Time is UP
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Looks like the promise of no increase in NI VAT and INCOME TAX will be short lived. Expect the worse on budget day. I will never never believe another politician.
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BigHandsOliverKahn
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You kept on believing politicians after Boris Johnson?
Time is UP
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Unfortunately I did believe in a Labour government.BUT I will never vote for them
again. It's Reform for me see how that pans out GOOD or BAD.
EdgeleyTangerine
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Out of the frying pan into the fire
Jaffa_The_Hut
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I think a lot of people will be giving Labour a wide berth at the next election.
Likewise a lot of people will be voting for Reform next time just to breakaway from the Tory/Labour stronghold.
Surely they can’t do any worse than this current shower? I mean will they see out another 4 years?
EdgeleyTangerine
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Reform will be significantly worse.
Why would Labour not see out the next 4 years?
stbe
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Why? What evidence have you seen?
Jaffa_The_Hut
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How do you know that? Simple you don’t it’s just you’re assumption.
The people of this country won’t put up for another 4 years of illegal immigration/Asylum seekers going through the roof, the levels of crime we are seeing from them is on the increase as we’ve just seen with this atrocious murder in London of an innocent man then we have all the sex beasts and that’s not even mentioning the tax rises which Rachael from accounts said it wouldn’t be happening under her watch.
You must be blind or completely ignoring it if you can’t see it all unfolding in front of you.
Labour are currently 17% in the opinion polls for a reason.
EdgeleyTangerine
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The mistake Labour made was promising they wouldn’t raise taxes. The reality is it should have been the first thing they did.
EdgeleyTangerine
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So you think the man who campaigned for Brexit which has caused irreparable damage to the economy and also worsened immigration (which seems to be all you’re bothered about) is the man to take this country forward? To think you have the audacity to call me blind. Turkeys voting for Christmas…..
Blackpool Are Back!
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I guess its coz he wouldn't give a straight `yes' or `no' answer to the, "will there be tax rises in the next budget", question at PMQ's today.
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Jaffa_The_Hut
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Well for someone who voted Labour in little over 15 months ago I can honestly say it’s the worst thing I’ve ever done in my life and I’ll regret it till the day I die.
I’m old enough to remember the Labour Party used to be for the working class and it put the people of this country first it’s gone the complete opposite now and thinks nothing anymore of the people and it continually puts other people first.
It’s a shambles these days it really is the sooner they’ve gone the better.
Clockwork Tangerine
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EXACTLY!
WHEN WILL THE CRY BABY LEFT SEE THAT REFORM IS FOR THE WORKING CLASS?!
NOTHING SAYS FOR THE WORKING MAN LIKE A VOTE FOR REFORM!
A PARTY BUILT ON THE FOUNDATIONS OF THATCHERISM AND FILLED BY FORMER TORIES! HOW MUCH MORE WORKING CLASS CAN YOU GET?!
THEY ARE THE BEST REPRESENTATION OF THE WORKING CLASS YOU COULD ASK FOR!
DON'T THE LEFT KNOW THAT NIGEL FARAGE IS A WORKING CLASS BOY DONE GOOD?!
BROUGHT UP BY A STOCKBROKER FATHER, ATTENDING PRIVATE SCHOOL AND THEN WORKING AS A COMMODITIES TRADER IN LONDON.
IT'S SUCH AN INSPIRING WORKING CLASS STORY THAT IT MAKES YOU QUESTION WHETHER THE MINORS IN THE 70S ACTUALLY HAD IT THAT BAD!
Threepeaksphil
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Well said. Sir Keir lied at PMQs by saying waiting lists coming down when he knows their going the other way
Old_Laytonian
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Latest date for the next General Election is August 2029. He can lie as much as he wants and the electorate can't do anything about it until then.
20togo
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can i suggest you visit Andys Man Club. They can give you the help you need.
Lost Seasider
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Farage's latest ego trip, no real policies, any promises they do make will fall apart on first contact with reality, the people behind Farage make even this current lot look competent.
Essentially it's just a protest movement with no answers for the country's problems.
Clockwork Tangerine
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WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
THAT PEOPLE WHO THINK REFORM ARE FOR THE WORKING CLASS NEED TO SEEK HELP WITH MENTAL HEALTH?
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONE OF US?!
YOU'RE NO PATRIOT!
YOU LEFTIST CORBYN LOVING TOFU MUNCHING RADICAL!
EdgeleyTangerine
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The worst thing you have EVER done? So unnecessarily over dramatic.
To be clear you now don’t like Labour because they no longer represent the working class but yet you support Reform who don’t represent the working class
20togo
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you prove my point. Pay them a visit. The sooner you get help, the better you'll feel.
Olliesoffhistrolley
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You say you believed in a Labour Government but now will vote reform even if the party works against you . Hahaha
Reform UK is primarily funded by a small number of wealthy donors, many of whom have previously supported the Conservative Party. The party has also sought donations from individuals and companies linked to tax havens, raising concerns about foreign influence in British politics.
A perfect choice for the working class that allow themselves to be played .
Having said that if you happen to be racist and a supporter of Russian propagandists you have found your home for sure .
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Clockwork Tangerine
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I PROVE YOU'RE POINT THAT REFORM VOTERS NEED MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT?
