Labour Politicians are revolting

Your last paragraph is rather assumptive. With regard to the banking crash it was a one way street. No concessions from the banks and no loss of pay, or pensions, for any of their staff. Compare that to the jack boot approach that banks continued to take with struggling businesses.

We pay CEO's of multi nationals millions and pay our politicians peanuts in comparison. That is why regardless of the persuasion of the party in power, they will continue to make dumb ass decisions. Neither will they address major issues like an ageing population and public servants pensions sucking the life out of the service they work in. Add to that that the NHS as a free at source operation is completely unfundable, but very few people have the guts, or honesty, to admit it.
We can afford all of this, it is just that the money is transferring to the well off. Goverment's own figures £58 BILLION in Fraud. Add that to the billions allowed to be taken offshore into tax havens and so not taxed. Mega businesses like Amazon paying tiny amounts of tax, due to again offshoring. It is a crying shame that the non resident press barons continue to feed the British Publiuc with these lies.

I pay my tax, you pay your tax, why shouldn't everyone?
 
We can afford all of this, it is just that the money is transferring to the well off. Goverment's own figures £58 BILLION in Fraud. Add that to the billions allowed to be taken offshore into tax havens and so not taxed. Mega businesses like Amazon paying tiny amounts of tax, due to again offshoring. It is a crying shame that the non resident press barons continue to feed the British Publiuc with these lies.

I pay my tax, you pay your tax, why shouldn't everyone?
Don't forget the vanity projects (HS2 over £100 billion so far) or overpriced public contracts handed to 'friendly' bidders (refer to HS2 again).
 
I'm afraid that's just bollocks.
So modern medicine keeps people alive longer and with much more complicated illness. Drug companies come up with ever more expensive solutions for rarer illness. All the people in the NHS are living longer after retirement and each year the pension cost to the NHS increases.
Unless you are a greater economist than me (which may be the case,) bollocks is a rather crude response with no factual evidence.
 
Was the debt mountain they left at the time a

I think this is true, but not inherently a bad thing (the left are just typically way worse at pragmatism and working together to do the most good possible than the right are). Most countries, certainly in Europe, have proportional representation and lots of parties working together in blocs. In absence of such a system, I suppose its only natural for those 'blocs' to form inside the two major parties. While the Tories have historically been better at keeping it together, they certainly haven't been in recent years, and Sunak is being pushed and pulled apart from the different groups that are sharpening their knives and readying for the fight of their lives in the post-election battle for the future of the party. If they don't figure it out, they are heading towards a decade in the wilderness with constant infighting.
I hope they never govern ever again. Certainly not in my lifetime anyway. I'd like someone to tell me one positive thing that this shitshow have achieved in the last 13 years. I won't even get started on that witch Thatcher.
 
So modern medicine keeps people alive longer and with much more complicated illness. Drug companies come up with ever more expensive solutions for rarer illness. All the people in the NHS are living longer after retirement and each year the pension cost to the NHS increases.
Unless you are a greater economist than me (which may be the case,) bollocks is a rather crude response with no factual evidence.
The 'bollocks' is your claim that the NHS is unfundable. There's so much achievable cost saving, a few ideas literally off the top of my head;

1. Clinical practice still has a lot of improvement within it to save costs.

2. Reign in the private over valued contracts.

3. Cut down non clinical management roles.

4. Implement more home care, it's a better and cheaper option in a lot of cases, also freeing capacity.

5. Better bed management, more timely discharge, don't have someone waiting 7 hours in bed for the pharmacy before discharge, discharge and local delivery of prescription when suitable.

6. Improve planning around the need for costly locums, better training, better staff retention.

7. Overuse of prescriptions as treatment, more holistic preventative options.

8. Pressure from government to reduce drug costs.

The list goes on.

An aging population shouldn't be a burden, we should be healthier, hardly anyone smokes anymore, preventative therapy is much more prevalent than even 20 years ago, many treatments are shorter and cheaper than they were etc... These savings could be more than enough to prop up care in later years.

