Laurence Fox

I don't wish to be rude Wiz but I'm calling it a night now and not dodging you.

If you are happy with Khan then that's fair enough but I am thinking you are getting behind him because of his anti Government stance rather than because of his achievements - whatever they maybe ? - while in office.
Not at all.I think the alternatives are appalling.
 
You've done well not to mention the m word until now. Smiles.

Have some respect, they are muslims not m's and I don't see what's funny.

There are more than 1 million muslims in London, Khan is a candidate and is a muslim.

You have already volunteered the information that the electorate will decide on the next mayor.
 
Are there? What did Boris do to get their backing?

I knew that you would ask that Wiz.

I am not going to pretend that I have a great knowledge of Boris's campaigning tactics and how he went about securing the muslim vote, I don't have the split of the muslim vote so I couldn't tell you how successful Boris was on that front.

It may be an idea to consider the fact that Boris's opponent in the mayoral elections was Ken Livingstone.

I'm not an expert on such matters but I don't think that Red Ken worshipped Allah the last time I looked.
 
Not at all.I think the alternatives are appalling.

I think we are in agreement Wiz in that Khan has not achieved very much in office.

Where we disagree is that I think Laurence Fox would do a better job as mayor than Khan.

I have no great desire to see Laurence Fox as mayor - other than it would mean that Khan had gone - and would prefer to see Shaun Bailey elected.

As I've already said, it is highly likely that Khan will be re-elected but I am surprised that some on here appear happy for him to be re-elected.

I'd rather see Allez elected than Khan, at least he make sure that the good people of London got good food down their Gregory Peck's.
 
You are happy with such racism presumably.
From Shaun Bailey.

"You bring your children to school and they learn far more about Diwali than Christmas. I speak to the people who are from Brent and they’ve been having Muslim and Hindi days off. What it does is rob Britain of its community. Without our community we slip into a crime-riddled cesspool."
 
I would expect that Muslim and Hindi communities are less crime-riddled than the old Kray-run East End was. The use of the word “cesspool” is abhorrent in the context.
 
Have some respect, they are muslims not m's and I don't see what's funny.

There are more than 1 million muslims in London, Khan is a candidate and is a muslim.

You have already volunteered the information that the electorate will decide on the next mayor.
1 million is just over 10% of the populace. Hardly guaranteed election winner as there's no guarantee they'll all vote for Khan, especially as a percentage wont be of voting age.
 
Here is a link to a report about some of the rather bizarre things that Shaun Bailey has said and done over the years;



Looking at that, I would say that he does seem to have a rather strange and perhaps disturbing attitude towards young women. However, I think that the most pertinent one to this conversation is the last one. The one that says that while he was a crime advisor to 10 Downing Street, 76 million pounds was cut from the London policing budget. It seems a little bit inconsistent for someone who keeps banging on about unacceptable levels of knife crime and law and order on London's streets.
 
Kahn for Mayor, Meghan as queen and Cornyn for PM. The holy trinity of pure gammon bait, it would be worth it to see temple veins explode
 
1 million is just over 10% of the populace. Hardly guaranteed election winner as there's no guarantee they'll all vote for Khan, especially as a percentage wont be of voting age.

Wiz

I don't have any figures regarding the last vote to hand and I don't think that either of us needs to go looking for them either.

Nobody is suggesting that all muslims will vote for Khan, that all muslims are of a voting age or that Khan is guaranteed to win because he is a muslim.

I'm thinking more muslims voted for Khan than Zac Goldsmith and I'm sure you think the same.

There are only 8 sleeps 'til Cheltenham so I'm putting London Mayoral issues to the side for the time being. :)
 
Wiz

I don't have any figures regarding the last vote to hand and I don't think that either of us needs to go looking for them either.

Nobody is suggesting that all muslims will vote for Khan, that all muslims are of a voting age or that Khan is guaranteed to win because he is a muslim.

I'm thinking more muslims voted for Khan than Zac Goldsmith and I'm sure you think the same.

There are only 8 sleeps 'til Cheltenham so I'm putting London Mayoral issues to the side for the time being. :)
I take it you only back the white and grey horses 👍
 
Wiz

I don't have any figures regarding the last vote to hand and I don't think that either of us needs to go looking for them either.

