Maybe they should extend the early bird

Philbfctrois said:
I will be honest i haven't renewed my season tickets yet

I may do but equally i may not, looking at ST sales buying on the day won't be an issue

Last season was a bit of a chore at times and the football wasn't great under Critchley, maybe under Appleton it will be better

I do hope so

But i dont think i can commit week in week out travelling to Blackpool, its a shit commute and i haven’t seen enough from the board to suggest they share the same ambition as me

Get some players in, extend the early bird and we will see
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How do you see what season ticket sales are? I have no idea how they're doing.

As for this board not having the same ambition. Really?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes, I mean you’d always have a reason to extend or reduce prices.

As we’ve discussed before JJ, you’ve essentially got a one track mind on this where cheap cheap cheap is the answer.

Without putting too fine a point on it, you are obsessed with attendance numbers to the cost / detriment of other issues / problems that a football club / business has to balance and manage.

If I was being cynical I’d say that some of that is borne out of a sense of inferiority when it comes to the knobbers, who have more fans than us… It’s clearly something that troubles you and something that they have over you in your tit for tats debates with them.

My advice would be to accept BFC for what we are (and that’s a slightly smaller club than Knob End in fanbase terms at this point in time).

The rebuilding of our fanbase will take years and a lot more than chucking a few cheapo tickets or extended deadlines at people….

We’re on a journey and we have an owner who is willing to invest and to build the Club in the right way 👍
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No I don't, I wouldn't want the club to lose money unnecessarily and if done right you can make similar and find that balance. However I'd accept effectively an investment in the fans if that's what was done. Investing in growing the fans is only positive and im sure if we did it no one would be critical.

Using empty seats for eg has no effect on us, losing no money at all.

As for the nobbers what bfc fan wouldn't want to sell more or would want to let them try and pull ahead. Believe me I know exactly where we are and what we are, also a lot about the nobbers.....I've been championing reasonable prices long before their reduction, but as they are neighbours... of course we want to grow and not be left behind.

It doesn't trouble me at all, when all priced fairly evenly we had about the same fans, them able to draw a few more in for one off games seemingly, which you'd expect given years at the level and having a bigger stadium and some big games in cups etc, so they have had people in, casuals etc for years and built up from there.

This is exactly why we should be doing all we can too, so we can be the best we can be.

Some were saying price had minimal impact but it was obvious it's a big factor and proven now, as I argued, you can build positive marketing and fan momentum behind it.

It will take time to build but one aspect is getting people through the door, if that means for a game for cheap and if they enjoyed it, cheap can turn into paying fans.

I still have a problem with the catch 22 situation of the previous purchase thing, as if and when we get a big cup game and a chance to sellout the stadium, how do new fans get in on those biggest most attractive games?
 
JJpool said:
No I don't, I wouldn't want the club to lose money unnecessarily and if done right you can make similar and find that balance. However I'd accept effectively an investment in the fans if that's what was done. Investing in growing the fans is only positive and im sure if we did it no one would be critical.

Using empty seats for eg has no effect on us, losing no money at all.

As for the nobbers what bfc fan wouldn't want to sell more or would want to let them try and pull ahead. Believe me I know exactly where we are and what we are, also a lot about the nobbers.....I've been championing reasonable prices long before their reduction, but as they are neighbours... of course we want to grow and not be left behind.

It doesn't trouble me at all, when all priced fairly evenly we had about the same fans, them able to draw a few more in for one off games seemingly, which you'd expect given years at the level and having a bigger stadium and some big games in cups etc, so they have had people in, casuals etc for years and built up from there.

This is exactly why we should be doing all we can too, so we can be the best we can be.

Some were saying price had minimal impact but it was obvious it's a big factor and proven now, as I argued, you can build positive marketing and fan momentum behind it.

It will take time to build but one aspect is getting people through the door, if that means for a game for cheap and if they enjoyed it, cheap can turn into paying fans.

I still have a problem with the catch 22 situation of the previous purchase thing, as if and when we get a big cup game and a chance to sellout the stadium, how do new fans get in on those biggest most attractive games?
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SS and his board clearly have a strategy to build and develop the Club. I’d be very surprised if growing a stronger fanbase and increased revenue wasn’t a key factor.

Ultimately they’re in possession of all the facts and figures.

When setting a deadline, it’s as much (if not more) about the cut off reflecting the Clubs plans and revenue requirements as it is concerning yourself with a handful of people who might possibly struggle to meet an early bird deadline.

I can’t say I was enthralled by the appointment of Appleton, but what I do have confidence in is that the people making the decisions will be making them for the right reasons and with the objective of improving the Club….

I can tell you for a fact that the minutiae of whether we set a deadline at 30th June or 7th July isn’t going to make any difference whatsoever as far as number of ST’s sold is concerned though…
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
SS and his board clearly have a strategy to build and develop the Club. I’d be very surprised if growing a stronger fanbase and increased revenue wasn’t a key factor.

Ultimately they’re in possession of all the facts and figures.

When setting a deadline, it’s as much (if not more) about the dealing reflecting the Clubs plans and revenue requirements as it is concerning yourself with a handful of people who might possibly struggle to meet an early bird deadline.

