Lets play this possession based football

JJpool

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Said this on a couple of threads now but we apparently are trying to play this style.

It's early days of course, however it has to improve and there's elements that I expected to be far better.

We seem to give up on our apparent possession based style when we're pressed. This seems bizarre as if we stick at it that's the only way to improve, we also don't seem set up in the best way and the movement isn't enough to do it. OK we should mix it up occasionally to keep the opposition on their toes, but not over use it.

If we look at an example, Burnley, they were good on the ball but you could see them passing out and making mistakes early on, but stuck with it and went up with ease. I didn't see them having to go long time after time.

I want to see us dominate the ball, as is the plan, from there we can work our way up the pitch, draw teams out, limit their chances and with a bit more quality we can take some. If we were doing that but not scoring people could see the plan and that we just need that bit of cutting edge and we're getting there.

But we've abandoned our principles far too easily at times, so are the players going long because they feel they have to, out of habit? Or are they told to? Given how meticulous NC is it seems odd they wouldn't be working to his plan, but his plan is at odds with... his apparent plan.

We need our midfield to drop deeper and recieve the ball on the half turn, we need little hesitation, good weight of pass, give and go, a positive mindset and encouragement to stick with it from the manager and fans.

The best example of what I want to see, and clearly the club do as they showed it proudly on the preview show, is like away at Derby, the passing was crisp and the ball kept and worked up and down with ease and confidence, at speed at times.

So why give up on that style so easily, especially as NC is meant to be so good at getting them drilled with the tactics? Exeter didn't give up on it when we played them, they carried on playing whilst we went long at times.

Let's get back to it and that's the base we build from. It's not just pointless possession either, which is what we've had in a lot of the cases recently before going long, although there will be some where we're waiting for an opening, so better for us to have it than pump it long back to the opposition.

We need to be brave, at times it'll be close to losing it, they'll be shouts from some fans of get rid of it etc, but I'd rather see us sticking to a popper possession based plan and improving than a half hearted effort that means we're the master of nothing.

If we are to go back up that style is the best way to keep us up, so it's best we master it now and stick to the apparent style we're meant to be playing.
 
Burnley were mainly players who had spent several seasons in the Premier league ie. Quality footballers which is why the won the league at a canter.
 
Burnley were mainly players who had spent several seasons in the Premier league ie. Quality footballers which is why the won the league at a canter.
It was an example of a team sticking with a style, other sides do too.

We have good players at league 1 level a lot who played and are experienced in the championship.

We should be able to stick with our principles.

We saw what Holloway could do with, let's be honest, what we're seen as a lot of other teams cast offs many of them.

We have enough good and experienced players even now to be able to very competent in a passing style, especially with a manager who's widely praised for his methods and tactics.

No excuses, if we're meant to be playing a passing style we should be doing it better and not abandoning it so easily.
 
Movement is the key. As you say, crisp fluid passing - no one is going to call against possession based play then, because it's good to watch and will create chances.

Right now, barring three sizeable periods in the season to date, we become almost statuesque. And that's when we become "boring", as it's suddenly in vogue to refer to us as. CH, usually Marv, goes long or tries a low percentage pass over a full back. Which isn't a bad idea or variation, but especially with Orient appeared to be our main attacking intent. Not good enough.

With the arrival of Weir, and maybe one more to come, we can now play a completely comfortable in possession midfield without having to consider if one of them isn't up to it. I'm hoping it signals the start of a change of gear.
 
Said this on a couple of threads now but we apparently are trying to play this style.

It's early days of course, however it has to improve and there's elements that I expected to be far better.

We seem to give up on our apparent possession based style when we're pressed. This seems bizarre as if we stick at it that's the only way to improve, we also don't seem set up in the best way and the movement isn't enough to do it. OK we should mix it up occasionally to keep the opposition on their toes, but not over use it.

If we look at an example, Burnley, they were good on the ball but you could see them passing out and making mistakes early on, but stuck with it and went up with ease. I didn't see them having to go long time after time.

I want to see us dominate the ball, as is the plan, from there we can work our way up the pitch, draw teams out, limit their chances and with a bit more quality we can take some. If we were doing that but not scoring people could see the plan and that we just need that bit of cutting edge and we're getting there.

But we've abandoned our principles far too easily at times, so are the players going long because they feel they have to, out of habit? Or are they told to? Given how meticulous NC is it seems odd they wouldn't be working to his plan, but his plan is at odds with... his apparent plan.

We need our midfield to drop deeper and recieve the ball on the half turn, we need little hesitation, good weight of pass, give and go, a positive mindset and encouragement to stick with it from the manager and fans.

The best example of what I want to see, and clearly the club do as they showed it proudly on the preview show, is like away at Derby, the passing was crisp and the ball kept and worked up and down with ease and confidence, at speed at times.

So why give up on that style so easily, especially as NC is meant to be so good at getting them drilled with the tactics? Exeter didn't give up on it when we played them, they carried on playing whilst we went long at times.

Let's get back to it and that's the base we build from. It's not just pointless possession either, which is what we've had in a lot of the cases recently before going long, although there will be some where we're waiting for an opening, so better for us to have it than pump it long back to the opposition.

We need to be brave, at times it'll be close to losing it, they'll be shouts from some fans of get rid of it etc, but I'd rather see us sticking to a popper possession based plan and improving than a half hearted effort that means we're the master of nothing.

