Mask?

Updated:

March 12: Deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries: 'For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea… in fact, you can actually trap the virus in the mask and start breathing it in.'

April 16: Chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty said: 'The evidence is weak, but the evidence of a small effect is there under certain circumstances.'

April 21: Revealed in meeting minutes a month later, Sage advised: 'On balance, there is enough evidence to support recommendation of community use of cloth face masks, for short periods in enclosed spaces, where social distancing is not possible.'

April 23: Dr Jenny Harries said there could be 'a very, very small potential beneficial effect in some enclosed environments'.

April 24: Health Secretary Matt Hancock said: 'On masks, as more information comes through, the science is constantly evolving and we always bear in mind that science and then take the decision. As of today, the government position is unchanged.'

April 30: Boris Johnson said: 'I do think that face coverings will be useful, both for epidemiological reasons, but also for giving people confidence that they can go back to work.'

May 20: Researchers in Hong Kong found face masks reduced infection by up to 75 per cent.

June 4: Transport Secretary Grant Shapps announced that face coverings will be mandatory on public transport from June 15. He said: 'With more people using transport the evidence suggests wearing face coverings offers some - albeit limited - protection against the spread for the virus.'

June 5: Health Secretary Matt Hancock revealed plans to make face coverings compulsory in hospitals for all staff, visitors and outpatients from June 15, but a furious NHS boss said the decision was made 'without any notice or consultation'. Meanwhile, Grant Shapps said masks would not be required in other settings such as shops because people spend little time in close proximity.

June 12: German study suggests making face masks compulsory could slow the spread of Covid-19 by as much as 40 per cent.

July 10: A government source said it was a 'fair assumption' that masks would become mandatory in shops and other indoor settings within a few weeks.

July 12: I trust people's sense on face masks - Gove

July 14: People MUST wear masks. But not for another week and a half - yes, let's wait another 10 days 😷🤡
 
Saw a fake tan vain boy wearing a home made brown mask get out of a badly parked car in Lytham....
 
Getting on public transport is a desperate choice if you have “asthma, copd or any other breathing conditions” given the raised risk.
And you're exempt from wearing a mask for certain medical conditions. I'd have a note to hand though and possibly a placard round your neck to avoid preachiness from self appointed mask monitors.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: no9
More people wearing them in Sainsbury's this morning. Mind you, the store seems to have largely abandoned regulating people going in, so it it is just as well.

Bus capacities are a bit of a lark. The single deckers are 10,11 or 14 depending on the model. It's why I get on at the first stop and have resumed queuing with my elbows. 😀
 
I think there is some serious research required to be done to find out the relationship between being unable to wear a mask and also being a RWNJ. Seems to be a strong corellation for some reason.
 
I think there is some serious research required to be done to find out the relationship between being unable to wear a mask and also being a RWNJ. Seems to be a strong corellation for some reason.
It's because these 'libertarian RWNJ's' are by their very definition "me me me". When the government were pushing the 20 second hand wash, it wouldn't surprise me if they stopped washing their hands after taking a piss to assert their individual rights.
 
Last edited:
I think there is some serious research required to be done to find out the relationship between being unable to wear a mask and also being a RWNJ. Seems to be a strong corellation for some reason.

I don't think you'd need too much research to find a correlation between snowflakes unable to think for themselves and folk desperate to get a mask on when they don't have to.
 
This is the government's expert advice:

The Tory Daily Mail published this:


March 12: Deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries: 'For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea… in fact, you can actually trap the virus in the mask and start breathing it in.'

April 16: Chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty said: 'The evidence is weak, but the evidence of a small effect is there under certain circumstances.'

April 21: Revealed in meeting minutes a month later, Sage advised: 'On balance, there is enough evidence to support recommendation of community use of cloth face masks, for short periods in enclosed spaces, where social distancing is not possible.'

April 23: Dr Jenny Harries said there could be 'a very, very small potential beneficial effect in some enclosed environments'.

