Kneecap and 2 tier justice

JJpool

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news.sky.com

Kneecap apologise to families for 'kill your MP' remarks

Kneecap say they are facing a "co-ordinated smear campaign" after speaking out about "the ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people".
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Be interesting to see what if anything happens to them.

Afterall, Lucy Connoly got 2.5 years, after Southport, for a tweet which she deleted after a few hours in which said said something bad, but said do this for all I care. She also has some extenuating circumstances in that it was done in the heat of the moment after a brutal event, she had issues after losing a child to apparent NHS negligence and took things happening to children very hard, has PTSD. Had she have pled not guilty she's probably have got off far lighter, but pressure was put on many people to please guilty from the system and pressure from the top.


One guy who stuck to his guns still got remanded but found not guilty in a matter of minutes. He was reported by a member of the labour party.

freespeechunion.org

Labour reported me for racial hatred – a Jury cleared me in less than 20 minutes

A former Royal Marine who spent 20 days in prison after posting a Facebook video about illegal immigration has been
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Obviously some completely deserved time for their vile actions, but how many more would have been found not guilty if they hadn't folded to a system applying pressure.

What about this guy, Peter Lynch, who took his own life in prison, he shouldn't have been in there and for that length of time. Why did he plead guilty? Pressure.


Those kneecap words seem even more direct that Lucy Connollys.

What happened to the Manchester airport attackers or the Labour guy who said to slit peoples throats?

Cases kicked into the long grass.

Labour MP batteres a man and continues on the ground, suspended sentence, another Labour councillor just recently spared jail. Many more examples of justice not appearing to be even.
 
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JJpool said:
news.sky.com

Kneecap apologise to families for 'kill your MP' remarks

Kneecap say they are facing a "co-ordinated smear campaign" after speaking out about "the ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people".
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Be interesting to see what if anything happens to them.

Afterall, Lucy Connoly got 2.5 years, after Southport, for a tweet which she deleted after a few hours in which said said something bad, but said do this for all I care. She also has some extenuating circumstances in that it was done in the heat of the moment after a brutal event, she had issues after losing a child to NHS negligence and took things happening to children very hard, has PTSD. Had she have pled not guilty she's probably have got off far lighter, but pressure was put on many people to please guilty from the system and pressure from the top.


One guy who stuck to his guns still got remanded but found not guilty in a matter of minutes. He was reported by a member of the labour party.

freespeechunion.org

Labour reported me for racial hatred – a Jury cleared me in less than 20 minutes

A former Royal Marine who spent 20 days in prison after posting a Facebook video about illegal immigration has been
freespeechunion.org freespeechunion.org

Obviously some completely deserved time for their vile actions, but how many more would have been found not guilty if they hadn't folded to a system applying pressure.

What about this guy, Peter Lynch, who took his own life in prison, he shouldn't have been in there and for that length of time. Why did he plead guilty? Pressure.


Those kneecap words seem even more direct that Lucy Connollys.

What happened to the Manchester airport attackers or the Labour guy who said to slit peoples throats?

Cases kicked into the long grass.

Labour MP batteres a man and continues on the ground, suspended sentence, another Labour councillor just recently spared jail. Many more examples of justice not appearing to be even.
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If only there hadn't been an independent report which said there was no evidence of a two tier justice system.
 
Wizaard said:
If only there hadn't been an independent report which said there was no evidence of a two tier justice system.
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Haha. Was waiting for this one.

Oh yeah, those 7 labour mps, 2 Tories and 2 lib dems.

They basically asked the police, any 2 tier policing guys during the southport riots, no. For one it's wider than just that and that's on 2 tier policing not justice.

Theres many examples of it too, as already shown in the op.

www.telegraph.co.uk

MPs who deny the existence of two-tier policing are naive at best, anti-British at worst

The findings of this week’s Home Affairs committee report into the Southport riots are laughable
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1915799825045504280

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848810089291124781

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911842365771330037
 
JJpool said:
Haha. Was waiting for this one.

