Keep VAR or end VAR?

VAR...

  • Keep it

    Votes: 11 15.1%
  • Get rid

    Votes: 62 84.9%

  • Total voters
    73
have to disagree with a lot of that. You're trying to conflate two points.. It's not the players that are referring decisions to VAR it's the match referee himself. If it's not the match referee, it's the VAR ref himself bringing an incident to the referees attention. I really don't see why the onus should be passed from a referee to a player regarding a mistake being made.by an official. It isn't tennis or cricket where there is a natural break between points/ball. It has to be for the two refs to sort out. And why put pressure on a ref to get a decision right within sixty seconds? The important thing is they get it right. Sure, i agree some decisions are taking too long but i put that down to the over use of slomo.
I'm not 'trying to conflate' anything. I'm giving an opinion on how I'd do it cos it's ** shite now. I never said players are referring anything did I?

I said it would be more of spectacle if they did.

My point isn't that I want 'perfect' decisions. That's never happening. It's that such a system would drastically reduce the use of VAR and still allow 'howlers' to be challenged.
 
I'm not 'trying to conflate' anything. I'm giving an opinion on how I'd do it cos it's ** shite now. I never said players are referring anything did I?
"fuckibg shire" because some of the rules don't allow for VAR making the officials make poor decisions. See my link above.
 
I’ve said before, the only technology we really need is goal line tech, either that or another Lino to specifically watch the goal line , or goal area.
No issue at all with goal line tech. It's either over or not at a fixed point. That's totally different from trying to draw a line at random points between players constant moving and working it out the exact point a pass was played.

Which is pointless and a waste of time. If it takes more than 10 seconds, call it 'level' and have done with it.
 
The difference between cricket and football is that a) cricket is less frenziedly dissected (outside of India) but more importantly b) each 'play' is discrete and there are a finite number of variables and generally, the outcome is related to a small number of players.

Football is pure chaos and each play is interlinked and can involve 20+ bodies Even the most chaotic event in cricket only lasts a few moments, until the ball is dead again and play is reset. You never have a situation where the whole of two sides try to catch the ball for example, but you might feasably get every player on both sides going for the ball in a last minute corner where the keeper is up.

I don't know enough about how it applies to rugby, I've only ever seen it applied to adjudge whether a try is grounded.

I'm not sure 'it works ok in cricket' is an argument for it working in football though.
Rugby Union is a sport with many complicated rules, laws, as well as many on field variables (15 players per side). The ref can refer any issue to the video ref: offside, blocking off, foul play, foot in touch, knock ons, high tackles, trips, assessment of potentially forwards passes, tackling an opponent whilst in the air, grounding the ball etc etc

And it works, and is usually applied when there's a natural break in play. I would agree with td53 that there are likely to be less breaks in play in football but it could still work similarly subject to amendments like those suggested in my original post and others in the thread. (edit - think you've highlighted quite an emotive issue with this thread td53)
 
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TD53

Apologies, gotta new laptop and it's taking a while to get used to it. I typed a reply and it's gone. I don't think it's "** shite" at all. It's the rules and the officials that haven't adapted properly to its use. In other words it wasn't VAR that fucked up with Fulhams disallowed goal was it? That showed clearly what happened. It was the law/rule and the officials interpretation of it wasn't it? Don't blame technology for something that isn't it's fault..
 
I’ve said before, the only technology we really need is goal line tech, either that or another Lino to specifically watch the goal line , or goal area.
Disagree with the million camera angles and the speed of the game referees and officials simply make too many mistakes which is constantly pointed out within seconds for anyone viewing which includes all the coaches and manager.

Mistakes where tolerated in years gone because live you didn't see them but like other sports when they realised they had to change they did.

So you either put more officials on the pitch 2 Refs etc allow Technology or just shrug you shoulders and go hell it's OK for them to make so many mistakes and every week and Ref get persecuted.

We can't go back to how it was or we won't have any referee's.
 
Disagree with the million camera angles and the speed of the game referees and officials simply make too many mistakes which is constantly pointed out within seconds for anyone viewing which includes all the coaches and manager.

Mistakes where tolerated in years gone because live you didn't see them but like other sports when they realised they had to change they did.

So you either put more officials on the pitch 2 Refs etc allow Technology or just shrug you shoulders and go hell it's OK for them to make so many mistakes and every week and Ref get persecuted.

We can't go back to how it was or we won't have any referee's.
yep agree. Is there a major team sport now which doesn't use technology?
 
TD53

Apologies, gotta new laptop and it's taking a while to get used to it. I typed a reply and it's gone. I don't think it's "** shite" at all. It's the rules and the officials that haven't adapted properly to its use.
I think we can argue semantically about what VAR means (tech or people) but it's dismal in its current form and needs to back off.

The referee is primarily a facilitator and by and large,a good ref is a hands off ref who intervenes to stop cheating and let's play flow otherwise

I don't see a player beating offside by 1.5 inches as cheating or a player who instinctively covers his face when a ball is kicked at him as cheating.

I want refereeing to facilitate football, not to interrupt it constantly. Whether further rule changes improve it, I don't know. We'll see.
 
