Lavery to Millwall

Pool CW said:
I'm a bit sad about it. One of my favourite players. Will probably help Millwall into the play offs.
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Yes, though ineffective at present, can see his career could be revived there. He needs to be playing high up the field , off another striker. Would be embarrassing if he did well , not convinced we have a other striker lined up. Would be happy if we have.
 
fcblackpool said:
Lavery is 23 and a full i'nal.

If you read above the comparison with Brett and you look when it all 'clicked' for him he was 25 when he got his Soton move.

We need to keep Lavery and bring him on.
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The comparison with Brett has certainly given me a chuckle this morning 😂

He’s certainly very rough around the edges and can / could be quite tenacious and chase down apparently dead causes.

Unfortunately he’s just looked like a complete pudding though for ages and whilst there might ‘be a player in there somewhere’ I’m not convinced he has the technical attributes to be anything but hit and miss at this level….
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The comparison with Brett has certainly given me a chuckle this morning 😂

He’s certainly very rough around the edges and can / could be quite tenacious and chase down apparently dead causes.

Unfortunately he’s just looked like a complete pudding though for ages and whilst there might ‘be a player in there somewhere’ I’m not convinced he has the technical attributes to be anything but hit and miss at this level….
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The difference is that Brett was at a lower league level and choices were less. Lavery is competing against others and currently losing out. We also don't really have the time to let him learn and develop at this level. He's one of those that would be good to keep IF you have the budget and the wider squad depth. In our situation, I suspect we'll have to move him on to move the squad forward, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him prosper (whatever that means) for someone else.
 
It looks like he is going. Think this one will come back and bite us on the arse. 10 goals last season on limited appearances, 23 years old, full international, longish contract. How much would webe quoted if we were looking to buy from another Championship club ? Needs to be a good seven figure deal to make sense.

If it goes through I'd expect Morgan to be incoming.
 
bollieboy said:
It looks like he is going. Think this one will come back and bite us on the arse. 10 goals last season on limited appearances, 23 years old, full international, longish contract. How much would webe quoted if we were looking to buy from another Championship club ? Needs to be a good seven figure deal to make sense.

If it goes through I'd expect Morgan to be incoming.
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Correct, see the ridiculous figures being quoted for some of the average midfielders with only 1 year left on their contracts. If its permanent it has to be a big figure.
 
straightatthewall said:
The difference is that Brett was at a lower league level and choices were less. Lavery is competing against others and currently losing out. We also don't really have the time to let him learn and develop at this level. He's one of those that would be good to keep IF you have the budget and the wider squad depth. In our situation, I suspect we'll have to move him on to move the squad forward, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him prosper (whatever that means) for someone else.
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We might be able to actually get something for Lavery. It's not like he's a Sarkic or a Nuttall that you're looking to get off the books any way you can. He has at least some value, and is presumably of more use to Millwall than he is to us. Hopefully we'll get a fee for him that we can re-invest.
 
bollieboy said:
It looks like he is going. Think this one will come back and bite us on the arse. 10 goals last season on limited appearances, 23 years old, full international, longish contract. How much would webe quoted if we were looking to buy from another Championship club ? Needs to be a good seven figure deal to make sense.

If it goes through I'd expect Morgan to be incoming.
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Can only be a significant cash sale return on a free transfer for it to work. If it's a loan you might as well throw in permission to play against us and let him have an empty net.
 
straightatthewall said:
The difference is that Brett was at a lower league level and choices were less. Lavery is competing against others and currently losing out. We also don't really have the time to let him learn and develop at this level. He's one of those that would be good to keep IF you have the budget and the wider squad depth. In our situation, I suspect we'll have to move him on to move the squad forward, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him prosper (whatever that means) for someone else.
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Brett had Murphs, who is far and away a better CF than Madine.

Also you can't keep paying twice for a players position. One for the solution you thought you had and then for the replacement.

As I said above loads more to ship out before him.
 
Lavery and Yates need a consistent run of games in their favoured position to be effective. This 433 needs to be successful fast if we're letting Lavery go and playing Yates out of position to accommodate it.

Hopefully we'll bring in someone who can hit the ground running and score goals in this league, but it seems strange to let go a player who has already proven he can get into double figures at this level.
 
When he was playing well he looked like he was a class above, then got injured and since has never really got going.

A lot of touches seem to bounce off and nothing came off for him.

However I'm sure he can recapture his form somewhere.

If he does go I hope we get decent money, like other clubs value their players at.

Even league 1 clubs turn down over a million for their players.

He has scored good goals in the championship and is young.

Let's remember he was free wasn't he, so to benefit from his goals and sell on is the policy.

Plus if we then reinvest and start from a higher base with someone and do the same process, benefit from them for a year or 2 then sell, thats the model.
 
I've gone from being a big Lav fan to wondering what's happened to him. Confidence seems to have completely deserted him. He's an instinctive high energy player and his instinct and energy seem to have departed for now at least. Without instinct and energy he doesn't have the all round game to contribute much. I think it's a case of us needing a to trade some players to get what we need cos what we've got doesn't work. I think I'd rather keep Yates, who is obviously a better footballer. Beesley is injured, and has some potential possibly, at least to fit into 433. Madine is an immovable object sort of thing! Shame about Simms but Sunderland is a bigger draw unfortunately. I can see us taking another loan player in to play up front, it's probably the only way we will get the quality needed, unfortunately.
 
straightatthewall said:
The difference is that Brett was at a lower league level and choices were less. Lavery is competing against others and currently losing out. We also don't really have the time to let him learn and develop at this level. He's one of those that would be good to keep IF you have the budget and the wider squad depth. In our situation, I suspect we'll have to move him on to move the squad forward, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him prosper (whatever that means) for someone else
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Fair point…. A lot of the players we’ve signed would / could have probably blossomed in League 1 (perhaps Lavery included)…
 
RossendaleSeasider said:
Lavery and Yates need a consistent run of games in their favoured position to be effective. This 433 needs to be successful fast if we're letting Lavery go and playing Yates out of position to accommodate it.

