John Jules

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Wizaard

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Needs to learn quickly that the EFL isn't a training match at Arsenal's training ground.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone stop, throw up his arms and look at the ref as soon as anyone comes near him. It's costing us, as anything going to him is lost possession.

These players are sent out on loan to toughen them up. He needs to start immediately.

Football isn't all about a nice touch and technique.
 
I’ve noticed this too. For a big lad he goes down like a sack of spuds.

Im hoping regular game time will toughen him up.
 
Completely agree. He's done it a few times now and yesterday he stopped while we were still attacking and needed him in the box. Don't get me started on his pathetic dive. Hopefully he will learn soon.
 
Yep hes only young and been sent here to learn but he does like throwing his arms up in the air with a sense of injustice everytime.... I'm sure he'll only get better and better though under the BFC management
 
He has a great touch, and picks some great passes, but nothing like enough. There's an air of privilege about him. He needs to observe Lavery and Bowler, players released by Everton, and realise that, if you don't produce, your career will go backwards and then you're in an uphill battle and your street cred plummets! Fight now, rather than later.
 
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Wizaard said:
Needs to learn quickly that the EFL isn't a training match at Arsenal's training ground.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone stop, throw up his arms and look at the ref as soon as anyone comes near him. It's costing us, as anything going to him is lost possession.

These players are sent out on loan to toughen them up. He needs to start immediately.

Football isn't all about a nice touch and technique.
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Yep, been saying this since the Cardiff game. And as we saw in the playoff final with Brennan Johnson (when it was a Championship ref), throwing yourself down in this league ain't going to get you anywhere.

Weird thing is, when he was on loan at Lincoln he did nothing of the sort.
 
Is there an agreement that he starts most games?
If not he should be on the bench & start Lavery.
Dont forget we have Madine & Mitchell to return soon, hopefully!
 
It’s taking him time to adjust, he’s playing it like an u23 match, surrounded by neat players and able to run with the ball without much challenge.

That’s why he’s on loan, and in comparison to Simms when he joined, he’s a fair way behind. It’d be great to see him develop, but not at the expense of the team and in particular Lavery.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
It’s taking him time to adjust, he’s playing it like an u23 match, surrounded by neat players and able to run with the ball without much challenge.

That’s why he’s on loan, and in comparison to Simms when he joined, he’s a fair way behind. It’d be great to see him develop, but not at the expense of the team and in particular Lavery.
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Agree with this, he's got the talent but needs to adjust his mindset and learn what's required in senior football. He will improve under Critch. Not a starting XI player for me, yet.
 
when madine is fit he wont get a chance this is what we are missing most at the moment we havnt got an outlet when we are getting pushed back and pressed we knock it long and nobody to win the header and hold up the ball JJ cannot either win a header or hold up the ball
 
Let's be honest he's shown nothing to suggest he should start ahead of Lavery.

What he needs is to come on against tired legs really and try to get going there.

Having said that he should start in the Cup, not the league.
 
He set up the penalty yesterday with a great pass, that was a bit of magic and got us a point.
I think Critchley want shim in the no. 10 role, I am sure he will either improve or be dropped, don't write him off yet. The problem for Critch is that we don't have anyone else who can play in that role ATM. Embleton isn't happening and Kai Kai has been released.
 
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
He set up the penalty yesterday with a great pass, that was a bit of magic and got us a point.
I think Critchley want shim in the no. 10 role, I am sure he will either improve or be dropped, don't write him off yet. The problem for Critch is that we don't have anyone else who can play in that role ATM. Embleton isn't happening and Kai Kai has been released.
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Agree with that. He has the touch. I just want him to be stronger in possession.
 
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Agree with that. He has the touch. I just want him to be stronger in possession.
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Embleton wasn't great at first, in fact I couldn't see how he was getting a game when Kai Kai was on the bench. I remember his first match, a defeat away at Ipswich where he was completely anonymous. Give the lad a chance, if he's not contributing I am sure he will go back to Arsenal like Woodburn did last season.
It is worth emphasising that despite many people's reservations, he set up one of the goals yesterday.
 
