It’s very easy to sack a manager

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But who would you bring in that would improve things on the pitch towards the end of the season and kick us on for a play off push next season?
 
Rektseasider said:
But who would you bring in that would improve things on the pitch towards the end of the season and kick us on for a play off push next season?
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The list would be huge. Far too numerous to mention. After all we do have one of the worst managers in the league.
 
Doesn’t matter who we would bring in. It matters that Grayson is the WRONG man.....that’s all you need to know to sack him...it literally couldn’t get worse if you put the Groundsman in charge until end of season
 
BISONS said:
Far too numerous to mention.
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thats available before the end of the season? Who’s out of work?
Or are we poaching a manager from another club because I can’t see that happening.
 
We either go and get Evo from Barrow, you certainly couldn’t deny his passion, but is he ready for the step up? Do you put Spearing in as player manager to the end of the season or do you get someone like Warnock till the end of the season? At the end of the day, keeping Grayson till the end of the season is the worst option.
 
We’re not going anywhere as regards relegation so bring someone in as a caretaker till end of season then Sadler needs to push the boat out and bring in Evatt.
 
Ritchie Wellens would be the best choice
A young up and coming manager
Top of the League
Would have had the job 2 years ago had the O's not been in charge
 
Icywaves said:
Ritchie Wellens would be the best choice
A young up and coming manager
Top of the League
Would have had the job 2 years ago had the O's not been in charge
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In 6 months There’s a very realistic chance Wellen’s and his Swindon side will be higher than us in the pyramid.

maybe our financial clout could pry him away from Swindon. But I would t count on it.
 
Evo & Wellens would be two we should be interested in. Young, hungry, playing exciting/winning football and both have connections with the club. Trouble is I don’t see any wanting to leave their current position just now, with success so close. So perhaps a caretaker until the end of the season then target one of these two? I’m not a big fan of sacking managers but I just don’t see the situation improving under Grayson
 
Relegation to name one.

it’s bad at the moment but I have definitely seen it worse in my39 years of watching us.
 
Anything over the last six seasons has been much worse. Blowing automatic then the play offs under Big Sam was worse. As painful as this is I do believe it will be a blip in an otherwise successful period for the club
 
Big test for SS now, he’s appointed an experienced board who know the game and must take responsibility. I just can’t see him agreeing to leave things as they are much longer.
 
Icywaves said:
Ritchie Wellens would be the best choice
A young up and coming manager
Top of the League
Would have had the job 2 years ago had the O's not been in charge
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Interesting that Wellens wasn’t with his Swindon team last night. Apparently he went off sick during the day, maybe a coincidence 🤔
 
Literally anyone would be better, we don't need to worry about his replacement, we just need Grayson out, the rest will take care of itself.
 
NewburyOne said:
Literally anyone would be better, we don't need to worry about his replacement, we just need Grayson out, the rest will take care of itself.
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Really? the football under McP was not particularly entertaining or inspiring. Just changing the manager without a succession plan is daft.
People asking how it could be worse, Spearing as caretaker would be exhibit A. That would be a car crash.

Must admit even after advocating time for Grayson there doesn’t seem to be much of a future for him here. It’s the fact he can’t seem to adjust things and keeps blindly playing the same way hoping for a change.

I don’t think it’s all that clear who would replace him.
 
1 win in 12, in a poor division and a big squad of players to choose from. You'd have to be exceptionally poor not to improve on that record. We are a much more attractive club than we have been before, I have no doubt we would attract some decent managers.
 
Stop living in the past 1 in 12 with the players we have available, not knowing how to set them up with tactics, a plan A, a plan B, not being able to motivate them is ALL the manager.

He has to go now.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Stop living in the past 1 in 12 with the players we have available, not knowing how to set them up with tactics, a plan A, a plan B, not being able to motivate them is ALL the manager.

He has to go now.
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I’m living in the rational present.

we were never going up this year nor were we going down.

I happen to agree now that Grayson doesn’t seem capable of doing anything positive with us.

but we have a hotchpotch squad assembled by various people on the surface of things.
Leaving us ruderless now would be irrational and dangerous.

there’s no clear replacement we could get before the end of the season, but I think it’s clear planning for a new one needs to happen now, and probably already is.
 
Rektseasider said:
I’m living in the rational present.

we were never going up this year nor were we going down.