Oh yeah, those 7 labour mps, 2 Tories and 2 lib dems.

They basically asked the police, any 2 tier policing guys during the southport riots, no. For one it's wider than just that and that's on 2 tier policing not justice.

Theres many examples of it too, as already shown in the op.

www.telegraph.co.uk

MPs who deny the existence of two-tier policing are naive at best, anti-British at worst

The findings of this week’s Home Affairs committee report into the Southport riots are laughable
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1915799825045504280

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848810089291124781

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911842365771330037
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So the denial is GB News and your perception.

Fair enough.
 
JJpool said:
Surely what they said is very wrong though. No?

Others locked up for such words.
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I obviously agree with their comments regarding the genocide in Gaza which sparked the discussion.

I've not seen the footage about allegedly saying they wanted to kill a Tory MP but from their response I'm assuming the gutter right wing press have put their own agenda driven spin on it.

For the record I don't think making racist comments should land you in prison so Lucy Connolly shouldn't have been sent down.
 
Wizaard said:
So the denial is GB News and your perception.

Fair enough.
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No it's just where some of the evidence is that I could find.

I think deep down we all know it exists, why?

One area example is if a minority decides to throw a claim wrongly at the police of racism for e.g. that is taken seriously, rightly so, however that can have consequences for the officers. Do they really need that?

That claim can't really happen the other way round. Not saying different treatment happens all the time and many will try and be fair, but it's likely a consideration for some, as both those ex police officers say.

Just 1 aspect.

Surely the point about police approach is valid too.

As a football fan we know and you know this.

If the police turn up in riot gear, ready for trouble often treating people like animals at football games, guess what, often they get trouble from the way it's policed. If they turn up hands off and engaging they get a different response.

We've seen this many times at matches, where different police approachs influence the outcome. Of course sometimes fans behaviour is at fault too.

That's what can happen at times at different marches for e.g. different approaches.
 
Leither said:
I obviously agree with their comments regarding the genocide in Gaza which sparked the discussion.

I've not seen the footage about allegedly saying they wanted to kill a Tory MP but from their response I'm assuming the gutter right wing press have put their own agenda driven spin on it.

For the record I don't think making racist comments should land you in prison so Lucy Connolly shouldn't have been sent down.
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Think again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1916194953878720740

https://twitter.com/x/status/1917182518484230450

https://twitter.com/x/status/1917169323665170499

But yeah, have fun at your concert, looks really good...

And some poeple have the cheek to tey and lable RW posters on here 🙄
 
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Oh dear.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Terror police investigate ‘pro-Hamas’ rappers handed £14k by Labour

Member of Kneecap appears to shout ‘up Hamas, up Hezbollah’ while draped in the terror group’s flag in footage from 2024 gig
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"Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative Party leader, also accused Kneecap of “openly glorifying evil terror groups”.

Despite their pro-Republican views, in 2023 the band applied for £14,250 of British taxpayer funding through the Music Export Growth Scheme, intended to support UK acts in international markets.

Mrs Badenoch, the then-business secretary, blocked the application but Labour subsequently chose not to contest a legal battle, allowing a £14,250 payment.

Having won the battle over the UK taxpayer funding, Kneecap declared in a social media post that they were “in opposition to the United Kingdom”.

In a post on X, Mrs Badenoch called on Labour to “apologise for rolling over” in the legal case."
 
It would appear that JJ etc are up against Mizaru, Kikazaru & Iwazaru, or the three wise monkeys if you don't know their names.

Whatever you put forward as evidence will be treated in the same way, see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. But only when it applies to Labour!

With that I'm away for my morning shower.

I quickly add that the crossbow man will not cost the taxpayer any money to be kept in jail, thank goodness.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
JJ. You seem to be strangely quiet about this chap.

One of yours?

www.bbc.com

Otley run crossbow attack suspect dies, police confirm - BBC News

The 38-year-old posted online before the planned violence and listed his targets.
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Didn't even see your post as you have a habit of not tagging people in.