Have to agree. He has the raw materials for sure, and has proved at Doncaster he can score. I'm seeing him make good runs, he is quick, his first touch is very good with quick feet and looks to have a decent pass. If we could make it work ideally I'd like to see what he could do behind the front two of Lavery and Yates, but I'm not sure we can play that way at the moment.

Two open questions for me are if he can stay fit with us after the two spells of injury at Doncaster - hopefully he has more luck. And same as others, from the few games so far his 'sensitivity' to the rough and tumble of proper league football. He looks eager to get stuck in but not good when getting it back.

I'm definitely in the camp of giving him more time. It is madness to write him off so early, especially when the rest of the team are in no way settled yet either. And as ElBurro pointed out he did help get the penalty with a superb through ball that forced Bournemouth to bring Anderson down.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
He set up the penalty yesterday with a great pass, that was a bit of magic and got us a point.
I think Critchley want shim in the no. 10 role, I am sure he will either improve or be dropped, don't write him off yet. The problem for Critch is that we don't have anyone else who can play in that role ATM. Embleton isn't happening and Kai Kai has been released.
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And Kaikai came on as a sub after 63 minutes in the wing back role yesterday, in L1. Still desperately seeking a number 10 role.
 
Abel said:
Yep, been saying this since the Cardiff game. And as we saw in the playoff final with Brennan Johnson (when it was a Championship ref), throwing yourself down in this league ain't going to get you anywhere.

Weird thing is, when he was on loan at Lincoln he did nothing of the sort.
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I don't remember him being on loan at Lincoln. Was that the season before last or earlier?
 
I think if the messageboard can all see TJJ's weaknesses so Critch probably can too.
It's down to the coaching staff to correct those and the players willingness to learn. Put those two elements together and we might have a decent player. Doesn’t strike as a future Premier league star though.
 
Give it time. Simms took his time too, and needed a roughing up or two in the early games to realise that it wasn’t academy football - he was up against men who were physically strong.

Then he had to look at Jerry and learn that to contribute he had to up his work rate and run himself into the ground. I forget the game it was bit after about 35 mins he was seriously blowing out of his arse whilst Jerry was running around like a man possessed. It’s a long season, and he will at some stage click.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
He set up the penalty yesterday with a great pass, that was a bit of magic and got us a point.
I think Critchley want shim in the no. 10 role, I am sure he will either improve or be dropped, don't write him off yet. The problem for Critch is that we don't have anyone else who can play in that role ATM. Embleton isn't happening and Kai Kai has been released.
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Anderson could do it.
 
100% - Simms was shite for about 5 games until he was brilliant... Just got knocked about and looked a bit lost.

TJJ'S pass to Keshi was beautiful for the pen and Keshi should have done better from another really nice through ball. There's a player with some vision there.
Chunkylad said:
Give it time. Simms took his time too, and needed a roughing up or two in the early games to realise that it wasn’t academy football - he was up against men who were physically strong.

Then he had to look at Jerry and learn that to contribute he had to up his work rate and run himself into the ground. I forget the game it was bit after about 35 mins he was seriously blowing out of his arse whilst Jerry was running around like a man possessed. It’s a long season, and he will at some stage click.
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Think he was a little unlucky with the booking, he fried to keep the ball in play whilst on the ground and did not seem to be trying to claim a penalty
 
HodderSeasider said:
I remember him scoring for Doncaster against us or am I getting confused in my old age?
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Looked it up. Reece James scored against us in the 3-2 collapsing clown car spectacular loss at the Keepmoat and John Jules didn't play. He did play in the 2-0 home win tho and obvs didn't score.
 
td53 said:
100% - Simms was shite for about 5 games until he was brilliant... Just got knocked about and looked a bit lost.