Hopefully we'll bring in someone who can hit the ground running and score goals in this league, but it seems strange to let go a player who has already proven he can get into double figures at this level.
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What makes you think Yates is out of position wide in a 3? He is certainly not a CF and his best season at Swindon was in exactly that position.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Nah… but you can’t hang on to lower level players hoping they’re going to miraculously transform into something they’re not.

We’ve got too many (not quite up to it) players as it is.
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Yep but something has to give and its not looking like the club are willing to pay that much to improve things
 
I'd be concerned about losing a striker. There's plenty of positions we have surplus players but not up front. If anything, Lavery has at least the potential to be a good Championship striker. Madine and Yates possibly have less potential and ability at this level.. IMO
 
fcblackpool said:
Or in Laverys case, revert to what he was.

In my view he needs games, a place in the system (wide right) , confidence and meaningful ball.
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What was he though?

A tenacious, but all too predictable, player who's finishing was hit and miss... He had a limited game when he arrived, he's not developed it beyond that. Another player who suddenly became a superstar when he was injured.
 
I'm surprised by this one. I like Lavery and thought he looked a cracking talent before his injury. I'd have thought we would have kept him for at least for this season to see if he could recapture his form. MA either doesn't think he can adapt to the 4-3-3 formation or is maybe trying to generate additional transfer funds to get some more deals over the line..,
 
A couple of points:
- We can’t keep changing the whole squad every time there’s a change of manager.
- Why do all our players’ returning from injury seem so far off the pace, compared to before?
 
He certainly looks heavier than when he joined. His lack of pace and confidence was clearly evident with the chance he had against Reading.
Probably best for him to have a new challenge.
 
tangerine_neil said:
A couple of points:
- We can’t keep changing the whole squad every time there’s a change of manager.
- Why do all our players’ returning from injury seem so far off the pace, compared to before?
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In answer to your second point, could it be the night time attractions of The gold Coast?
 
Clearly struggling to get players in so if we haven’t got a nailed on replacement then it’s a no from me and I don’t mean a loan.
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
I'm surprised by this one. I like Lavery and thought he looked a cracking talent before his injury. I'd have thought we would have kept him for at least for this season to see if he could recapture his form. MA either doesn't think he can adapt to the 4-3-3 formation or is maybe trying to generate additional transfer funds to get some more deals over the line..,
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yep, that's the big question. Can Lavery re-discover the form he showed prior to his injury? Mixed feelings on this one. If he can then we've let a very good promising player go. And probably on the cheap too.
 
20togo said:
yep, that's the big question. Can Lavery re-discover the form he showed prior to his injury? Mixed feelings on this one. If he can then we've let a very good promising player go. And probably on the cheap too.
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I'd say 'possibly' on the cheap rather than 'probably'.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What was he though?

A tenacious, but all too predictable, player who's finishing was hit and miss... He had a limited game when he arrived, he's not developed it beyond that. Another player who suddenly became a superstar when he was injured.
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He scored 8 goals in 15 games before his injury, and 12 in 40 overall that season. Point me to a better record at BFC since the start of last season.

How you can say another player who suddenly became a superstar when he was injured is beyond me. A sad reflection of a throwaway society where trying to fix a problem is to be avoided and buying a new shiny version preferred.
 
bollieboy said:
It looks like he is going. Think this one will come back and bite us on the arse. 10 goals last season on limited appearances, 23 years old, full international, longish contract. How much would webe quoted if we were looking to buy from another Championship club ? Needs to be a good seven figure deal to make sense.

If it goes through I'd expect Morgan to be incoming.
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Yep. We're getting £1m bids turned down for league one players, and players who have never played above league one in the last year of their contract. I don't think we should sell him but if we do, it needs to be probably £2m+ at least. Anything less and we're failing badly imo. The fact that it's Millwall doesn't suggest we're holding out for much although I havent seen an offer accepted yet.
The bottom line is we undervalue our players constantly and will never make progress while that's still happening.
 
BFC_53 said:
Yep. We're getting £1m bids turned down for league one players, and players who have never played above league one in the last year of their contract. I don't think we should sell him but if we do, it needs to be probably £2m+ at least. Anything less and we're failing badly imo. The fact that it's Millwall doesn't suggest we're holding out for much although I havent seen an offer accepted yet.
The bottom line is we undervalue our players constantly and will never make progress while that's still happening.
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Disagree. I think £1m would be a very decent return for someone we got on a free who will be mostly warming the bench this season.
 
Agreed. Genuinely believe he’s one of the best options we have and needs to be given a chance. Unless we have a suitable replacement this is a bad move from the club.
 
fcblackpool said:
He scored 8 goals in 15 games before his injury, and 12 in 40 overall that season. Point me to a better record at BFC since the start of last season.

How you can say another player who suddenly became a superstar when he was injured is beyond me. A sad reflection of a throwaway society where trying to fix a problem is to be avoided and buying a new shiny version preferred.
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Sorry.. Where are you getting your stats from?
 
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