'One of yours'

That's a very low post. An attempted crossbow killer. Please explain in any reasonable way how thats one of ours or mine?

Had no idea what happened in this case, if the guy was writing what he was going to do then of course some action should have been taken, was it reported, ignored?

It says he wrote it hours before the assault, was that enough time to see it report it and fully act?

I think you've desperately tried to attach some completely wrong whataboutary rather than address the mounting evidence of the OP and subsequent posts.
 
Wizaard said:
If only there hadn't been an independent report which said there was no evidence of a two tier justice system.
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You don’t have to be intelligent, or a Reform supporter, or mores the point, someone who has worked for donkeys years in the legal system to realise that since creepy Starmer’s involvement before and after politics, the justice system is a heavily weighted two tier system.

Most Judges and the CPS are not fit for purpose, and I despair about the small group of posters on this Forum who are so politically ingrained that there common sense has been eroded to the point of stupidity.
 
puggiz said:
You don’t have to be intelligent, or a Reform supporter, or mores the point, someone who has worked for donkeys years in the legal system to realise that since creepy Starmer’s involvement before and after politics, the justice system is a heavily weighted two tier system.

Most Judges and the CPS are not fit for purpose, and I despair about the small group of posters on this Forum who are so politically ingrained that there common sense has been eroded to the point of stupidity.
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Sorry, don’t see the joke Wiz. Please elucidate what’s funny.
 
Wizaard said:
So politically ingrained...whereas you have such an open minded, non political take on everything.
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The judicial system shouldn’t be political, so ‘my take’ is the more accurate don’t you think?

Shame certain politicians don’t adhere to that ethos.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I see JJ and Jaffa have scampered off and are avoiding yet another thread.

Shocker.
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I’ve said it time and time again anything to do with Labour it’s a suspended sentence anything to do with the right wing it’s a custodial sentence.

The two tier system we have right now is another reason why voters will stick two fingers up to Labour tomorrow in many of the county council elections.
 
puggiz said:
The judicial system shouldn’t be political, so ‘my take’ is the more accurate don’t you think?

Shame certain politicians don’t adhere to that ethos.
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Bendit will you please stop using the Puggiz handle. I know you’re trying to make out there’s more support for your weird RW views than there actually is, but that’s the action of “a disingenuous grifter” (I can’t immediately recall who was described in those terms but I think it was a man of the people/the leader of a Far Right Party who got into an argument with his bank for posh people).

Anyway, back to all this bollux about a two tier justice system. Basically, it’s bollux.

All that’s happened was that a few right wing extremists have been bleating about their civil liberties being abused because they weren’t allowed to set fire to, and burn alive, some other people in a hotel.

When you were a serving police officer what would you have done? Stood back and let them crack on with it?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’ve said it time and time again anything to do with Labour it’s a suspended sentence anything to do with the right wing it’s a custodial sentence.

The two tier system we have right now is another reason why voters will stick two fingers up to Labour tomorrow in many of the county council elections.
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Jaffa. Stop making things up.
 
JJpool said:
Surely what they said is very wrong though. No?

Others locked up for such words.
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What they said was wrong, that's not in doubt. There are a lot of opinions out there and they should all be free to be spoken without threat of violence or state retribution.
Unless it is hate speech or incitement to violence.
In their defence i guess you could say they were speaking to their own fan base and the people listening were highly unlikely to kill an MP, to the best of my knowledge no MPs have been killed because of the words of one member of Kneecap.
It is different to the people who further inflamed the Southport tragedy with acts and words that the bereaved families probably wanted no part of.
No idea what sort of social life you have with like minded people JJ but would you want all you opinions and words put out there for public consumption?
No doubt Kneecap have put themselves in a tricky situation but a bit of jail time will possibly boost their earning potential, not so sure that bigoted rants do that for everyone, even Farage agrees on that and is trying to reign his party in.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Bendit will you please stop using the Puggiz handle. I know you’re trying to make out there’s more support for your weird RW views than there actually is, but that’s the action of “a disingenuous grifter” (I can’t immediately recall who was described in those terms but I think it was a man of the people/the leader of a Far Right Party who got into an argument with his bank for posh people).