Nobody is suggesting that all muslims will vote for Khan, that all muslims are of a voting age or that Khan is guaranteed to win because he is a muslim.

I'm thinking more muslims voted for Khan than Zac Goldsmith and I'm sure you think the same.

There are only 8 sleeps 'til Cheltenham so I'm putting London Mayoral issues to the side for the time being. :)
Your surely not suggesting that people would vote based on their religion 🧕🏼👨‍⚕️Are you? Now that would be novel. 🤨
 
Wiz

I don't have any figures regarding the last vote to hand and I don't think that either of us needs to go looking for them either.

Nobody is suggesting that all muslims will vote for Khan, that all muslims are of a voting age or that Khan is guaranteed to win because he is a muslim.

I'm thinking more muslims voted for Khan than Zac Goldsmith and I'm sure you think the same.

There are only 8 sleeps 'til Cheltenham so I'm putting London Mayoral issues to the side for the time being. :)
More white people voted for Khan than Goldsmith as well. Because the latter was a poor candidate
 
Your surely not suggesting that people would vote based on their religion 🧕🏼👨‍⚕️Are you? Now that would be novel. 🤨

No Mates, I am not suggesting that people "would" vote based on their religion.

I am suggesting that people "could" vote based on their religion.

People can vote however they like and for whatever reason.
 
More white people voted for Khan than Goldsmith as well. Because the latter was a poor candidate

I don't have the split of the vote to hand Wiz but have no reason to doubt you.

Goldsmith may very well have been a poor candidate as you suggest.

I just look at Khan's performance in office and I see more failings than achievements and with that in mind I feel that it is rather sad that it looks like he will get re-elected.

I know it's the people of London that decide and that I don't get any say and that others may hold a differing opinion than my own on Khan's performance.
 
I just look at Khan's performance in office and I see more failings than achievements and with that in mind I feel that it is rather sad that it looks like he will get re-elected.

What would you classify as his failings, and what do you see as his achievements?

And why would you feel "rather sad" that he may be re-elected?
 
I must say I am impressed by this level of scrutiny of the London Mayor.

I don't remember it happening when Johnson or Livingstone were in charge, and I am puzzling over why that could possibly be.

Khan currently anywhere between 1/25 to 1/50 favourite to win, according to the bookmakers. You can get around 475/1 on Fox with Betfair, if you want to vote for him.
 
I must say I am impressed by this level of scrutiny of the London Mayor.

I don't remember it happening when Johnson or Livingstone were in charge, and I am puzzling over why that could possibly be.

Khan currently anywhere between 1/25 to 1/50 favourite to win, according to the bookmakers. You can get around 475/1 on Fox with Betfair, if you want to vote for him.
I agree, I am not really sure what Khan has done to attract the amount of venom and anger that many people feel towards him, including some posters on here.
As someone who does not live in London, but works there, my feelings towards him are ambivalent. He has a lower public profile than either of the two previous mayors and it is quite hard to see how he has changed London at all, for better or for worse. In the aftermath of Grenfell, one of the few times he has shown strong leadership, I felt that he struck exactly the right tone in stark contrast to Teresa May who somehow seemed to get everything wrong.
 
What would you classify as his failings, and what do you see as his achievements?

And why would you feel "rather sad" that he may be re-elected?

Already referred to his failings above Spud and I am not familiar with anything that I would class as a significant achievement.

I don't think that he has performed well in his role and with that in mind, I feel that it's a shame that it appears that he will be re-elected as I feel the people of London deserve better.

It would appear that the many of those contributing to this thread are unable to describe any of Khan's achievements and better than the opposition is the best that he is.
 
Oh, that's alright then.

It will make it easier for the police to search for clues in a nice warm house than outside in the cold.

Who is to say they were all married?

I take it the murder rate in London is higher per 100,000 than any other UK city?
Do the research. I did and quoted a stat. Feel free to find others which prove that there's every chance you'll be knifed the minute you step off a train at Euston. 😉
 
I must say I am impressed by this level of scrutiny of the London Mayor.

