Johnson- The Blithering Idiot

What an embarrassment this spluttering idiot is!

Does he not know how to speak in public ?
He’s making total sense to me. If he spoke in less layman or human terms he would be called a spiff out of touch with reality.
His points are being backed up by the scientific and medical experts attending the brief and advising the government.
Surely the content and ability to comprehend that is more important than anybody’s opinion of his delivery right now, especially when you factor in the fact he has to answer questions that he has already answered just so some media journalists gets the chance to raise their profile.
 
To be fair to him, I think there's a lot more clarity than yesterday. The whole one on one thing will be tricky to enforce though.

Different rules for different countries on one island doesn't help. If you live in Chester you can drive to the prom on the Wirral but not go to the North Wales coast.
 
He’s making total sense to me. If he spoke in less layman or human terms he would be called a spiff out of touch with reality.
His points are being backed up by the scientific and medical experts attending the brief and advising the government.
Surely the content and ability to comprehend that is more important than anybody’s opinion of his delivery right now, especially when you factor in the fact he has to answer questions that he has already answered just so some media journalists gets the chance to raise their profile.

Did he make total sense today when he said that COVID could be transmitted in the water supply of a town?
 
To be fair to him, I think there's a lot more clarity than yesterday. The whole one on one thing will be tricky to enforce though.

Different rules for different countries on one island doesn't help. If you live in Chester you can drive to the prom on the Wirral but not go to the North Wales coast.
I think that’s a problem related to Scotland and Wales choosing to go their separate ways, and not a lack of clarity from our government.
 
He’s making total sense to me. If he spoke in less layman or human terms he would be called a spiff out of touch with reality.
His points are being backed up by the scientific and medical experts attending the brief and advising the government.
Surely the content and ability to comprehend that is more important than anybody’s opinion of his delivery right now, especially when you factor in the fact he has to answer questions that he has already answered just so some media journalists gets the chance to raise their profile.
Totally agree Lala unfortunately some people need it spelling out in Janet and John book style! Oh shit that’s showing my age!
 
I think that’s a problem related to Scotland and Wales choosing to go their separate ways, and not a lack of clarity from our government.
Agree again Lala, as l said on another thread the devolved Nations are playing the 'you stitched us up over Brexit card'
 
Feels like more of a ‘nudge’ back to work attempt rather than a purely scientific judgement.
We had to try and get back on with things at some point though. The road map is now there anyway, which is what people were asking for.
Let’s just hope the numbers hold steady so we can stick to it and begin to get our lives back 🤞.
If only more people would keep their two metres distance at least when it is easy for them to do it that would help!
 
Exactly. But some people want spoon feeding and will look for any opportunity to dissect and criticise. It's all pretty clear and it's about using common sense and a bit of self discipline. Here are the guidelines in simplified terms for anyone who's interested. Worth a read and pretty clear -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...avirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Thanks for the link Rusty.

Looks as if we can visit garden centres from Wednesday according to that. I’d been looking out for that but reports seemed to suggest it was Wales only.
 
rusty2stands...you are spot on...if you work outdoors...brickie..roofer...paint and decorater etc if there is work available...go and do it....you work in a factory and theres work there...go and do it....if you work in a office and theres work...go and do it..it still means we keep to social distancing....it seems everyone interviewed on the tv news is a ** expert....the problem is too many people are playing russian roulette not only with there own lives but family members as well....i dont know what people expected boris to say...but to me it seemed very clear.
 
He was annihilated again in PMQ again today. Starmer gave him a list of very specific questions to which he just spoke many many words for a very long time after which no questions were answered.
I saw that. Some questions didn’t warrant or have a precise answer to though. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff with regards the quality of questions and realistic expectation of answers, as we all will do.
Unprecedented times.
 
I think that’s a problem related to Scotland and Wales choosing to go their separate ways, and not a lack of clarity from our government.
With respect, Lala, you are only seeing Wales and Scotland from a London media viewpoint. What is much clearer up here is that, whilst the North of England was behind London, but has now caught up going down(does that even make sense??), we are further behind, with our R estimated at 0.7 to 0.9. The SNP Government is finally only managing for Scotland, rather than the Independence rubbish. They shut schools quicker, shut building sites and generally were very clear. They were totally cut out of the loop yesterday. I have said often enough I want to be back at work as soon as possible, the body responsible for my health up here is not the UK Government, it is the Scottish Government.
 