I happen to agree now that Grayson doesn’t seem capable of doing anything positive with us.

but we have a hotchpotch squad assembled by various people on the surface of things.
Leaving us ruderless now would be irrational and dangerous.

there’s no clear replacement we could get before the end of the season, but I think it’s clear planning for a new one needs to happen now, and probably already is.
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I didn't expect us to go up. What I do expect is us to play like we know what we are doing. Like we know the formation.

A clear sign that they didn't have a clue was last night when Turton had the ball 5 metres from Dewsbury Hall and instead of giving it an easy 5 yard pass. He hoofed it long and out for a goal kick. No clear direction. No manager asking him to play the simple pass and move. It's very clear he doesn't know what team to play.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I didn't expect us to go up. What I do expect is us to play like we know what we are doing. Like we know the formation.

A clear sign that they didn't have a clue was last night when Turton had the ball 5 metres from Dewsbury Hall and instead of giving it an easy 5 yard pass. He hoofed it long and out for a goal kick. No clear direction. No manager asking him to play the simple pass and move. It's very clear he doesn't know what team to play.
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I agree with you about your last paragraph, it seems clear to me know that somethings out of sorts at the club. It seems a lot of it’s Grayson now.

although I’ll caveat that by saying, it was an odd situation he inherited and some of the signings seem strange. Maybe as if the club knew he wasn’t starting next season and hedged. Grayson may have realised this and seems to have given up the ghost.

but any way where I differ from you is, I don’t think putting him tomorrow would be a clever idea.
For instance Spearing as caretaker may see us go from 1 in 12 to 0 in 12 and if you chuck and Evo or Wellens in now I fear they struggle from the get go and we’re just rinse and repeating the current situation.
 
Rektseasider said:
I agree with you about your last paragraph, it seems clear to me know that somethings out of sorts at the club. It seems a lot of it’s Grayson now.

although I’ll caveat that by saying, it was an odd situation he inherited and some of the signings seem strange. Maybe as if the club knew he wasn’t starting next season and hedged. Grayson may have realised this and seems to have given up the ghost.

but any way where I differ from you is, I don’t think putting him tomorrow would be a clever idea.
For instance Spearing as caretaker may see us go from 1 in 12 to 0 in 12 and if you chuck and Evo or Wellens in now I fear they struggle from the get go and we’re just rinse and repeating the current situation.
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But he isn't showing signs, it's not like he's got us playing a style of football which is grinding results and they're getting better. He just simply doesn't know what to do.

He's bought players in and he says Ronan is a superb ball playing attacking mid, so why the actual fuck is Ronan playing left wing?
 
We need to pass quicker. Last night we were so slow that by the time we passed the ball there was a man on or it was intercepted. That is of course if we were not colour blind and did not know what we were trying to do. Manager instructions!!
 
Rektseasider said:
I agree with you about your last paragraph, it seems clear to me know that somethings out of sorts at the club. It seems a lot of it’s Grayson now.

although I’ll caveat that by saying, it was an odd situation he inherited and some of the signings seem strange. Maybe as if the club knew he wasn’t starting next season and hedged. Grayson may have realised this and seems to have given up the ghost.

but any way where I differ from you is, I don’t think putting him tomorrow would be a clever idea.
For instance Spearing as caretaker may see us go from 1 in 12 to 0 in 12 and if you chuck and Evo or Wellens in now I fear they struggle from the get go and we’re just rinse and repeating the current situation.
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We may get a lift if the team had someone new
 
SeasideKurt said:
But he isn't showing signs, it's not like he's got us playing a style of football which is grinding results and they're getting better. He just simply doesn't know what to do.

He's bought players in and he says Ronan is a superb ball playing attacking mid, so why the actual fuck is Ronan playing left wing?
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I'm agreeing with you, he isn't showing us anything. But my point is who do you replace him with?

As that could do just as much damage if not more to the club.

I think SS and BM are searching now, it will be someone no one expects.
 
Anyone reckon he wants to be sacked? Easy this Football Manager malarkey! Crap results, get sacked and watch the money pile up in your account. Sit back and wait for the phone to ring!
Light the cigar
 
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I think the main thing that frustrates me about Larry is it seemed for a few games around Nov/Dec that we'd cracked it and we were going to attack and score goals.

