Leicester

Either you won’t get a bite or it will get pulled and you will get a slap on the wrist.
 
I don't live there you belm but the local medical authorities are saying that there's a number of reasons being looked into. The majority of cases are amongst the working class in the East of the City who work in jobs where it is hard to socially distance. They also have to use public transport more. There have been cases in a local Sandwich factory for example which fits a pattern across types of food processing plants. There has been a significant increase in people coming forward for testing and there is also the cultural factor in that much of the population are Asian where families are not limited to the stereotypical Nuclear but live with extended family members. This will increase transmission.
If iit was the recent gatherings then I'd be expecting a massive surge in every major Town and City. Let's see.
 
southshorepool said:
I don't live there you belm but the local medical authorities are saying that there's a number of reasons being looked into. The majority of cases are amongst the working class in the East of the City who work in jobs where it is hard to socially distance. They also have to use public transport more. There have been cases in a local Sandwich factory for example which fits a pattern across types of food processing plants. There has been a significant increase in people coming forward for testing and there is also the cultural factor in that much of the population are Asian where families are not limited to the stereotypical Nuclear but live with extended family members. This will increase transmission.
If iit was the recent gatherings then I'd be expecting a massive surge in every major Town and City. Let's see.
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Wtf is a belm? If an abusive word then why ? And you wonder why there’s so much division on here. Couldn’t you of posted your reply without having a pop ? Why are you so angry ? I suspect the mods will let it go. They wouldn’t if the shoe was on the other foot.
 
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Do you mean that same public sector that have manned the wards in the hospitals and paid the ultimate price?
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As someone who worked in the NHS, yes I do. There are parts of the public sector which are hugely dysfunctional. And other parts which are to be admired. It’s too simplistic to think all is well because of the frontline sacrifices of key workers
 
Unfortunately the simple fact some have not taken this seriously enough be that those in power or the general public.
I agree with a lot of what Wiz says but no way have anything like 98% of the population done so.
Still 174 deaths today.
 
I live in a village in South Leicestershire. We are 4 miles away from the southerly end of the lockdown zone The local pub has spent a week preparing extra outside seating to open on Saturday. They have decided to stay closed for now in case of an influx from Leicester driving up cases of Covid in the village. Sensible decision , I’ll just have to wait a bit longer for the pint.
 
Bradford is now in danger of going the same way as Leicester, which is very annoying and soul-destroying for those who have stuck to the rules yet have seen others ignoring advice, demonstrating, having street parties letting off fireworks, burning the grass in parks with portable BBQ.s, littering parks with rubbish, creating havoc on off-road vehicles, using playgrounds that are locked and generally acting like the pratts they are.

I just hope it doesn't happen here or else the holiday I have booked for the family in Whitby for the end of this month will be up the spout. A holiday my daughter and her kids, in particular, need and the pressure of trying to have a refund of my money unwelcome.
 
deary said:
Unfortunately the simple fact some have not taken this seriously enough be that those in power or the general public.
I agree with a lot of what Wiz says but no way have anything like 98% of the population done so.
Still 174 deaths today.
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What percentage would you go for? I genuinely don't know anyone who hasn't followed the guidelines.
 
Wizaard said:
What percentage would you go for? I genuinely don't know anyone who hasn't followed the guidelines.
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I certainly know a number of people who havent. You must mix in better circles 😂
Also when a university survey sometime ago found around 50% of young males hadnt that really tells its own story.
I would say the number is not even 80%. If 4 out of 5 have i would be pleasantly surprised tbh.
 
I agree deary, although we'll never know the true percentage.
I know a number of people who haven't followed the rules since day one. I've also seen numerous examples of it whilst out and about. Particularly by visitors in Blackpool on nice weather weekends. And you only have to turn on the tv and see the demonstrations in cities, packed beaches and parks, the fans in Liverpool etc etc to know that there a good number who have broken the rules.
And who knows how many unscrupulous employers have forced employees to work without following the rules?
As Wiz said, look after yourself.
And I'll repeat what I've said before. You can't legislate for stupidity
 
Wizaard said:
It is. 98% of the population have stuck to the rules at sometimes great personal cost. If there is a spike I will at least have the consolation that it's not affecting me and my family. Sometimes you have to look after yourself.
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Where does this figure of 98% come from Wizard
 
Tahir Ali Birmingham MP blasted by police for attending a funeral- Rosie Duffield resigned Labour Whip after meeting married lover- Stephen Kinnoch visiting millionaire parents.
 
Wizaard said:
Made it up but it equates to around 500,000 not following the rules.
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I wish it were only that number. I could list a number of inner city conurbations on the at risk list which greatly exceeds that figure. The question becomes what is the prevalent behaviour and the structural differences in those communities which differ so greatly from other areas where the lockdown was observed and effective.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
I wish it were only that number. I could list a number of inner city conurbations on the at risk list which greatly exceeds that figure. The question becomes what is the prevalent behaviour and the structural differences in those communities which differ so greatly from other areas where the lockdown was observed and effective.
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How many inner city conurbations are there on the dark side of the Lune?
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
As someone who worked in the NHS, yes I do. There are parts of the public sector which are hugely dysfunctional. And other parts which are to be admired. It’s too simplistic to think all is well because of the frontline sacrifices of key workers
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And there are even larger parts of the private sector that are hugely dysfunctional but you're not bleating about that are you? Ever had an agenda, Dark Side?
 
