Lavery to Millwall

Another Championship team has obviously seen what he has to offer then.
I think he's a good squad option to have around and gives opposing defenders plenty to think about.
He's not been as potent since his injury but 10 goals last season is not to be sniffed at especially when goals seem hard to come by at the moment.
I'd be sorry to see him go personally.
 
I just don’t get it, as has been pointed out, 10 goals last season and he didn’t play every game and he does chase and press which is what we’re supposed to be doing. I guess MA doesn’t fancy him, or doesn’t see him in his meth of playing. Nevertheless, why sell, or loan him to another championship club.
 
Matesrates said:
I just don’t get it, as has been pointed out, 10 goals last season and he didn’t play every game and he does chase and press which is what we’re supposed to be doing. I guess MA doesn’t fancy him, or doesn’t see him in his meth of playing. Nevertheless, why sell, or loan him to another championship club.
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I can only think we believe we can get better with the money on offer from Millwall? Shayne has been woefully out of form for a while, I can see why the club may be happy to sell but would like to see someone in first!
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
How have you managed to blame Critchley? 😩

We play 433 and it doesn’t suit him at all so it makes sense for a move away for game time.

He hasn’t looked the same player since his injury, nothing to do with Critchley, let it go ffs.
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I don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates included

You had times last season when people scored and then didn't play the next match

Bizarre
 
He's got a great attitude but I dont think he fits into our style of play, better hold-up play
is needed. The Stoke strikers showed this.
 
Hopefully it's permanent.... He doesn't offer anything much different too what we have already IMHO and he needs to be a regular starter, which is just never going to happen at Blackpool. He'd have been my choice to offload if I had one, so happy with this and especially if we've cashed in 👍

Philbfctrois said:
I don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates included

You had times last season when people scored and then didn't play the next match

Bizarre
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I agree with you on the Yates front Phil.... I think certain players work off confidence (Bowler is another) and I think that the constant fannying around didn't help their game at all.
 
To me it’s muddled thinking in the recruiting strategy. Same as having no right back for ages then signing Gabriel and Sterling. Then you have to keep rotating to maintain sharpness and some level of squad harmony.

I think it would be a shame to let him go. There’s a player there, but I can’t disagree with the point that he’s not suited to 4-3-3.
 
Absolutely, I’ve said the same thing about Yates and Lavery, squad rotation has killed them both as players, Lavery in particular. They both need regular football with 2 up top and they will thrive. We will regret letting Lavery leave as he will do well at another club who decide play to his strengths. Such a shame if he goes but not surprising.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates included

You had times last season when people scored and then didn't play the next match

Bizarre
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Agree on Yates but you’re talking about Lavery.

It was his injury that stopped any momentum he was building.
 
straightatthewall said:
To me it’s muddled thinking in the recruiting strategy. Same as having no right back for ages then signing Gabriel and Sterling. Then you have to keep rotating to maintain sharpness and some level of squad harmony.

I think it would be a shame to let him go. There’s a player there, but I can’t disagree with the point that he’s not suited to 4-3-3.
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Think it's the club trying to adapt the squad to the different system of the new manager and the fact he's not scored in his last 14 appearances with us.

For all we know, he might be on the same path as Joe Nuttall where it just never happens for him again but he did seem to have an eye for goal when he first arrived last season so will be interesting to track how he gets on.
 
Philbfctrois said:
He looks unfit to me and Critchleys over tinkering and rotation hasn't helped him at all
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Fitness- easy enough to sort.

No Critchley anymore.
straightatthewall said:
To me it’s muddled thinking in the recruiting strategy. Same as having no right back for ages then signing Gabriel and Sterling. Then you have to keep rotating to maintain sharpness and some level of squad harmony.

I think it would be a shame to let him go. There’s a player there, but I can’t disagree with the point that he’s not suited to 4-3-3.
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Can't disagree with the recruitment. Yet another player brought in on a 3 year deal and lasted 1 if he goes on a perm (can't see it being a loan). If it's a loan, then more wages still being paid and then another wage for his replacement.