Anyway, back to all this bollux about a two tier justice system. Basically, it’s bollux.

All that’s happened was that a few right wing extremists have been bleating about their civil liberties being abused because they weren’t allowed to set fire to, and burn alive, some other people in a hotel.

When you were a serving police officer what would you have done? Stood back and let them crack on with it?
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Mex,

I would certainly have questioned how Huw ‘paedo ’ Edward’s escaped custody, yet that lass who posted a few nasty hurty words and without being asked removed them yet got a 30 month custodial.

We’ve had nearly as bad on this Forum, but would you have advocated that some well known posters be taken away from their families for the same period of time, when it was blindingly obvious that most is BS and no actions would have been implemented? I certainly wouldn’t, and that’s with my professional hat on.

Edward’s had indecent images of children including compromising ones of babies, yes babies, yet the pile of crap walked.

If that’s not two tier, what the feck is?

Both offences under the auspices of the same house of judiciary, but dealt with totally different. One case had indirect involvement with Starmer, the other didn’t.

It’s not rocket science, it’s not obsession, it’s not bias, it’s fact.

As for my ‘handle’, I’ve explained that. For some unexplained reason I have an issue with BILS on my mobile….hence why I use puggiz, one that I registered quite a while ago.
 
puggiz said:
Mex,

I would certainly have questioned how Huw ‘paedo ’ Edward’s escaped custody, yet that lass who posted a few nasty hurty words and without being asked removed them yet got a 30 month custodial.

We’ve had nearly as bad on this Forum, but would you have advocated that some well known posters be taken away from their families for the same period of time, when it was blindingly obvious that most is BS and no actions would have been implemented? I certainly wouldn’t, and that’s with my professional hat on.

Edward’s had indecent images of children including compromising ones of babies, yes babies, yet the pile of crap walked.

If that’s not two tier, what the feck is?

Both offences under the auspices of the same house of judiciary, but dealt with totally different. One case had indirect involvement with Starmer, the other didn’t.

It’s not rocket science, it’s not obsession, it’s not bias, it’s fact.

As for my ‘handle’, I’ve explained that. For some unexplained reason I have an issue with BILS on my mobile….hence why I use puggiz, one that I registered quite a while ago.
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No mention of babies here.

Disgusting I agree but there’s no need to make stuff up to further your political agenda.

Ex-Broadcaster sentenced for possessing indecent images of children | The Crown Prosecution Service

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puggiz said:
Mex,

I would certainly have questioned how Huw ‘paedo ’ Edward’s escaped custody, yet that lass who posted a few nasty hurty words and without being asked removed them yet got a 30 month custodial.

We’ve had nearly as bad on this Forum, but would you have advocated that some well known posters be taken away from their families for the same period of time, when it was blindingly obvious that most is BS and no actions would have been implemented? I certainly wouldn’t, and that’s with my professional hat on.

Edward’s had indecent images of children including compromising ones of babies, yes babies, yet the pile of crap walked.

If that’s not two tier, what the feck is?

Both offences under the auspices of the same house of judiciary, but dealt with totally different. One case had indirect involvement with Starmer, the other didn’t.

It’s not rocket science, it’s not obsession, it’s not bias, it’s fact.

As for my ‘handle’, I’ve explained that. For some unexplained reason I have an issue with BILS on my mobile….hence why I use puggiz, one that I registered quite a while ago.
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Maybe it's a three tier system because we dont know what Edwards politics are.
Personally i think he should've gone to prison but i have no idea what his political views are, bit of a myth that everyone at the BBC is a lefty.
Maybe the third tier are all celebrities, Katie Price should've gone to prison but didn't, is she a lefty or does she just know the right Judges?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
No mention of babies here.

Disgusting I agree but there’s no need to make stuff up to further your political agenda.

Ex-Broadcaster sentenced for possessing indecent images of children | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk www.cps.gov.uk
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As you and Wiz repeatedly go on about, don’t believe everything you read.