If we are to go back up that style is the best way to keep us up, so it's best we master it now and stick to the apparent style we're meant to be playing.
Excellent post, we have forgotten about the game against Derby. Maybe we do better against better teams with this style of play?
If we are forced into breaking teams down, we seem to be struggling….
But if the other team is set up to take the game to us, maybe that’s how we can improve?
I hope so, but yeh good post mate!
The frustration of the last 3 games must be a learning curve is still in place… or, Critch has lost the plot and needs putting down!
It’s the humane way 😂😂

Joking of course
 
Said this on a couple of threads now but we apparently are trying to play this style.

It's early days of course, however it has to improve and there's elements that I expected to be far better.

We seem to give up on our apparent possession based style when we're pressed. This seems bizarre as if we stick at it that's the only way to improve, we also don't seem set up in the best way and the movement isn't enough to do it. OK we should mix it up occasionally to keep the opposition on their toes, but not over use it.

If we look at an example, Burnley, they were good on the ball but you could see them passing out and making mistakes early on, but stuck with it and went up with ease. I didn't see them having to go long time after time.

I want to see us dominate the ball, as is the plan, from there we can work our way up the pitch, draw teams out, limit their chances and with a bit more quality we can take some. If we were doing that but not scoring people could see the plan and that we just need that bit of cutting edge and we're getting there.

But we've abandoned our principles far too easily at times, so are the players going long because they feel they have to, out of habit? Or are they told to? Given how meticulous NC is it seems odd they wouldn't be working to his plan, but his plan is at odds with... his apparent plan.

We need our midfield to drop deeper and recieve the ball on the half turn, we need little hesitation, good weight of pass, give and go, a positive mindset and encouragement to stick with it from the manager and fans.

The best example of what I want to see, and clearly the club do as they showed it proudly on the preview show, is like away at Derby, the passing was crisp and the ball kept and worked up and down with ease and confidence, at speed at times.

So why give up on that style so easily, especially as NC is meant to be so good at getting them drilled with the tactics? Exeter didn't give up on it when we played them, they carried on playing whilst we went long at times.

Let's get back to it and that's the base we build from. It's not just pointless possession either, which is what we've had in a lot of the cases recently before going long, although there will be some where we're waiting for an opening, so better for us to have it than pump it long back to the opposition.

We need to be brave, at times it'll be close to losing it, they'll be shouts from some fans of get rid of it etc, but I'd rather see us sticking to a popper possession based plan and improving than a half hearted effort that means we're the master of nothing.

If we are to go back up that style is the best way to keep us up, so it's best we master it now and stick to the apparent style we're meant to be playing.
I agree, but I think it would need Critchley to leave Ekpiteta out of the starting 11 until his use of the ball improves significantly. That's something he can do quite easily as we have plenty that can play in the back 3.
 
Burnley were mainly players who had spent several seasons in the Premier league ie. Quality footballers which is why the won the league at a canter.
Remember our game at Turd Moor last season was early in VK tenure & we pressed really well & forced errors by their back four, one resulting in Theo scoring. Their supporters were very edgy having being used to Dyche's rigid 4-4-2.
But winning the league so easily would indicate they improved.
 
Maybe it's just a confidence thing with Big Marv. At one point he was a stand out player and I cant remember his footwork being so poor. It's as though he misplaced one pass in game and just lost all faith in his feet. If his confidence with his feet gets any lower he's going to struggle to walk.
 
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When we got promoted from League 1 last time we struggled against the team’s that came to stifle us. To improve on that statistic would do our chances of promotion the world of good. Movement is an essential part & get it right & it can appear you have got more players on the pitch than the opposition.
 
Movement is the key. As you say, crisp fluid passing - no one is going to call against possession based play then, because it's good to watch and will create chances.

Right now, barring three sizeable periods in the season to date, we become almost statuesque. And that's when we become "boring", as it's suddenly in vogue to refer to us as. CH, usually Marv, goes long or tries a low percentage pass over a full back. Which isn't a bad idea or variation, but especially with Orient appeared to be our main attacking intent. Not good enough.

With the arrival of Weir, and maybe one more to come, we can now play a completely comfortable in possession midfield without having to consider if one of them isn't up to it. I'm hoping it signals the start of a change of gear.
Movement and tactics, coaching and belief. Sticking to our principles and if not the manager must make it known that's not what he wants.

If he is clearly telling them and they aren't doing it, then there's something wrong.

Players would be encouraged under a manager wanting a passing style, you try it, it goes wrong you get appluaded, as any mistakes are all part of the learning and you believe, but you can see the outline of the play to come and the system.

It's concerning that we've seen it either implemented so weakly, or abandoned so easily.
 
I agree, but I think it would need Critchley to leave Ekpiteta out of the starting 11 until his use of the ball improves significantly. That's something he can do quite easily as we have plenty that can play in the back 3.
Probably right, the game vs Derby had no weak links in passing wise. OK maybe the movement hasn't been great for Ekpiteta, but his passing has been off, atrocious really and teams know the weak link and just leave him when he has the ball, knowing he will struggle.
 
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Probably right, the game vs Derby had no weak links in passing wise. OK maybe the movement hasn't been great for Ekpiteta, but his passing has been off, atrocious really and teams know the weak link and just leave him when he has the ball, knowing he will struggle.
The longer he has the more he struggles, needs a bit of time out to work on the problem.
 
The emphasis on movement is completely correct. Too often our midfield and wide players are static and not making even short runs into space to receive the ball. Also the player who passes the ball should continue to move into space and offer an option. The players should be shown videos of the great Wes who never seemed to stop moving all match. Alternatively, the club could adopt the Roy Kent approach in training and make the players move in unison by tying connected strings to their pricks. Richmond FC seemed to improve after this initiative!
 
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