Also the 433. Just how many players are suited to it?
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Think it's the club trying to adapt the squad to the different system of the new manager and the fact he's not scored in his last 14 appearances with us.

For all we know, he might be on the same path as Joe Nuttall where it just never happens for him again but he did seem to have an eye for goal when he first arrived last season so will be interesting to track how he gets on.
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Possibly, but isn’t the set up supposed to work on a bigger strategy than how each new coach wants to play?
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yes he got injured but he was rotated along with several other players
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Sadly both him and Virtue are just not the same players since their injuries both are clearly struggling to nail down a regular starting place.
With the 25 man squad naming coming up soon we need to off load both and replace with better quality.
If they end up at a championship club so be it.
 
I don’t think we should be selling any forward until we have brought one in.

Having impressed me when he first came, been pretty “un-inspired” with him to be honest, weather playing Critch’s 442 or App’s 433.

I personally think we should have a squad that can play any formation, I agree in favouring one system though if we know our best 11
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Weird one - he clearly doesn't fit the style of play or our 4-3-3. But I hate the thought of playing against him, think he'd be all over Ekpiteta & Williams like a rash especially if he goes to a team like Millwall.
 
There will be games where 433 doesn’t work and we need to change possibly to 442, or 4321. Surely it’s fairly easy to move one closer to the middle and one to drop back to make a midfield 4.
 
Don’t get why sell him to a rival club in our league
can see it , lavery scores and pool are relegated 😔

I get he dosnt look fit , ripping his hamstring last season , he hasn’t been same since
 
straightatthewall said:
Possibly, but isn’t the set up supposed to work on a bigger strategy than how each new coach wants to play?
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It's an odd one for me.... I thought that Critchley was supposed to favour 433... And that our ultimate aim was to deliver exciting attacking football... To that extent, you'd have thought the recruitment policy would have always been to support that system.... As I understood it the system adopted by Critchley was about pragmatism (rather than objective) and an acceptance that, at the time, we didn't have the players to play winning 433.

However, listening to the recent interview it comes across that our recruitment policy had actually been altered already and rather than supporting an eventual transition to 433, we were recruiting to fit the interim 'make do and mend / compromise' system.

Then we've recruited someone else who aims to play an attacking 433 and we find ourselves having not transitioned towards that system, with a recruitment policy that supports a system we never wanted to play in the first place and a New Manager who needs to pretty much rebuild the entire squad (which all comes at a big cost to SS and the Club).

I've been pretty positive about the decision making on the whole, but I have to admit that this recruitment thing has me absolutely stumped...
 
Not a fan of his to be honest. Just can't get over how bad his touch and passing are. Unless you are laying them on a plate for him he's not involved at all. Would far rather we got an all round in who can get involved outside the box aswell as getting on the end of things inside the box.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's an odd one for me.... I thought that Critchley was supposed to favour 433... And that our ultimate aim was to deliver exciting attacking football... To that extent, you'd have thought the recruitment policy would have always been to support that system.... As I understood it the system adopted by Critchley was about pragmatism (rather than objective) and an acceptance that, at the time, we didn't have the players to play winning 433.

However, listening to the recent interview it comes across that our recruitment policy had actually been altered already and rather than supporting an eventual transition to 433, we were recruiting to fit the interim 'make do and mend / compromise' system.

Then we've recruited someone else who aims to play an attacking 433 and we find ourselves having not transitioned towards that system, with a recruitment policy that supports a system we never wanted to play in the first place and a New Manager who needs to pretty much rebuild the entire squad (which all comes at a big cost to SS and the Club).

I've been pretty positive about the decision making on the whole, but I have to admit that this recruitment thing has me absolutely stumped...
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Yep it's all a bit scattergun, as I said 2 years ago 😉
 
Philbfctrois said:
He looks unfit to me and Critchleys over tinkering and rotation hasn't helped him at all
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Thinking back to last season Critchleys over tinkering and rotation didn’t help a lot of the players TBH, and I’m still pissed off with him after that shit show at Peterborough and I’ll never understand that team selection as long as l live especially in front of all the supporters who made the trip!
 