Unlike many, I do have access to information that is not always available to the general public.

Babies or not, your reaction seems diluted bearing in mind without question he had images of children.

In my mind, that’s abhorrent.

‘Political agenda’ … give it a rest, it’s boring like the 14 years that Wiz keeps spouting.

Still waiting for your ‘opinion’ on the two cases I suggested and if you thought they were comparable.
 
puggiz said:
As you and Wiz repeatedly go on about, don’t believe everything you read.

Unlike many, I do have access to information that is not always available to the general public.

Babies or not, your reaction seems diluted bearing in mind without question he had images of children.

In my mind, that’s abhorrent.

‘Political agenda’ … give it a rest, it’s boring like the 14 years that Wiz keeps spouting.

Still waiting for your ‘opinion’ on the two cases I suggested and if you thought they were comparable.
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So you’re now saying the official statement from the CPS is a lie? Do you know how many people have been involved in the case? Are they all liars?

But you have a mate who apparently has more inside intel. Ok. I’ll say it. I think you and your mate are talking bollux.

You were untruthful about the babies. This is why defence lawyers can demolish prosecution cases. Because a few coppers have a hankering for hyperbole. They just have to exaggerate. And they are the ones who let the criminals get away with it. It drives prosecution lawyers berserk. An apparently cast iron case screwed up because of a police officer with a John Wayne complex. And yes, that’s a recognised description for a certain type of Bobby.

Also, for the record, when I met HE (or rather attended a meeting where he was presiding) I thought he was a knob. I haven’t changed that view.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So you’re now saying the official statement from the CPS is a lie? Do you know how many people have been involved in the case? Are they all liars?

But you have a mate who apparently has more inside intel. Ok. I’ll say it. I think you and your mate are talking bollux.

You were untruthful about the babies. This is why defence lawyers can demolish prosecution cases. Because a few coppers have a hankering for hyperbole. They just have to exaggerate. And they are the ones who let the criminals get away with it. It drives prosecution lawyers berserk. An apparently cast iron case screwed up because of a police officer with a John Wayne complex. And yes, that’s a recognised description for a certain type of Bobby.

Also, for the record, when I met HE (or rather attended a meeting where he was presiding) I thought he was a knob. I haven’t changed that view.
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I’m saying that CPS don’t disclose everything, usually under the premise of not in the public interest.

As for bollux, I’m happy with my impeccable sources, and leave the bollux to you, who up to standard has failed to address my question twice.

‘John Wayne ‘ complex, wow if that’s not agenda driven and totally ignorant statement, what is?

I just hope in your lifetime you don’t need a Police Officer stepping in risking their life for yours.
 
puggiz said:
I’m saying that CPS don’t disclose everything, usually under the premise of not in the public interest.

As for bollux, I’m happy with my impeccable sources, and leave the bollux to you, who up to standard has failed to address my question twice.

‘John Wayne ‘ complex, wow if that’s not agenda driven and totally ignorant statement, what is?

I just hope in your lifetime you don’t need a Police Officer stepping in risking their life for yours.
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The CPS disclosed in a lot of detail the images on HE’s phone and the ages of the kids involved. They were disgusting but they did not include “babies” as you claimed. You have accused the CPS of lying. It’s that straightforward.

As for you last sentence, I have had brave police officers coming to my rescue in the past and have nothing but admiration for them. Sometimes that might include a John Wayne wannabe. Doesn’t justify exaggeration and false claims though.

Anyway, the footy is on so I’m off.
 
puggiz said:
I’m saying that CPS don’t disclose everything, usually under the premise of not in the public interest.

As for bollux, I’m happy with my impeccable sources, and leave the bollux to you, who up to standard has failed to address my question twice.

‘John Wayne ‘ complex, wow if that’s not agenda driven and totally ignorant statement, what is?