I can’t say I was enthralled by the appointment of Appleton, but what I do have confidence in is that the people making the decisions will be making them for the right reasons and with the objective of improving the Club….

I can tell you for a fact that the minutiae of whether we set a deadline at 30th June or 7th July isn’t going to make any difference whatsoever as far as number of ST’s sold is concerned….
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It will be a big goal of theirs. Just don't see the harm in extending even if it only helps a few with an extra payday, especially given money is tighter than ever for many.

Just because they have the facts and stats doesn't always mean they call everything right or think of every scenario. There's always more to improve and the many heads on here can have some good ideas others haven't always thought of.

I have confidence in the ultimate goals just doesn't mean I don't spot some things that can be tried with almost no negative from doing so.

Again on the last point, if it guarantees including that payday and then giving time for people to buy im sure it would.

It probably wasn't done given the new website launch, but one thing I'd do next time is have the early bird start much earlier, especially if were having a good end of season, timing it can have an effect too, also giving people even longer to save up.

TBH if it were me I might say, ok let's put this to the test, no early bird as such, same prices all through.

The only deadlines to encourage people to buy earlier would be away priority higher for those who buy early maybe or something like that.

Then we could see what effect it had, as sales often fall off a cliff when prices go up, depending on the gap.
 
JJpool said:
It will be a big goal of theirs. Just don't see the harm in extending even if it only helps a few with an extra payday, especially given money is tighter than ever for many.

Just because they have the facts and stats doesn't always mean they call everything right or think of every scenario. There's always more to improve and the many heads on here can have some good ideas others haven't always thought of.

I have confidence in the ultimate goals just doesn't mean I don't spot some things that can be tried with almost no negative from doing so.

Again on the last point, if it guarantees including that payday and then giving time for people to buy im sure it would.

It probably wasn't done given the new website launch, but one thing I'd do next time is have the early bird start much earlier, especially if were having a good end of season, timing it can have an effect too, also giving people even longer to save up.

TBH if it were me I might say, ok let's put this to the test, no early bird as such, same prices all through.

The only deadlines to encourage people to buy earlier would be away priority higher for those who buy early maybe or something like that.

Then we could see what effect it had, as sales often fall off a cliff when prices go up, depending on the gap.
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You can’t see the harm or you’re choosing to ignore it?

Is it not obvious that saying one thing and doing another is going to be detrimental ?

Is it not obvious that the failure to adhere to deadlines will lead to a lack of respect for future deadlines?

The whole point of an early bird discount is to drive early revenue by a date that fits in with your business objectives…

No amount of circular argument from me is likely to to make it sink in though… So I’ll leave you to it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You can’t see the harm or you’re choosing to ignore it?

Is it not obvious that saying one thing and doing another is going to be detrimental ?

Is it not obvious that the failure to adhere to deadlines will lead to a lack of respect for future deadlines?

The whole point of an early bird discount is to drive early revenue by a date that fits in with your business objectives…

No amount of circular argument from me is likely to to make it sink in though… So I’ll leave you to it.
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I can't see the harm. It's obvious this has been a different summer and kind of special case. People aren't just going to get all conspiratorial next time. Didn’t harm Blackburn when they did it just recently.

You say that last bit, like anyone has ever changed your mind in an argument 🤣
 
JJpool said:
I can't see the harm. It's obvious this has been a different summer and kind of special case. People aren't just going to get all conspiratorial next time. Didn’t harm Blackburn when they did it just recently.

You say that last bit, like anyone has ever changed your mind in an argument 🤣
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Yes they have… frequently.. I consider it a strength not a weakness 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes they have… frequently.. I consider it a strength not a weakness 👍
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Absolutely, not seen much on here, usually arguing to the death.

As for this debate it's largely based on assumptions, may be sound reasoning for both but I'd only change my mind when presented with the facts, if we did it and it had no impact. Sometimes you have to try things.
 
poolseasider said:
Unless we spend millions on players get real it ain't happening.

Your utterly deluded where's the money coming from?
Or did you think when Simon Sadler took over he had squillions to spunk he's not even in the same league as the nobbers passed away owner.
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If he hasn't got the money surely he wouldn't have bought the club
 
Philbfctrois said:
If he hasn't got the money surely he wouldn't have bought the club
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He's got money but I'd be surprised if he richer than our previous owners who put stuff all in and took everything out.
So we either but the club into debt or carry on in this league with a smaller budget as unfortunately our attendances are tiny.
 
JJpool said:
Presume you mean wouldn't matter...

Personally I'd do all I can to get people in regardless and would have from the start. Thats my strategy, always has been.

But as for this season, had we had a normal summer, not had tech issues, priced it a bit better given the world outlook and set a deadline that didn't fall on the payday for many or before it for some (if we set it to Monday so it gives a bit more time) I'd be pretty fine with it ending.