April 24: Health Secretary Matt Hancock said: 'On masks, as more information comes through, the science is constantly evolving and we always bear in mind that science and then take the decision. As of today, the government position is unchanged.'

April 30: Boris Johnson said: 'I do think that face coverings will be useful, both for epidemiological reasons, but also for giving people confidence that they can go back to work.'

May 20: Researchers in Hong Kong found face masks reduced infection by up to 75 per cent.

June 4: Transport Secretary Grant Shapps announced that face coverings will be mandatory on public transport from June 15. He said: 'With more people using transport the evidence suggests wearing face coverings offers some - albeit limited - protection against the spread for the virus.'

June 5: Health Secretary Matt Hancock revealed plans to make face coverings compulsory in hospitals for all staff, visitors and outpatients from June 15, but a furious NHS boss said the decision was made 'without any notice or consultation'. Meanwhile, Grant Shapps said masks would not be required in other settings such as shops because people spend little time in close proximity.

June 12: German study suggests making face masks compulsory could slow the spread of Covid-19 by as much as 40 per cent.

July 10: A government source said it was a 'fair assumption' that masks would become mandatory in shops and other indoor settings within a few weeks.

July 13: I trust people's sense on face masks - Gove

So Gove again, like Boris, is basically saying wear one - don't wear one. Upto you. Zero guidance and not taking the blame.
What your, very detailed, trawl through the archives shows is that this is a fast moving issue where yesterday's news is today's chip paper. I'd happily blame the Tories all day long but this is fast moving stuff and the powers that be - inc. experts - must be living right on the edge.
 
Well, like the country, I find I’m in a state of transition.

Mrs Mex made a job lot of masks for the Mex Tribe a while ago. My first experience a few weeks back was that I couldn’t breath (odd that when you consider Mrs Mex made them), my glasses steamed up, I went red in the face, started to sweat, and got a lot of concerned stares. The reaction may also have had to do with the fact the mask made my ears stick out quite comically.

But in light of the latest Johnson pronouncement and the fact I was visiting retirement homes with lots of vulnerable folk, I decided to give it a second go today. Conclusion? Still a pain and mildly embarrassing. And probably negligible effect. But no need for libertarians so grab their muskets.
 
What your, very detailed, trawl through the archives shows is that this is a fast moving issue where yesterday's news is today's chip paper. I'd happily blame the Tories all day long but this is fast moving stuff and the powers that be - inc. experts - must be living right on the edge.

You could try to spin it that way but what it actually depicts is a complete lack of clarity, cohesion, consistency but most of all leadership.

And I wouldn't class 5 months as "fast paced". Whilst pretty much the rest of the world masked up, our government dithered, contradicted each other, sat on their hands and blamed others.
 
I haven’t worn one yet but I if need to wear then I will. I find it strange though it’s taken until now to make the decision. Although it’s not even now. It’s in ten days time, even more puzzling
 
Watching C4 News
They reckon the driver is to encourage us all to shop
Personally I think it will have the opposite effect and drive more to online shop - certainly that’s my likely reaction.
There really is a lack of leadership from the Govt on this So many mixed messages and contradictions
Can’t believe I’m saying this but Sturgeon has been a lot more consistent
 
Watching C4 News
They reckon the driver is to encourage us all to shop
Personally I think it will have the opposite effect and drive more to online shop - certainly that’s my likely reaction.
There really is a lack of leadership from the Govt on this So many mixed messages and contradictions
Can’t believe I’m saying this but Sturgeon has been a lot more consistent
I agree about the mixed messaging. And am concerned that Johnson is saying one thing, and his nemesis, Gove is saying another.

I really hope this isn’t the start of a battle for the leadership of the Tory Party; at a time like this.
 
They actually aren’t that bad when you get used to them. Did Manchester and back on train in one today. 4 hour journey back as some poor bugger jumped under the train I was on at Salford Cresent 😢.
 
You could try to spin it that way but what it actually depicts is a complete lack of clarity, cohesion, consistency but most of all leadership.