I don't buy all this "it's not the VAR it's the people using it" stuff. It's categorically shit and in no way conducive to an instinctive and fluid game like football. All other sports that use it are stop / start sports. Football isn't.
 
Disagree with the million camera angles and the speed of the game referees and officials simply make too many mistakes which is constantly pointed out within seconds for anyone viewing which includes all the coaches and manager.

Mistakes where tolerated in years gone because live you didn't see them but like other sports when they realised they had to change they did.

So you either put more officials on the pitch 2 Refs etc allow Technology or just shrug you shoulders and go hell it's OK for them to make so many mistakes and every week and Ref get persecuted.

We can't go back to how it was or we won't have any referee's.
I dunno, people used to say 'well, it was a close one, they go either way' and maybe they could get used to saying that again?
 
Rugby Union is a sport with many complicated rules, laws, as well as many on field variables (15 players per side). The ref can refer any issue to the video ref: offside, blocking off, foul play, foot in touch, knock ons, high tackles, trips, assessment of potentially forwards passes, tackling an opponent whilst in the air, grounding the ball etc etc

And it works, and is usually applied when there's a natural break in play. I would agree with td53 that there are likely to be less breaks in play in football but it could still work similarly subject to amendments like those suggested in my original post and others in the thread. (edit - think you've highlighted quite an emotive issue with this thread td53)
Cheers Dave. I've not watched rugby for years. I'm sure last time I did it was in its infancy. Interesting that it now applies to whole game.
 
It has ruined the spectacle that once was Premier League football.

As for Henry's and Maradona's handballs etc - these are things of football folklore. They never ruined the sport. In fact they added to the history of it as we still talk about them.
Sepp Blatter didn't get much right but he did say that VAR would be bad for this reason.
I'd get rid of it today but if we are to keep it I'd make it more like cricket or tennis, give each team 2 appeals to VAR per game.
That way the referee can get his authority back and play his natural game and the pressure to get the VAR appeal right is on the captains on the pitch or the manager.
It would add excitement, the current system is a joyless drain on enthusiasm.
 
VAR wouldn't have any effect on the Lampard goal. Different system for goal line technology that actually works.
You make a fair point Wizard re Lampard's goal but ultimately it is still technology determining the outcome, just like VAR in the case of offsides. For me, my the greatest benefit of VAR is eliminating the 'big club' bias. Think about our season in the EPL. Lots of decisions went against 'little' Blackpool e.g. the home game against ManUre, 2-0 up, playing them off the park and Varney gets flattened in the box and the ref didn't give it. As clear a penalty as you will see. Ultimately, we only needed one more point to stay up and there is no doubt in my mind we would have stayed up with VAR in place. But, of course, if that happened we would still have the one who shall never again be mentioned in charge of the club 😀
 
I think we can argue semantically about what VAR means (tech or people) but it's dismal in its current form and needs to back off.

The referee is primarily a facilitator and by and large,a good ref is a hands off ref who intervenes to stop cheating and let's play flow otherwise

I don't see a player beating offside by 1.5 inches as cheating or a player who instinctively covers his face when a ball is kicked at him as cheating.

I want refereeing to facilitate football, not to interrupt it constantly. Whether further rule changes improve it, I don't know. We'll see.
Look you put it up for vote and i voted and have given my reasons. I keep making my same point, it's not VAR it's the rules that need to change in order for the refs to make it right. That includes the points you make in your third para. I don't think VAR will be scrapped now but i'd bet if it was you'd have managers moaning just as much as they do now about poor/wrong decisions. Because it's an absolute certainty you'd have fans, pundits and uncle rom cobleigh and all moaning about what was a blatant handball, offside etc.
 
I don't buy all this "it's not the VAR it's the people using it" stuff. It's categorically shit and in no way conducive to an instinctive and fluid game like football. All other sports that use it are stop / start sports. Football isn't.
We’re human, we make mistakes. I would rather it was done in real time and piss and moan about it after rather than watching 5 minutes of deliberation only to get the wrong decision from a human error and kill the game. Move on it’s garbage.
 
We’re human, we make mistakes. I would rather it was done in real time and piss and moan about it after rather than watching 5 minutes of deliberation only to get the wrong decision from a human error and kill the game. Move on it’s garbage.
yep, let's back to refereeing decisions costing us our place in the PL. Because subconciously or not the refs favoured the big teams.
 
yep, let's back to refereeing decisions costing us our place in the PL. Because subconciously or not the refs favoured the big teams.
We would still of been shafted with VAR, they make it up as they go along as they are ** gash. The big boys will always win out I’m afraid.
 
And that's why VAR has to stay. Ref gives a red card against Burnley and penalty to Arsenal which would likely have been the winning goal. VAR rightly overturns both decisions. Sure on monday the red card would have been rescinded but you can't change the result and the injustice of it..
 
Get rid, because the people implementing it are clearly incapable of doing so correctly.
We're still getting horrendous decisions, it's just taking minutes to decide.
The will it/won't it stand wait after virtually every goal is killing the game.
Millions will switch off eventually.
 
Just watched the Burnley - Arsenal game.
For once VAR Ref got it right, penalty against Burnley and sending off rescinded by VAR Ref, both Pen and sending off cancelled. 👍
Still would get rid though.
 
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