I don't remember it happening when Johnson or Livingstone were in charge, and I am puzzling over why that could possibly be.

Khan currently anywhere between 1/25 to 1/50 favourite to win, according to the bookmakers. You can get around 475/1 on Fox with Betfair, if you want to vote for him.

I don't think anybody was seriously questionning that Khan would be re-elected.

I don't think anybody seriously suggested that Fox will become mayor.

I can't vote myself but I am not sure what Fox's odds on Betfair have got to do with anybody who wants to vote for him ?

I am sure you can get around 475/1 on a Fox victory, regardless of who you want to vote for.
 
Do the research. I did and quoted a stat. Feel free to find others which prove that there's every chance you'll be knifed the minute you step off a train at Euston. 😉

Come on Wiz.

Forget Khan/Fox, Labour/Tory or whatever, there can be problems with knife crime without there having to be fatalities or without anybody getting "knifed the minute you step off a train at Euston".

Your miles better than that Wiz and you know it.
 
Come on Wiz.

Forget Khan/Fox, Labour/Tory or whatever, there can be problems with knife crime without there having to be fatalities or without anybody getting "knifed the minute you step off a train at Euston".

Your miles better than that Wiz and you know it.
I didn't insinuate that London was a lawless hotbed and it was Khan's fault.

Crime stats for 2020 shows that the murder rate per capita is highest in the North West at 15.5, while London is 14.5 per million

Overall crime has London as fourth behind The North East at the top, Yorkshire and Humber, then the North West.
 
I didn't insinuate that London was a lawless hotbed and it was Khan's fault.

Crime stats for 2020 shows that the murder rate per capita is highest in the North West at 15.5, while London is 14.5 per million

Overall crime has London as fourth behind The North East at the top, Yorkshire and Humber, then the North West.

Nobody is insinuating that London is a lawless hotbed Wiz, and even if that was the case, the blame would not lie solely at the feet of the Mayor.

I'm sure the good people of London would rather their Mayor was better than "better than Laurence Fox" but I guess that's a start.
 
I agree, I am not really sure what Khan has done to attract the amount of venom and anger that many people feel towards him, including some posters on here.
As someone who does not live in London, but works there, my feelings towards him are ambivalent. He has a lower public profile than either of the two previous mayors and it is quite hard to see how he has changed London at all, for better or for worse. In the aftermath of Grenfell, one of the few times he has shown strong leadership, I felt that he struck exactly the right tone in stark contrast to Teresa May who somehow seemed to get everything wrong.

ElBurro

I'd suggest that Donald Trump attracted more scrutiny on here after he was democratically elected than his predecessor.

I wouldn't go as far to say that I was impressed by this greater scrutiny mind.

Not that this forum is the be all and end all but it would appear that we have very little evidence of Khan's significant achievements during his time in office and personally I think that it's rather disappointing that it appears like he is going to be re-elected despite a lack of achievement.

You don't have to agree but surely people can offer opinions on the matter and I am struggling to see any amount of venom and anger on here - certainly on this thread.

Do you think that there is more "venom and anger" towards Khan on this board than there is towards Boris ?

You criticised Teresa May in your post, I don't have any problem with you doing that but nobody is trying to make out that you are angrily attacking her.
 
Already referred to his failings above Spud and I am not familiar with anything that I would class as a significant achievement.

I don't think that he has performed well in his role and with that in mind, I feel that it's a shame that it appears that he will be re-elected as I feel the people of London deserve better.

It would appear that the many of those contributing to this thread are unable to describe any of Khan's achievements and better than the opposition is the best that he is.

With respect 2020, the only failing of Khan`s you have referred to is his ability to reduce knife crime - although in 2017/18 and 2018/19 it was at a similar level to 2011/12 when Boris Johnson was mayor. And a vague `anti-government stance`; which considering he is a Labour mayor maybe understandable to some extent.

And you say you cannot name any achievements either, in spite of the fact he is in his fifth year as mayor. None at all?

So if all you can fault him for is one thing in five years, one could assume that he hasn`t actually done too bad job?