I just hope in your lifetime you don’t need a Police Officer stepping in risking their life for yours.
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The CPS disclosed in a lot of detail the images on HE’s phone and the ages of the kids involved. They were disgusting but they did not include “babies” as you claimed. You have accused the CPS of lying. It’s that straightforward.

As for you last sentence, I have had brave police officers coming to my rescue in the past and have nothing but admiration for them. Sometimes that might include a John Wayne wannabe. Doesn’t justify exaggeration and false claims though.

Anyway, the footy is on so I’m off
 
puggiz said:
The judicial system shouldn’t be political, so ‘my take’ is the more accurate don’t you think?

Shame certain politicians don’t adhere to that ethos.
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The judiciary and the politicians are separate.

Which politicians? I presume you mean the likes of Farage and his blaming of all of society's evils on immigrants.
 
Wizaard said:
The judiciary and the politicians are separate.

Which politicians? I presume you mean the likes of Farage and his blaming of all of society's evils on immigrants.
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Well in your warped socialist world that only exists the last 10 months, you won’t be admitting to be Starmer will you?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
The CPS disclosed in a lot of detail the images on HE’s phone and the ages of the kids involved. They were disgusting but they did not include “babies” as you claimed. You have accused the CPS of lying. It’s that straightforward.

As for you last sentence, I have had brave police officers coming to my rescue in the past and have nothing but admiration for them. Sometimes that might include a John Wayne wannabe. Doesn’t justify exaggeration and false claims though.

Anyway, the footy is on so I’m off.
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Accuses CPS of lying…. Did you read the first sentence or do you adhere to two tier replies. Enjoy the footy.

Oh and you still avoided answering the original question.

You Labour Luvvies are at least consistent.
 
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Wizaard said:
Is that the same Starmer you have a weird obsessive hatred of? Very open minded.
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At least I admit to any failings. Yes I dislike him intensely. But weird, definitely not. Majority of the Country despises the lying idiot and his totally inept Cabinet.

Enjoy tomorrow haha
 
The statement by Kneecap was made in November 2023. Who was in Government then? However, Badenoch when Business Secretary blocked a grant of £14,000 they had been awarded.
 
JJpool said:
news.sky.com

Kneecap apologise to families for 'kill your MP' remarks

Kneecap say they are facing a "co-ordinated smear campaign" after speaking out about "the ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people".
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Be interesting to see what if anything happens to them.

Afterall, Lucy Connoly got 2.5 years, after Southport, for a tweet which she deleted after a few hours in which said said something bad, but said do this for all I care. She also has some extenuating circumstances in that it was done in the heat of the moment after a brutal event, she had issues after losing a child to apparent NHS negligence and took things happening to children very hard, has PTSD. Had she have pled not guilty she's probably have got off far lighter, but pressure was put on many people to please guilty from the system and pressure from the top.


One guy who stuck to his guns still got remanded but found not guilty in a matter of minutes. He was reported by a member of the labour party.

freespeechunion.org

Labour reported me for racial hatred – a Jury cleared me in less than 20 minutes

A former Royal Marine who spent 20 days in prison after posting a Facebook video about illegal immigration has been
freespeechunion.org freespeechunion.org

Obviously some completely deserved time for their vile actions, but how many more would have been found not guilty if they hadn't folded to a system applying pressure.

What about this guy, Peter Lynch, who took his own life in prison, he shouldn't have been in there and for that length of time. Why did he plead guilty? Pressure.


Those kneecap words seem even more direct that Lucy Connollys.

What happened to the Manchester airport attackers or the Labour guy who said to slit peoples throats?

Cases kicked into the long grass.

Labour MP batteres a man and continues on the ground, suspended sentence, another Labour councillor just recently spared jail. Many more examples of justice not appearing to be even.
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See mine on the Dorking Manager Marc White thread.
 
Our criminal justice system is a car crash and always has been. Comparing sentences is a fools errand and everybody can pick and choose a few cases to make a point in any way. One thing I doubt will ever change is that charges connected to rioting will always be punative. That doesn't mean I agree with her sentence (I don't) but two tier justice it ain't.
 
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