I'm not saying any of the above will happen, but it should,, money is in the system to run the NHS it's just, in many cases, being pissed up the wall, so to claim that it's 'unfundable' is, unfortunately, bollocks.
 
The 'bollocks' is your claim that the NHS is unfundable. There's so much achievable cost saving, a few ideas literally off the top of my head;

1. Clinical practice still has a lot of improvement within it to save costs.

2. Reign in the private over valued contracts.

3. Cut down non clinical management roles.

4. Implement more home care, it's a better and cheaper option in a lot of cases, also freeing capacity.

5. Better bed management, more timely discharge, don't have someone waiting 7 hours in bed for the pharmacy before discharge, discharge and local delivery of prescription when suitable.

6. Improve planning around the need for costly locums, better training, better staff retention.

7. Overuse of prescriptions as treatment, more holistic preventative options.

8. Pressure from government to reduce drug costs.

The list goes on.

An aging population shouldn't be a burden, we should be healthier, hardly anyone smokes anymore, preventative therapy is much more prevalent than even 20 years ago, many treatments are shorter and cheaper than they were etc... These savings could be more than enough to prop up care in later years.

I'm not saying any of the above will happen, but it should,, money is in the system to run the NHS it's just, in many cases, being pissed up the wall, so to claim that it's 'unfundable' is, unfortunately, bollocks.
You raise extremely good points. However, should and will, are polar opposite. The bureaucracy of the NHS will sadly ensure it will not happen.
 
You raise extremely good points. However, should and will, are polar opposite. The bureaucracy of the NHS will sadly ensure it will not happen.
As Kurtan points out, AI is the future of medicine, it will cut down on costs and I am afraid see the end of some medical roles.
We are in a great position to exploit this with great expertise both in medical research, biosciences and in AI. We also have an integrated health system of 70 million people. When it comes to finding training data for AI systems this will be an incredible asset. No other country has an integrated system (on that data scale) anything like as large as ours. This data is very valuable. So we are in a fantastic position to exploit the new technologies. We just need to recognise this and have the political will to move forwards. In this way, it is conceivable that the NHS could actually start to generate significant income for itself as many countries cannot compete with the expertise and data resource that we have.

We scratched the surface in a project called the 100,000 genomes project that has yielded great results already.


Any government of any type should be pumping money into AI / health care initiatives IMO.
 
As Kurtan points out, AI is the future of medicine, it will cut down on costs and I am afraid see the end of some medical roles.
We are in a great position to exploit this with great expertise both in medical research, biosciences and in AI. We also have an integrated health system of 70 million people. When it comes to finding training data for AI systems this will be an incredible asset. No other country has an integrated system (on that data scale) anything like as large as ours. This data is very valuable. So we are in a fantastic position to exploit the new technologies. We just need to recognise this and have the political will to move forwards. In this way, it is conceivable that the NHS could actually start to generate significant income for itself as many countries cannot compete with the expertise and data resource that we have.

We scratched the surface in a project called the 100,000 genomes project that has yielded great results already.


Any government of any type should be pumping money into AI / health care initiatives IMO.

Yep, a relative of mine who works as a radiographer told me that AI is already used to read MRI scans to assist radiologists with workload.

If only this government stopped spaffing money on flights to Rwanda, signing bogus `trade deals` with California and confecting endless culture wars and directed its attention to stuff that matters like this....
 
Don't forget the vanity projects (HS2 over £100 billion so far) or overpriced public contracts handed to 'friendly' bidders (refer to HS2 again).
And now a Tory donor given a contract to supply RAAC affected schools to the tune of many millions, with no history in that field.
 
Andy McDonald MP must be laughing his socks off after being suspended for calling for a cease fire. This has been a massive bad call by Keir Starmer. He wants to be more Tory than a Tory
 
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