TJJ'S pass to Keshi was beautiful for the pen and Keshi should have done better from another really nice through ball. There's a player with some vision there.
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Simms had off games, mostly when we played 2 games in a week. When he was fresh, he was our best player.
 
Chunkylad said:
Give it time. Simms took his time too, and needed a roughing up or two in the early games to realise that it wasn’t academy football - he was up against men who were physically strong.

Then he had to look at Jerry and learn that to contribute he had to up his work rate and run himself into the ground. I forget the game it was bit after about 35 mins he was seriously blowing out of his arse whilst Jerry was running around like a man possessed. It’s a long season, and he will at some stage click.
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Simms is a much bigger build but let’s give him a chance

Squad player not a starter in my opinion
 
zico_bamber said:
Simms had off games, mostly when we played 2 games in a week. When he was fresh, he was our best player.
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He wasn't for quite some time. He scored twice against Wigan, but I could have scored them. Wigan had just given up cos Gaz Maz had bullied them to death. Then when Madine got crocked and he was played in that role he looked really lost. At first.

The point to me, is, he learned. Not that he was poor. He adapted and listened and watched and by the end of his spell he was unbelievably good.

I think we probably learned to play to him as well. I agree that by the play offs/end of season, he was as good, if not better than anyone else and to be honest, I'd struggle to think of many better striking performances than oxford away from anyone.
 
Also, (not to zico this, just general) Simms and John-Jules are different players. Simms wouldn't have played the three weighted balls John-Jules played yesterday. I feel the lad is getting a bit of stick for not being someone else at times.

We learned to get the best out of Simms, we'll hopefully learn the same with John Jules.

On a ridiculous comparison level, Charlie is not Wes. Brett is not Tony Ellis etc. Players can play similar positions but be very different.

We've got Madine to come back to be an enforcer and whilst some doubt him, simply to be that physical presence, I'd say we'd struggle to get someone as canny and capable (if fit)

I know he's limited in a lot of ways, but we've got options that we simply didn't have last year and John Jules adds variety.
 
Given the strikers we have in our squad, I think he can consider himself lucky that he's had as much game time as he has so far. We've got Yates who's on the back of a fantastic season, Lavery who's immediately hit the ground running and Madine who's got profound experience at this level and would undoubtedly have been very involved if fit. Basically, he doesn't have all the time in the world to prove himself with those three to compete against, particularly if Madine is to be back soon. I'm seeing lots of references to how Simms took time to settle in, but he had that time because there were literally no other striking options other than Yates at the time. Furthermore it was Simms' very first experience of men's football, whereas John Jules is now in his third season of it, he's already had time to adjust, and has been fairly average at a lower level than this. With this in mind, is he going to suddenly set the Championship alight? I would love to think he will, and there's no-one better than Critchley to bring it out of him, but I think he's going to have to raise it up a level fairly soon if he's going to keep getting the opportunity
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I wasn’t his greatest fan based on Cardiff HOWEVER anyone who thinks he didn’t justify this starting position yesterday really needs to re-watch the match - he’s involved in everything
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I did rewatch the match last night and I see what you're saying, he did some good things, he's a lock picker, but I wouldn't say he was involved in everything? Or involved as much as he could be. But then neither was Jerry, nor Lavery when he came on. They don't get enough supply. More to come from JJ I'm sure.
 
I thought his booking for a dive was incorrect.
He seemed to fall over and then he tried to play the ball again before the Referee booked him.
I looked like he was trying to get that point across to the Referee.
 
abt1835 said:
I thought his booking for a dive was incorrect.
He seemed to fall over and then he tried to play the ball again before the Referee booked him.
I looked like he was trying to get that point across to the Referee.
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Yeah that's what happened. It might've been a double bluff though! Go down, then carry on, hope the ref gives summat!
 
abt1835 said:
I thought his booking for a dive was incorrect.
He seemed to fall over and then he tried to play the ball again before the Referee booked him.
I looked like he was trying to get that point across to the Referee.
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He had previous for going to ground before that incident. That may have made up the ref's mind.
 
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