With respect, Lala, you are only seeing Wales and Scotland from a London media viewpoint. What is much clearer up here is that, whilst the North of England was behind London, but has now caught up going down(does that even make sense??), we are further behind, with our R estimated at 0.7 to 0.9. The SNP Government is finally only managing for Scotland, rather than the Independence rubbish. They shut schools quicker, shut building sites and generally were very clear. They were totally cut out of the loop yesterday. I have said often enough I want to be back at work as soon as possible, the body responsible for my health up here is not the UK Government, it is the Scottish Government.
I totally get that Mossy and their right to go it alone. But that doesn’t mean there is a lack of clarity in what we in England are being advised. We know we can’t travel to Scotland, and we should respect that. But that clarity is there I think.
I don’t see it from a London viewpoint either, from an English one yes.
 
The problem is how thrown together it all is.Its alright saying at 12 hours notice to go back to work but are the schools staffed and have the measures in place for the sudden influx? Same thing with the public transport,12 hours notice and they are meant to be ready for a sudden rise in passengers?

Then you have to think about the businesses,especially small businesses.They have had no guidance on how they should be getting their workplace safe enough nevermind at such short notice. How are they supposed to afford to put these measures in place it could cripple thousands.Johnson says any business not covid secure will be strongly dealt with but youve given them zero guidance,support,financial support,timescale,relevant notice period.
 
I think Boris speaks pretty well. He doesn't *plan* well or have the right policies (imo) but let's play the ball not the man.

The key point is one of timing and preparation to me. He's not laying out a road map that makes sense with timescales and actions.

Yes, he's saying what individuals can do and what he wants the case to be, but the wider structural questions aren't answered. How do businesses turn profits (or at least break even) if they are restricted to serving a small percentage of their usual custom? How do childcare providers meet the likely social distancing measures? What do people without cars do to get to work? How do businesses swallow the cost of staff who continue to shield for valid reasons and so on.

It's clear enough what we can and can't do as *individuals* but now there's a huge debate about what we can and can't do and how it all works on a wider level. It's really important and my main critique of him is he seems to leave stuff till the last minute and then throw it out.

I don't think that's point scoring, I think that's a fair observation. Whether any other party would manage it better, who can say. It's pointless speculation but hopefully as the week goes on, the gaps will get filled and the right questions asked. That's the job of the opposition, not just to constantly run down the character of the government - to ask the right questions that exposes the flaws in the plan. Which there inevitably will be.
 
He’s making total sense to me. If he spoke in less layman or human terms he would be called a spiff out of touch with reality.
His points are being backed up by the scientific and medical experts attending the brief and advising the government.
Surely the content and ability to comprehend that is more important than anybody’s opinion of his delivery right now, especially when you factor in the fact he has to answer questions that he has already answered just so some media journalists gets the chance to raise their profile.
He knows he's a toff and he knows he is trying his best to be man-of-the-people when he does these briefings. However, it's important that he speaks sense and usefully when addressing the Nation. Of course there will be people who will say he speaks well, and he does. But, it has to make sense and it has to be useful.
 
I see the press are peddling the " common sense' line touted by Johnson. You know who will get the blame if there's a second wave of infections.
 
Macseasider said:
He was annihilated again in PMQ again today. Starmer gave him a list of very specific questions to which he just spoke many many words for a very long time after which no questions were answered.

He's a blustering playactor and comprehensively outclassed by someone with a bit of intelligence about them.

Strange that it's always remainers who lead the charge against the PM. As one of the papers said today, Boris Johnson could cure coronavirus, cancer, world famine and end wars overnight and he’d still be loathed by those who blame him for Brexit.
 
With respect, Lala, you are only seeing Wales and Scotland from a London media viewpoint. What is much clearer up here is that, whilst the North of England was behind London, but has now caught up going down(does that even make sense??), we are further behind, with our R estimated at 0.7 to 0.9. The SNP Government is finally only managing for Scotland, rather than the Independence rubbish. They shut schools quicker, shut building sites and generally were very clear. They were totally cut out of the loop yesterday. I have said often enough I want to be back at work as soon as possible, the body responsible for my health up here is not the UK Government, it is the Scottish Government.
Sturgeon knows the English tax payer will bail her out, expect to be back a work no time soon! 🤭
 
Strange that it's always remainers who lead the charge against the PM. As one of the papers said today, Boris Johnson could cure coronavirus, cancer, world famine and end wars overnight and he’d still be loathed by those who blame him for Brexit.