How many mass gatherings with no resultant outbreaks does someone need to see before it sinks in? The virus is already endemic.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
And there are even larger parts of the private sector that are hugely dysfunctional but you're not bleating about that are you? Ever had an agenda, Dark Side?
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Bleating? Oh do fuck off. Not everyone has an agenda just because doesn’t fit with your one-dimensional view.
I have just said there are parts of the public sector to be admired so where’s the agenda there? But having sat on the Board of an NHS Trust I do know where dysfunctionality exists as well. And the soon to be revealed fall out between Public Health England and the DoHSC will be a very fine example. Why bring the private sector’s shortcomings into it? This isn’t about that. Oh of course, you have an agenda.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Bleating? Oh do fuck off. Not everyone has an agenda just because doesn’t fit with your one-dimensional view.
I have just said there are parts of the public sector to be admired so where’s the agenda there? But having sat on the Board of an NHS Trust I do know where dysfunctionality exists as well. And the soon to be revealed fall out between Public Health England and the DoHSC will be a very fine example. Why bring the private sector’s shortcomings into it? This isn’t about that. Oh of course, you have an agenda.
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Ooh, one dimensional view. I must write that down, it sounds impressive. It swears as well. Is there no end to the talents on show. So, what's with the cheap shot, "you gotta love the public sector"? Did you use that nugget on your NHS Board. Why drag in the whole of the public sector for your cheap dig? Tell you what, I'll not assume you're taking smug shots partially at the public sector when you stop making them, eh? How about it Mr NHS Trust?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Ooh, one dimensional view. I must write that down, it sounds impressive. It swears as well. Is there no end to the talents on show. So, what's with the cheap shot, "you gotta love the public sector"? Did you use that nugget on your NHS Board. Why drag in the whole of the public sector for your cheap dig? Tell you what, I'll not assume you're taking smug shots partially at the public sector when you stop making them, eh? How about it Mr NHS Trust?
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Because the problems on show are symptoms of deep-rooted problems frequently found across public sector management. Specifically, a set of behaviours typified by avoidance, blame, bullying, centralised control and inertia. Which explains a lot as to why those at the frontline were let down at the start of this pandemic and why the fall out will be vicious. Meanwhile, the public the sector is supposed to serve die in numbers that were avoidable. You might say I’m a bit angry about it as it’s been going on for years. But if you want to reduce it to simplistic name calling on an obscure messageboard then I hope it makes you feel better.
 
Interesting comparison of in-sourcing versus out-sourcing during Covid-19.

Track and trace app - absolute disaster. Out-sourced

HMRC furlough scheme system - has worked surprisingly well. In-house.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Because the problems on show are symptoms of deep-rooted problems frequently found across public sector management. Specifically, a set of behaviours typified by avoidance, blame, bullying, centralised control and inertia. Which explains a lot as to why those at the frontline were let down at the start of this pandemic and why the fall out will be vicious. Meanwhile, the public the sector is supposed to serve die in numbers that were avoidable. You might say I’m a bit angry about it as it’s been going on for years. But if you want to reduce it to simplistic name calling on an obscure messageboard then I hope it makes you feel better.
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DSOL, I think some of your criticisms of the public sector are well-observed, from my own experience. But they are also localised, and sit alongside areas where very good standards are set and observed. It really is horses for courses, and my experience of the private sector it is equally true there too.

The main weakness in your remarks is in your tendency to generalise ; the nonsense you came out with about inner city conurbations is, well, just that, really. Your central point - as I understand it - is fair enough. Areas with high population density would be expected to fare worse and need closer and more rigorous scrutiny. But that doesn't explain why - for example - Blackpool has considerably more cases per head of population than Lewisham does. The real picture is highly nuanced, and sweeping statements rarely do it justice.
 
bollieboy said:
Interesting comparison of in-sourcing versus out-sourcing during Covid-19.

Track and trace app - absolute disaster. Out-sourced

HMRC furlough scheme system - has worked surprisingly well. In-house.
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Yes, those bloody useless civil servants, eh?
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Because the problems on show are symptoms of deep-rooted problems frequently found across public sector management. Specifically, a set of behaviours typified by avoidance, blame, bullying, centralised control and inertia. Which explains a lot as to why those at the frontline were let down at the start of this pandemic and why the fall out will be vicious. Meanwhile, the public the sector is supposed to serve die in numbers that were avoidable. You might say I’m a bit angry about it as it’s been going on for years. But if you want to reduce it to simplistic name calling on an obscure messageboard then I hope it makes you feel better.
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OK Dark Side, let's both cut out the name-calling and sweary stuff. Your last post about the negative behaviours is well observed but I don't believe that instances where those behaviours exist is exclusive to the public sector. Anyway, you don't need to make that connection for your concerns to be valid.
 
basilrobbie said:
DSOL, I think some of your criticisms of the public sector are well-observed, from my own experience. But they are also localised, and sit alongside areas where very good standards are set and observed. It really is horses for courses, and my experience of the private sector it is equally true there too.

The main weakness in your remarks is in your tendency to generalise ; the nonsense you came out with about inner city conurbations is, well, just that, really. Your central point - as I understand it - is fair enough. Areas with high population density would be expected to fare worse and need closer and more rigorous scrutiny. But that doesn't explain why - for example - Blackpool has considerably more cases per head of population than Lewisham does. The real picture is highly nuanced, and sweeping statements rarely do it justice.
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Wouldn’t it be dull though 😉
 
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