YOU REALLY HAVE LET ME DOWN!
NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING FARAGE ISN'T A WORKING CLASS HERO! THE LEFTY WOKE MOB REALLY HAVE GOTTEN TO YOU!
20togo
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go on, give them a call. They can help you.
Matesrates
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They based their whole economic strategy on growth and then put up employers NI and minimum wage. How they didn’t understand it wouldn’t work is beyond me. So now they have to admit they cocked it up.
Clockwork Tangerine
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WHAT'S WITH THE ANIMOSITY? JUST BECAUSE I'M A PATRIOT THAT MEANS I HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES?!
YOU'RE BEING RACISTS TO PATRIOTS WITH COMMENTS LIKE THAT!
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Have you not found that caps lock yet FFS unlock it.
Clockwork Tangerine
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COURSE I'VE FOUND IT! THAT'S WHY IM WRITING IN CAPS!
Time is UP
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His reply to the conservative at prime minister questions today that's why.
Time is UP
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So Labour have one have they.
Wizaard
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Actually, think it's fairly clear they would be a lot worse.
FY4Representer
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It’s unbelievable how they thought this was a viable way forward. It’s the shortest of short term solutions. The way I See it, the problem is, and this goes for any party voted in on a GE in this country, is that they can only work to a 5-year plan on the assumption they’ll only serve a singular term. This immediately eliminates any potential long term strategies and every single government will focus on “quick wins” over long term solutions. It’s depressing knowing there’s nothing we can do to change it. The other big issue is the lack of accountability taken by governments who don’t follow up on manifesto promises. They’re allowed to promise the world without repercussions if they don’t deliver.
Democracy doesn’t work in this country with the way it is. We need major political reform, just not from Reform.
ToBeHonest
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Hey lefties Labour , Greens and Liberals your just into politics of Malicious Envy …… get a life
Wizaard
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I never thought I'd be agreeing with @Lost Seasider , but this is spot on.
Sarah Pochin driven mad by over representation...
She should look closer to home. Reform have 0.7% of MPs yet get more airtime than any other political party. Why?
They are the party who want to withdraw from the ECHR, like Russia, they want to stop funding the NHS and replace it with an insurance based system, like USA and give massive tax breaks to the richest.
The same rich people who would benefit most from a Reform government, at the cost of the rest of us.
Costero Poderoso
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That's a bit like saying all the evidence suggests the Christian God doesn't exist so I'm going to believe in Odin from now on.
PNENIL
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That's completely OTT and laughable. If voting for a political party is the worst thing you've done in your life you've had a very sheltered one.
If you vote for a party and turn so much against them in such a short time without giving them any time to turn things round....well that says more about you than them.
Wizaard
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As opposed to the right laughing at everyone else while fleecing us all.
Wizaard
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To be fair, he has led a sheltered life because he has said a few times he'd never go to London for fear of being murdered.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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They’ve had over a year and things haven’t got any better in fact they’ve got worse Immigration, the cost of living, borrowing, inflation, how long should we give them?the future ahead looks bleak.
The average man in the street is going to be shafted in this up coming budget mark my words Rachael from accounts doesn’t have a pot to piss in.
EdgeleyTangerine
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It would seem the man who helped to create chaos by encouraging people to leave the EU is now apparently our knight in shining armour to save us from said chaos.
Only have to look over to America to see what’s coming for the UK if Reform ever get in.
RUSTY_2_STANDS
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Spot on
Lost Seasider
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Some surprising similarities between the two IMO.
Labour fought the last election on the back of a series of lies and false promises, now it looks as if Reform are going to try to fight the next one using the exact same tactics.
You think Reeves will ever admit she cocked it up? No chance. She is like SB in blaming others.
Spend and tax is a normal Labour strategy. But large spending increases funded primarily through taxation and borrowing is completely unsustainable without growth, which has been anaemic for ages. They got away with it under Blair for a while, because there was growth in both the economy and financial markets. But, they left the cupboard bare when they were voted out of office.
Without real growth in productivity and the economy (internationally as well as here), we will have to curb and control spending and there is also a real chance the financial markets will also react and take a nosedive.
None of the current parties are competent in managing the economy or the country and the politicians have shown themselves to be untrustworthy and in it for themselves. None are worth voting for.
Wizaard
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Wrong.
Net immigration is 450,000 down for starters, something Farage keeps quiet.
poolseasider
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2024 figures which half the year was under the Tories.
They where always going to come down after the huge numbers post COVID.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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You know what I’m talking about the 52,000 illegals that have arrived since Labour came to power.
Wizaard
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So you're ignoring the 400,000 who have gone under Labour who were sat in hotels under the Tories?
Jimmy Jazz
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Do you remember that £350 million on the side of that big red (British) bus?
poolseasider
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Do you remember the emergency budget,500,000 job losses,cuts to benefits and pensions,house price crashes,families £4,300 worse off, EU armies,Hard Boarder in Ireland etc?
Both sides lied but only one narrative is ever mentioned.
Jimmy Jazz
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It looks like I have misunderstood the o/p, I thought it was about the lack of trust of politicians.
I know nothing about EU armies but I know that we used to do exercises with many EU countries and continental American countries.
When I have been to Ireland I have not found the boarding to be hard, on the contrary.