Voted leave as it happened. And you are clutching at straws if you think this has anything to do with Brexit. A terrible lazy analogy. If you'd have watched PMQ and had a balanced view without a Blue rosette and a Union Jack then you'd agree.
 
Macseasider said:
He was annihilated again in PMQ again today. Starmer gave him a list of very specific questions to which he just spoke many many words for a very long time after which no questions were answered.



Strange that it's always remainers who lead the charge against the PM. As one of the papers said today, Boris Johnson could cure coronavirus, cancer, world famine and end wars overnight and he’d still be loathed by those who blame him for Brexit.
Accepted that we have left Europe but doesn't change the fact he's a fuckwit one jot.
 
I think PMQs should be the first item on the news every Wednesday.

It'd show what a "blithering idiot" Johnson really is. Starmer will wipe the floor with him week after week. I have it on good authority that Dominic Cummings is now trying to get PMQs removed from the Parliamentary timetable before the hole Johnsons digging himself into gets too deep!
 
On good authority 😂
I would expect Starmer to get the better of Johnson, him being a former prosecution barrister. But let's wait and see what his policies are. And let's see how he proposes to dig Labour out of this massive hole which Grandad Magic and his lunatic followers dug themselves in. Let's see how he can bring in moderate policies whilst Momentum and the hard left are still hovering in the background.
 
From the Torygraph

"
Keir Starmer took Boris Johnson apart like a Duplo train set
At PMQs, the new Labour leader asked a series of calmly factual questions – and the Prime Minister visibly struggled
 
I would be very impressed if at one press conference Boris just said " You do understand we're fuckin winging this? Like all governments we haven't got a clue!"
 
On good authority 😂
I would expect Starmer to get the better of Johnson, him being a former prosecution barrister. But let's wait and see what his policies are. And let's see how he proposes to dig Labour out of this massive hole which Grandad Magic and his lunatic followers dug themselves in. Let's see how he can bring in moderate policies whilst Momentum and the hard left are still hovering in the background.
Grandad Magic and his nationalised railways, guaranteed income for all, massive investment in the NHS etc.

Take your head out of the PMs arse and you'll see these are now claimed as Tory great successes, all without reference to how it will be funded.

Labour's policies were vilified but are now seen as the panacea to the crisis.
 
Grandad Magic and his nationalised railways, guaranteed income for all, massive investment in the NHS etc.

Take your head out of the PMs arse and you'll see these are now claimed as Tory great successes, all without reference to how it will be funded.

Labour's policies were vilified but are now seen as the panacea to the crisis.
I remember quite a few on here getting all giddy about Boris reopening Blackpool Airport and the Poulton to Fleetwood rail line too.
 
Grandad Magic and his nationalised railways, guaranteed income for all, massive investment in the NHS etc.

Take your head out of the PMs arse and you'll see these are now claimed as Tory great successes, all without reference to how it will be funded.

Labour's policies were vilified but are now seen as the panacea to the crisis.
Labour's policies were roundly rejected by the British people. Not just by a small margin but by a huge margin.
Why do you think Corbyn's gone and they have a new more moderate leader?
And you're trying to say that the Tories have nicked Labour's policies? In case you hadn't noticed we're in the middle of the biggest crisis since WW2. That's the reason for current government policy. They haven't suddenly decided to adopt Corbyn's lunatic policies. During normal times the government wouldn't be adopting policies like this thank goodness. It's a national emergency.
And for your information I don't have my head up anyone's arse. I don't blindly follow one party and I'm actually not a huge fan of Boris Johnson. So quit the insults please. I voted Tory at the last election because the alternative would have been an utter disaster. I've previously voted Labour on several occasions. I actually welcome Starmer's appointment as leader.
Hard line socialism is dead in this country.
The experiment Labour tried with failed miserably and was roundly rejected.
So now they've gone back to a Tony Blair type leader. Slick and sharp suited with moderate policies. Well lets see how those moderate policies go down with Momentum and all the other left wing lunatics still infesting the Labour Party. I can see another fight with the hard left just like Kinnock had in the 80's. Let's hope Starmer is up for the fight because the country needs a strong Labour Party and a strong opposition.
 
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