For reasons no one can fathom, he binned that system off and now keeps doing *anything* other than playing the system/team that got us going.

It's like the positive evidence of a fee good attacking performances is outweighed in his head by the potential defensive insecurities that never actually impacted on us. (I.e. us playing a back three with two wing backs/wingers never actually resulted in us getting battered)

It's like he won't play a team that we want to see because it MIGHT lose but keeps putting out sides that DO lose with the plan of preventing that hypothetical defeat.

I'm not over fussed if he stays or goes at this exact point but I definitely don't want a Warnock or someone like that if he does. I want a young, intelligent and enthusiastic coach who will get a bit of atmosphere and support going. I want someone who we can stake the next few years on getting behind and building something.

From the off, we've been lukewarm about Larry, you can feel it in the atmosphere. Watching someone like Paul Warne home and away, you can feel the energy he gives to the team and the fans. I loved Larry MK1 but Larry mk2 just feels lukewarm. It's like a ready meal version of a restaurant dinner. The same, but just not the same. A bit tasteless and rubbery compared to the actual flavour. Leaves you wondering 'what was the point?'

I've never held with all the bile for Larry - he achieved something remarkable first time around and he left for a romantic dream job and I wished him all the best. It's quite sad watching all this unfold and I still hope it's going to work out, but I increasingly feel, that in a club that's getting so much right on so many fronts, that Larry and David Dunne look a bit lost and we simply aren't seeing the evidence of drills, plans and team spirit.

It's not like when had Macca and one week we'd be crap and the next week brilliant, it just feels same as, same as, same as and I'm struggling to work out what the plan is.

It's ironic - as my abiding memory of Larry last time was that after Hendry's inexplicable decisions, he was a breath of common sense and calmness and I always had faith that even when it didn't work, he was trying something logical.

Now I don't know. I agree with all the points about him having an odd pre season and needing to find his way with essentially an entire new team but I'm ultimately not sure what he actually wants and it feels like the players don't know either.
 
td53 said:
I think the main thing that frustrates me about Larry is it seemed for a few games around Nov/Dec that we'd cracked it and we were going to attack and score goals.

For reasons no one can fathom, he binned that system off and now keeps doing *anything* other than playing the system/team that got us going.

It's like the positive evidence of a fee good attacking performances is outweighed in his head by the potential defensive insecurities that never actually impacted on us. (I.e. us playing a back three with two wing backs/wingers never actually resulted in us getting battered)

It's like he won't play a team that we want to see because it MIGHT lose but keeps putting out sides that DO lose with the plan of preventing that hypothetical defeat.

I'm not over fussed if he stays or goes at this exact point but I definitely don't want a Warnock or someone like that if he does. I want a young, intelligent and enthusiastic coach who will get a bit of atmosphere and support going. I want someone who we can stake the next few years on getting behind and building something.

From the off, we've been lukewarm about Larry, you can feel it in the atmosphere. Watching someone like Paul Warne home and away, you can feel the energy he gives to the team and the fans. I loved Larry MK1 but Larry mk2 just feels lukewarm. It's like a ready meal version of a restaurant dinner. The same, but just not the same. A bit tasteless and rubbery compared to the actual flavour. Leaves you wondering 'what was the point?'

I've never held with all the bile for Larry - he achieved something remarkable first time around and he left for a romantic dream job and I wished him all the best. It's quite sad watching all this unfold and I still hope it's going to work out, but I increasingly feel, that in a club that's getting so much right on so many fronts, that Larry and David Dunne look a bit lost and we simply aren't seeing the evidence of drills, plans and team spirit.

It's not like when had Macca and one week we'd be crap and the next week brilliant, it just feels same as, same as, same as and I'm struggling to work out what the plan is.

It's ironic - as my abiding memory of Larry last time was that after Hendry's inexplicable decisions, he was a breath of common sense and calmness and I always had faith that even when it didn't work, he was trying something logical.

Now I don't know. I agree with all the points about him having an odd pre season and needing to find his way with essentially an entire new team but I'm ultimately not sure what he actually wants and it feels like the players don't know either.
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You've summed that up brilliantly for me there.
 
It's like going back to an old girlfriend; it's never the same and it never again feels right and you just end up giving up again.
Come on SS! We're eternally grateful for turning the club into a professional outfit again but please, please you have to act now.
 
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