And I wouldn't class 5 months as "fast paced". Whilst pretty much the rest of the world masked up, our government dithered, contradicted each other, sat on their hands and blamed others.
I fully accept that but I'm not excusing Government here rather trying to excuse the experts who would have been advising against a rapidly moving threat.
 
Those under two years old and those with breathing conditions told not to wear masks. So those at risk with breathing conditions,coughing and wheezing all over us are ok to infect people. Even in enclosed areas like trains,buses and shops,anyone not wearing a mask should be treated like lepers,the Govt should buy an Island and send them there,nomask Island.
 
Talking of masks what a stroke of luck I had today whilst shopping in Manchester. Walking by the Giorgio Armani outlet I noticed one of those large basket thingys outside the door full of 3for2 coronavirus masks, so chose 2 red crushed velvet ones for those cooler days, and a gorgeous Egyptian white cotton one for those lovely summer days yet to come! Mind I think our summer was April and May, remember saying to our neighbour, make the most of this lovely weather reckon July will be a right wash out( proved right) mind September can be nice what with global warming and that, so probs get some wear out of the cotton one then. Er, so yeh nearly forgot the price, incredibly £156.99p for the 3! bargain or what. So don’t forget shop local and help our neighbourhood shops.
 
anybody with half a brain knows this isnt about transmission its about retail customer confidence.Its going to have the opposite effect,just when people were beginning to venture out they put another idea in the customers head that shops are not safe places to be.The idea this piece of cloth over your face is going to stop anything at all is laughable.

They need to concentrate on town centres,invest in them,breathe some life into them and give people a reason to visit them.
 
anybody with half a brain knows this isnt about transmission its about retail customer confidence.Its going to have the opposite effect,just when people were beginning to venture out they put another idea in the customers head that shops are not safe places to be.The idea this piece of cloth over your face is going to stop anything at all is laughable.

They need to concentrate on town centres,invest in them,breathe some life into them and give people a reason to visit them.
I disagree, the natural instinct to stop spreading germs or viruses is to cover your mouth. It transmits through bodily particles.
I’m happy and confident wearing one now 👍
 
anybody with half a brain knows this isnt about transmission its about retail customer confidence.Its going to have the opposite effect,just when people were beginning to venture out they put another idea in the customers head that shops are not safe places to be.The idea this piece of cloth over your face is going to stop anything at all is laughable.

They need to concentrate on town centres,invest in them,breathe some life into them and give people a reason to visit them.
Yep - you do have half a brain.
 
Like a good few Ive worn one in shops for a while now so i am quite happy the rest will soon follow suit.
As stated Im not sure it will encourage spending? I & no doubt many others tend to do most shopping apart from grocery online but that was the case pre covid tbf.
 
You can breath in them too.The natural reaction is initially to panic and not breath. But just breath heavy and hard. It’s easy peasy.
 
What your, very detailed, trawl through the archives shows is that this is a fast moving issue where yesterday's news is today's chip paper. I'd happily blame the Tories all day long but this is fast moving stuff and the powers that be - inc. experts - must be living right on the edge.
You don’t need to be a medical expert, or award winning scientist to figure out that you wear a mask in a virus pandemic. Even if you weren’t 100% sure of the benefits it should always be the default first thing to do, just in case.
 
anybody with half a brain knows this isnt about transmission its about retail customer confidence.Its going to have the opposite effect,just when people were beginning to venture out they put another idea in the customers head that shops are not safe places to be.The idea this piece of cloth over your face is going to stop anything at all is laughable.

They need to concentrate on town centres,invest in them,breathe some life into them and give people a reason to visit them.
Actually it goes a bit further. This change of direction is all about getting the economy restarted, so that includes the change of position on face masks and the 2m rule to something substantially less. Boris might have also started to pay attention to the data and listen to the many scientists of the same opinion rather than the Chief Medical Officer.
 
anybody with half a brain knows this isnt about transmission its about retail customer confidence.Its going to have the opposite effect,just when people were beginning to venture out they put another idea in the customers head that shops are not safe places to be.The idea this piece of cloth over your face is going to stop anything at all is laughable.

