Is Pilley the real winner?

HatfulofHollow

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Lowest crowds in League One - will the ban really have any effect on the Cods? In some ways, Pilley might even do well out of all of this - other clubs might have to cut back but I'd imagine that the Cods budget is not reliant at all on their crowds?
 
It will affect his away crowd more. He will only get the first 500 away buys on iFollow and the first 500 iFollow buys from cod heads in away games. So he will lose out with us when we play them at Highbury and team like Sunderland, Ipswich and any other team that will take decent numbers. Fleetwood wont be selling much more than 500 for away game's so he will get very little from them.
 
I would have thought earnings from his primary income source, BES Utilities, will be significantly down. With people working from home and businesses running leaner or closing, commercial energy consumption will be lower. Unless he can turn that into a positive by brokering cheaper fuel deals, going for smaller margins but higher volumes, he's going to struggle.
Of course, I could be talking total garbage.
 
I would have thought earnings from his primary income source, BES Utilities, will be significantly down. With people working from home and businesses running leaner or closing, commercial energy consumption will be lower. Unless he can turn that into a positive by brokering cheaper fuel deals, going for smaller margins but higher volumes, he's going to struggle.
Of course, I could be talking total garbage.
His target customers are those that pose a higher risk such as first time shop/business owners that the main providers are reluctant to engage with. Sometimes these new businesses don’t have much option but to pay a little over the odds for their Kw Hours and Standing Charges.

Around 1:3 of these businesses will fail in their 1st year, the trick is to get enough money off them initially so that any future collapse is covered. BES have also got preferential rights to supply Educational and Health Departments granted to them and for all the snorting and sneering on here they do have many many long term Gas and Electric customers who they have supplied quite happily for years.

Recent expansion into fitting Smart Meters in existing customers and on request to other supply points means that another regular income stream is available for the lifetime (15 years) of these meters as BES will continue to own and operate these Meters even if they no longer supply them.

Fleetwood Town might be a drain on his resources, but he enjoys being an owner and chairman and do you know what? He can well afford it, what else has he got to spend his money on?

If you think COVID is going to bring his companies down think again, the Cardsaver Business is booming thanks to the switch to contactless payments being employed everywhere these days.

Any failure to his business empire would be catastrophic to the hundreds of people he employs on the Fylde and the local economy, not something you could say of Simon Sadler.
 
Short term COVID may be a bit of a leveller for Fleetwood but it won’t be around for ever and when the crowds are back it will be back to the unsustainable business model for FTFC.
 
His target customers are those that pose a higher risk such as first time shop/business owners that the main providers are reluctant to engage with. Sometimes these new businesses don’t have much option but to pay a little over the odds for their Kw Hours and Standing Charges.

Around 1:3 of these businesses will fail in their 1st year, the trick is to get enough money off them initially so that any future collapse is covered. BES have also got preferential rights to supply Educational and Health Departments granted to them and for all the snorting and sneering on here they do have many many long term Gas and Electric customers who they have supplied quite happily for years.

Recent expansion into fitting Smart Meters in existing customers and on request to other supply points means that another regular income stream is available for the lifetime (15 years) of these meters as BES will continue to own and operate these Meters even if they no longer supply them.

Fleetwood Town might be a drain on his resources, but he enjoys being an owner and chairman and do you know what? He can well afford it, what else has he got to spend his money on?

If you think COVID is going to bring his companies down think again, the Cardsaver Business is booming thanks to the switch to contactless payments being employed everywhere these days.

Any failure to his business empire would be catastrophic to the hundreds of people he employs on the Fylde and the local economy, not something you could say of Simon Sadler.

Thanks for the insight - but surely on that business model, new business is going to be virtually nil, and he'll be getting lots of defaults so while he'll have had a chunk up front, there'll be less ongoing revenue - the pricing must assume they keep paying for a certain length of time. Or am I just spouting more crap?
 
Thanks for the insight - but surely on that business model, new business is going to be virtually nil, and he'll be getting lots of defaults so while he'll have had a chunk up front, there'll be less ongoing revenue - the pricing must assume they keep paying for a certain length of time. Or am I just spouting more crap?
No not at all TT on the talking crap side, that’s a valid point but BES take on people expecting a fair few to fail!- if a business can keep going long enough and to pay a few bills then money can still be made - don’t forget, any debt still exists and can be attempted to be recouped (a BIG part of any Supply business) or debt can be sold off, plus they can reclaim any VAT paid on the supply.

