate the death toll is in the thousands. Even an Iranian official has admitted to over 2000 deaths to the BBC, with many more wounded or arrested 😒
 
We've been here before with Iran and each time, brutal crackdowns have maintained the status quo.

I can't see this one being any different, to be honest.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Why is the world not condemning this like they did over the IDF in Gaza?
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I think the world is. It's atrocious. I think it's very difficult to garner much accurate information as Iran has effectively shut itself down.

If those numbers of dead can be verified I can only see Trump getting involved very soon. What a bloody mess.
 
Iv heard 20000 dead ,the barbaric government are gonna fall , hope Trump finishes them off ,before the executions that are planned for tomorrow of innocent unarmed protesters
 
Chunkylad said:
apple.news

Trump says he has many military options on Iran. He doesn’t. — POLITICO

Many of the troops and ships once at the president’s disposal have shifted to the Caribbean.
apple.news apple.news

Article here saying that the US is overcommitted to the Caribbean and won't be able to react as Trump wants.
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That’s a disappointing read, I’d really hoped Trump was going to take decisive action. I’d assumed he’d discussed it thoroughly with his military advisors but of course you never know with Donald….
What a dire situation for the Iranian subjects to be in, it’s awful….
 
The US are withdrawing some staff from their bases in Qatar - 'as a precautionary measure'. Looks like something may be happening soon
 
It gives Trump the perfect excuse to bomb the factories inside Iran that are manufacturing the drones and missiles supplied to Russia that are being used against Ukraine.
 
So Trump tells protesters to carry on and help is on the way, so they do and get killed. What’s the help? Tariffs and sanctions. He’s backed off any military action because “they’ve stopped the killing” ffs, the killing has stopped because the protests have stopped, because they were getting killed.

If I were an Iranian protester, I’d never trust Trump again.
 
I think the state killings and executions ceased because if they did not, the US threatened, via back channels, to assassinate as many mullahs and ayatollahs as they could find. Clerical Armageddon. That would have triggered civil war within Iran.
 
Lala said:
Are the protests carrying on then ?
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I think they might be, maybe at a lower level, as many are very frightened by the atrocities the state has committed. It’s very difficult to get live info out of Iran, even for the BBC or those with limited access to Starlink internet.
 
Let's not forget it was the C I A protecting Britains oil intrests that instigated and started the revolution that overthrow a democracy and led the country down the authoritarian rule of mullahs and clerics.
 
Seasider1 said:
Let's not forget it was the C I A protecting Britains oil intrests that instigated and started the revolution that overthrow a democracy and led the country down the authoritarian rule of mullahs and clerics.
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That overthrow of democracy was in 1953. The Islamic Revolution against the Shah was in 1979. What is your point?
 
Moddey Dhoo said:
I think they might be, maybe at a lower level, as many are very frightened by the atrocities the state has committed. It’s very difficult to get live info out of Iran, even for the BBC or those with limited access to Starlink internet.
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Such a shame. If they fail now after such a large revolt it may put them off another attempt for a considerable time.
I know we can’t actively intervene, but I hate watching nations suffer under such awful regimes whilst we appear to be turning the other cheek.
 
Matesrates said:
So Trump tells protesters to carry on and help is on the way, so they do and get killed. What’s the help? Tariffs and sanctions. He’s backed off any military action because “they’ve stopped the killing” ffs, the killing has stopped because the protests have stopped, because they were getting killed.

If I were an Iranian protester, I’d never trust Trump again.
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Trump.
Possibly the worst US President ever.
And there have been some bad ones.
 
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