They need to concentrate on town centres,invest in them,breathe some life into them and give people a reason to visit them.

Starting of by saying "anyone with half a brain" suggests you are an expert.

Ironically it is the "experts" telling us it is about transmission. The fact you think a mask won't help reduce the chances of catching an airborne particle based virus is actually worrying. Even with evidence that countries with the lowest rates of COVID were the ones that masked up.

You've re-written science.

A couple of posters have said that wearing masks will have the opposite effect on shopping confidence. I wholeheartedly disagree. It certainly gives me peace of mind but should have happened at the end of March.
 
anybody with half a brain knows this isnt about transmission its about retail customer confidence.Its going to have the opposite effect,just when people were beginning to venture out they put another idea in the customers head that shops are not safe places to be.The idea this piece of cloth over your face is going to stop anything at all is laughable.

They need to concentrate on town centres,invest in them,breathe some life into them and give people a reason to visit them.

Can we not breathe some life into town centres through a mask then?

I really don't understand why some of you think being asked to wear a mask is an affront to your democratic rights. I have my doubts about how effective they really are, but I understand that if you want more people to be economically active, then that is likely to be accompanied by things like this. If you are wearing the damned things on public transport anyway, what hardship is it to wear them for a few minutes while you are in a shop as well?
 
My experience over the last three weeks in the shop is that people are getting more and more confident about going shopping, in the last week they have switched from just getting what they need to browsing. Very few complaints about having to wear, very high percentage compliance, what's not to love. To add, although staff are not required to wear them, all in our shop are, by their own choice.
 

This was uploaded four hours ago,one of the most senior epidemiologists in mask research and trials Tom Jefferson alongside another epidemiologist Professor Carl Heneghan.
 

This was uploaded four hours ago,one of the most senior epidemiologists in mask research and trials Tom Jefferson alongside another epidemiologist Professor Carl Heneghan.
“.... No evidence... aside from those exposed on the front line - medical workers...”
Which is basically an admission that there is evidence to suggest masks have made a difference on the front line.
That’s because they use surgical, high protection PPE masks. That’s what should have been mass produced in this country, months ago. Instead we now have a randomised collection of low protection face coverings, that when it has all gone away, this pair in this video will likely comment there’s no evidence to suggest it made any difference. People making their own. Bloody kitchen towel filters. Baggy scarves with gaping holes. Low protection. Let that sink in. These are the sort of people informing government decisions & policy. The real question is why we chose to ignore multiple U.K. based companies ready and willing to mass produce high quality masks.
 
“.... No evidence... aside from those exposed on the front line - medical workers...”
Which is basically an admission that there is evidence to suggest masks have made a difference on the front line.
That’s because they use surgical, high protection PPE masks. That’s what should have been mass produced in this country, months ago. Instead we now have a randomised collection of low protection face coverings, that when it has all gone away, this pair in this video will likely comment there’s no evidence to suggest it made any difference. People making their own. Bloody kitchen towel filters. Baggy scarves with gaping holes. Low protection. Let that sink in. These are the sort of people informing government decisions & policy. The real question is why we chose to ignore multiple U.K. based companies ready and willing to mass produce high quality masks.

I also watched a chunk of this video and was shocked at the level of nonsense they were all talking. It was as if they were just talking lots of words in order to protect their huge salaries without actually saying anything.

There is evidence relating to masks and COVID in the form of infection rates in nations that have used them from the off being massively lower than those that haven't.
 
This is a randomized clinical trial


"Question
Is the use of N95 respirators or medical masks more effective in preventing influenza infection among outpatient health care personnel in close contact with patients with suspected respiratory illness?"

"
Findings In this pragmatic, cluster randomized clinical trial involving 2862 health care personnel, there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among health care personnel with the use of N95 respirators (8.2%) vs medical masks (7.2%).

Meaning As worn by health care personnel in this trial, use of N95 respirators, compared with medical masks, in the outpatient setting resulted in no significant difference in the rates of laboratory-confirmed influenza."
 
Back
Top