If smaller suppliers can weather the next year say, then they might be in a good position. As the economy tries to expand and fill the vacuum left by failed businesses, then I’m sure even this Government will back Start-Up Loans to encourage new small businesses, which are exactly the kind of people that BES attract.

I’m not saying people haven’t already lost their jobs at BES because @1/3 of staff have gone since the start of the year and I’m not saying they aren’t making as much money as this time last year, because they aren’t but what I am saying is that Pilley is making a bit more money than we will ever see.

If any club budgets on low gates for most of the season, then it’s the likes of Fleetwood and Accy and Morecambe that do whilst at Blackpool and the like who probably expected an 8000 average then there might be a different story as the O/P indicates.
 
His target customers are those that pose a higher risk such as first time shop/business owners that the main providers are reluctant to engage with. Sometimes these new businesses don’t have much option but to pay a little over the odds for their Kw Hours and Standing Charges.

Around 1:3 of these businesses will fail in their 1st year, the trick is to get enough money off them initially so that any future collapse is covered. BES have also got preferential rights to supply Educational and Health Departments granted to them and for all the snorting and sneering on here they do have many many long term Gas and Electric customers who they have supplied quite happily for years.

Recent expansion into fitting Smart Meters in existing customers and on request to other supply points means that another regular income stream is available for the lifetime (15 years) of these meters as BES will continue to own and operate these Meters even if they no longer supply them.

Fleetwood Town might be a drain on his resources, but he enjoys being an owner and chairman and do you know what? He can well afford it, what else has he got to spend his money on?

If you think COVID is going to bring his companies down think again, the Cardsaver Business is booming thanks to the switch to contactless payments being employed everywhere these days.

Any failure to his business empire would be catastrophic to the hundreds of people he employs on the Fylde and the local economy, not something you could say of Simon Sadler.
You forget that Simon Sadler is injecting money directly into the local economy by using local businesses where possible to re-build the infrastructure of the club. Also, the investment he is making into the football club is aimed at bringing Championship level football back to Bloomfield Road which will in turn mean spin-offs to the local economy.
 
I wonder what the numbers are for us with ifollow buys so far? I've watched every game so far.

I do wonder how many outside the 4k season tickets holders are buying...
 
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I wonder what the numbers are for us with ifollow buys so far? I've watched every game so far.

I do wonder how many outside the 3k season tickets holders are buying...
25000 paid and watched Plymouth. And how many of those had multiple viewers?

Never mind the thieves.
 
Lowest crowds in League One - will the ban really have any effect on the Cods? In some ways, Pilley might even do well out of all of this - other clubs might have to cut back but I'd imagine that the Cods budget is not reliant at all on their crowds?
Good point. The effects could make it a very level playing field* although they would struggle if they were promoted, and once again stopped being rivals for a while (smiley)
 
You forget that Simon Sadler is injecting money directly into the local economy by using local businesses where possible to re-build the infrastructure of the club. Also, the investment he is making into the football club is aimed at bringing Championship level football back to Bloomfield Road which will in turn mean spin-offs to the local economy.
True enough but its hardly long term direct employment as Pilley has and does offer. I’m sure some of Sadlers money is finding its way into Blackpool and under better circumstances the fans being attracted back would have also played their part into creating a few jobs and boosting the economy in South Shore.
 
Not sure if FTFC does budget for low attendances, but if they do, its not working, or they would not be ~ £10m + in debt.
 
25000 paid and watched Plymouth. And how many of those had multiple viewers?

Never mind the thieves.

What, where that figure from..?

Whats the breakdown of pool fans. We only get the remainder after 500 yes?

So I wonder what was our home numbers were 🤔
 
25000 paid and watched Plymouth. And how many of those had multiple viewers?

Never mind the thieves.
Where did you get these figures from Wizz? Any breakdown of home and away fans? I think the clubs should be more transparent with iFollow figures and actually might make a few more pay for it and encourage others to watch.
 
Lowest crowds in League One - will the ban really have any effect on the Cods? In some ways, Pilley might even do well out of all of this - other clubs might have to cut back but I'd imagine that the Cods budget is not reliant at all on their crowds?
There’s a piece in today’s Telegraph about a football bailout which mentions Fleetwood accounts 2018-19 pre Covid. Employed 50 playing staff, 165 non playing staff, collective salaries £6.2 mill. Club losses £6 mill. Club dependant on Pilley for financial input. A few comments from Barton in that article about player wages and input from football elite.
 
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