Yet, in your considered opinion, you would prefer an out of work actor who`s only political shtick is to be an anti-lockdown activist, and has no political background, no formal training and no relevant experience regarding running Britain`s capital city.

Think hard, are you absolutely sure there nothing else you can think of that Khan has done wrong, that may be colouring your opinion?
 
With respect 2020, the only failing of Khan`s you have referred to is his ability to reduce knife crime - although in 2017/18 and 2018/19 it was at a similar level to 2011/12 when Boris Johnson was mayor. And a vague `anti-government stance`; which considering he is a Labour mayor maybe understandable to some extent.

And you say you cannot name any achievements either, in spite of the fact he is in his fifth year as mayor. None at all?

So if all you can fault him for is one thing in five years, one could assume that he hasn`t actually done too bad job?

Yet, in your considered opinion, you would prefer an out of work actor who`s only political shtick is to be an anti-lockdown activist, and has no political background, no formal training and no relevant experience regarding running Britain`s capital city.

Think hard, are you absolutely sure there nothing else you can think of that Khan has done wrong, that may be colouring your opinion?

Spud

I said no "significant" achievements.

My reference to Laurence Fox was used to exaggerate my point, you will see that I have already stated clearly above that I'd prefer the Conservative candidate, Shaun Bailey to both Fox and Khan.

Perhaps your opinion on Khan differs from mine, that wouldn't be a crime but I'm still struggling to see any significant achievements during his time as Mayor.

I am of the opinion that the people of London deserve better than Khan, you don't have to agree and rather than attack me, you might perhaps inform me of his achievements ?
 
I'm not sure how you can judge what his failings and achievements are given the local nature of his office.
Some may argue that his Transport policy is an achievement with the introduction of some weekend night lines on some Tube services. This may be great for some locals in London in getting to and from late night venues but will mean fuck all to people like Seaside2020. Same with the three year price freeze on single fares or the Hopper unlimited travel fares.
He managed to secure 4.5 billion for affordable housing and has promised 116000 new affordable homes by 2023. How many have been built may also be seen as a disappointment but if he manages to do it, that's great news for the lower paid in London but will have zero effect on the life of Seaside2020.
He's allocated 23% of the council budget to tackling crime up from 18%, investing £110 million in the Met. Or the £45 million Young Londoners fund aimed at improving the life chances of youngsters who may end up criminals or in gangs. Seeing as the Met Police don't patrol the streets of London none of that will matter to people like SEASIDE2020.

He may not be perfect. He may not have done everything he promised but neither did Johnson or Livingston before him.
I do wonder what it is about him that seems to have riled up a certain section of the non London community and Russian trolls on social media. Anyone want to take a guess?
 
I don’t know who the candidates are, but I’m betting the winner won’t be white and quite possibly not male.
 
I don’t know who the candidates are, but I’m betting the winner won’t be white and quite possibly not male.
Half right so you only have to be half narked about it.
That's a pretty shit post btw mates. Is it women or blacks/ Asians running for office that angers you or both?
 
Half right so you only have to be half narked about it.
That's a pretty shit post btw mates. Is it women or blacks/ Asians running for office that angers you or both?
None of those, the current mantra is positive discrimination, so I’m guessing that might be the way they’ll want it to play out. My present boss is a woman and excellent at her job, and as I’ve said before on here, my main guy I employed in my business was black, and I also have a black sister in law and two black nephews, not to mention my three lovely, half Arab grandchildren.
 
That's a pretty shit post btw mates. Is it women or blacks/ Asians running for office that angers you or both?
I can’t believe you said that, ssp. Anything that gives Mates an opportunity to reel out a list of anyone in his life who isn’t white and heterosexual should be rightly frowned upon
 
None of those, the current mantra is positive discrimination, so I’m guessing that might be the way they’ll want it to play out. My present boss is a woman and excellent at her job, and as I’ve said before on here, my main guy I employed in my business was black, and I also have a black sister in law and two black nephews, not to mention my three lovely, half Arab grandchildren.
You should know better then.
 
It's the NYE firewokes isn't it.

Far too politicised.

Just no need.

Bloody turtles and EU flags and Captain Tom.

Just have a few rockets and be done with it.
 
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