TangerineBayern said:
Thinking back to last season Critchleys over tinkering and rotation didn’t help a lot of the players TBH, and I’m still pissed off with him after that shit show at Peterborough and I’ll never understand that team selection as long as l live especially in front of all the supporters who made the trip!
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I think Critchley had given up by then as he was clearly looking for a way out

Highly unprofessional
 
If we have players in wide position who can consistently put the ball in the box there could be an argument to keep him.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I think Critchley had given up by then as he was clearly looking for a way out

Highly unprofessional
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Spot on and as you say highly unprofessional but totally disrespectful to the supporters, that was the day l gave up on him and even if he had stayed he would have been found wanting this season!
 
Tangerine Manc said:
Don’t get why sell him to a rival club in our league
can see it , lavery scores and pool are relegated 😔

I get he dosnt look fit , ripping his hamstring last season , he hasn’t been same since
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Clubs in a league below probably wouldn't have the money for a player who has scored goals in the Championship so perhaps the best deal financially?
straightatthewall said:
Possibly, but isn’t the set up supposed to work on a bigger strategy than how each new coach wants to play?
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It's only the odd tweak rather than a full scale overhaul so the general strategy will largely remain the same. It's like Tesco's introducing Yo-Sushi into their stores and needing a few Sushi chefs rather than more shelf stackers. 😃
 
People have called Lavery fit to burst for months now, as he's looked off the pace and highly unlikely to score.

The moment he's linked with a move, he's the best thing since sliced bread and we need to keep him.

For me, he hasn't looked like scoring since before Christmas. He can go for me. We need to get better.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates included

You had times last season when people scored and then didn't play the next match

Bizarre
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I tend to agree. I also think it was very evident that once we got to around November, Lavery was much more constrained in his play. One of his great attributes was his closing defenders and keepers down with a tad of aggression. That disappeared and he sat deeper that was almost certainly tactical
 
Had a good game and scored in the away win at Millwall , using his pace. No doubt Rowett noted that. If he can play to his strengths could be a good signing
 
Torycorner said:
I don’t think we should be selling any forward until we have brought one in.

Having impressed me when he first came, been pretty “un-inspired” with him to be honest, weather playing Critch’s 442 or App’s 433.

I personally think we should have a squad that can play any formation, I agree in favouring one system though if we know our best 11
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Why have you put uninspired in quotation marks ???? This forum is weird.
 
fcblackpool said:
If Bowler goes I reckon Lavery could do the right of a 3 uptop.

I'd keep myself- plenty of others to ship out first.
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I see a lot of the young Brett in Lavery. First stint, he had a burst of pace and energy that could really throw defenders and was an instinctive finisher. Put him through on a 1-on-1 however, and he missed far more than he scored. Hit his straps with Macca (and Murph), got his move and by the time he returned, he was a different player who was able to adapt to Ollie's system and play in an intelligent way in a 3, with good movement, goals and assists.
 
People have short memories. He was almost a one man forward line at times last year. If he’s shielding an injury it’s a silly move. He won’t do any better at Millwall. Pool’s backroom staff should be working on him to get him back to full fitness. He’s far too good to sell on. He and Yates together are potentially a real handful.
 
Jerry has the better touch but as a defender I would way less rather play against Lavery. What we really need is a combination of the two - i.e. a DJ style player - hard to find 😗
 
Mark_GT said:
Jerry has the better touch but as a defender I would way less rather play against Lavery. What we really need is a combination of the two - i.e. a DJ style player - hard to find 😗
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Lavery is 23 and a full i'nal.

If you read above the comparison with Brett and you look when it all 'clicked' for him he was 25 when he got his Soton move.

We need to keep Lavery and bring him on.
 
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