Rovers extended theirs, I didnt see people calling them idiotic, seemed sensible because they had no manager and its a positive thing and can be marketed as such.
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This.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I will be honest i haven't renewed my season tickets yet

I may do but equally i may not, looking at ST sales buying on the day won't be an issue

Last season was a bit of a chore at times and the football wasn't great under Critchley, maybe under Appleton it will be better

I do hope so

But i dont think i can commit week in week out travelling to Blackpool, its a shit commute and i haven’t seen enough from the board to suggest they share the same ambition as me

Get some players in, extend the early bird and we will see
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No way is this a real post.

Football under Critch is the best we've seen since Holloway, what are you expecting?

If they extended it then it wouldn't exactly be an early bird ticket would it. You get the discount for purchasing early and having faith in the club.

Some of our fan base are as bad as AFTV
 
Come on Phil get the tickets bought. Spending time with the kids is all a bonus, including the travelling and you’ll always have a common interest. Not only that most of us enjoy the opinions and if you don’t go how can you comment? Mind you that doesn’t stop Bisons!
 
JJpool said:
Absolutely, not seen much on here, usually arguing to the death.

As for this debate it's largely based on assumptions, may be sound reasoning for both but I'd only change my mind when presented with the facts, if we did it and it had no impact. Sometimes you have to try things.
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Lol….

The facts are “A deadline has been set”

The facts are that you are choosing to ignore any or all potential negative consequences of extending the deadline and at the same time wildly over-exaggerate the potential benefits.

“Sound reasoning” doesn’t come into the equation. It’s just imbalanced / biased thinking. The cart leading the horse…You’ve started with the answer you desire and then select the evidence that suits.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Lol….

The facts are “A deadline has been set”

The facts are that you are choosing to ignore any or all potential negative consequences of extending the deadline and at the same time wildly over-exaggerate the potential benefits.

“Sound reasoning” doesn’t come into the equation. It’s just imbalanced / biased thinking. The cart leading the horse…You’ve started with the answer you desire and then select the evidence that suits.
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To be honest though this pre season has been a bit of a nightmare

Online site is shite after the change so its not exactly easy to renew and then factor in the manager walking out and the Rosenior saga and its no wonder folk can't be arsed

All that said having a season ticket isn't as important as people make out, all it does is guarantee you the same seat for every game

Anyway if i can be arsed phoning up today i will probably renew for nothing more than convenience
 
Philbfctrois said:
To be honest though this pre season has been a bit of a nightmare

Online site is shite after the change so its not exactly easy to renew and then factor in the manager walking out and the Rosenior saga and its no wonder folk can't be arsed

All that said having a season ticket isn't as important as people make out, all it does is guarantee you the same seat for every game

Anyway if i can be arsed phoning up today i will probably renew for nothing more than convenience
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It's important to the club though?
 
Philbfctrois said:
To be honest though this pre season has been a bit of a nightmare

Online site is shite after the change so its not exactly easy to renew and then factor in the manager walking out and the Rosenior saga and its no wonder folk can't be arsed

All that said having a season ticket isn't as important as people make out, all it does is guarantee you the same seat for every game

Anyway if i can be arsed phoning up today i will probably renew for nothing more than convenience
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I don’t know whether folk can or can’t be arsed as I’ve got no insight into sales. It took me all of 60 seconds to sort my ticket out after the initial website issues got sorted.

What I do know is that if the level of apathy that you describe actually exists among our fanbase, then deadline extensions isn’t going to solve the issue.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Lol….

The facts are “A deadline has been set”

The facts are that you are choosing to ignore any or all potential negative consequences of extending the deadline and at the same time wildly over-exaggerate the potential benefits.

“Sound reasoning” doesn’t come into the equation. It’s just imbalanced / biased thinking. The cart leading the horse…You’ve started with the answer you desire and then select the evidence that suits.
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What negative consequences? You're making extending a deadline sound like a massive thing, it's not, happens a lot and given an unusual summer I'm sure people would understand.

People arent as thick as you seem to be making out, in that thinking 1 extension now applies to everything always.
 
JJpool said:
What negative consequences? You're making extending a deadline sound like a massive thing, it's not, happens a lot and given an unusual summer I'm sure people would understand.

People arent as thick as you seem to be making out, in that thinking 1 extension now applies to everything always.
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See what I mean…

I could just as easily say “What positive consequences”

I’m not suggesting people are thick, though you’re doing an excellent job of persuading me otherwise. I’ve highlighted a number of potential negative consequences already and there may well be others.

For starters, the Club has clearly set it’s pricing strategy with a specific deadline in mind.

I’ve not attributed any particular weight to the negatives, I’ve simply highlighted that they exist. By contrast you choose to pretend that there are none and simply ignore any consequences, because it suits you.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
See what I mean…

I could just as easily say “What positive consequences”

I’m not suggesting people are thick, though you’re doing an excellent job of persuading me otherwise. I’ve highlighted a number of potential negative consequences already and there may well be others.

For starters, the Club has clearly set it’s pricing strategy with a specific deadline in mind.

I’ve not attributed any particular weight to the negatives, I’ve simply highlighted that they exist. By contrast you choose to pretend that there are none and simply ignore any consequences, because it suits you.
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I don't see an extension as a big negative, ok you've gone against what you said. It's pretty understandable why they might given the issues, its stupid to do nothing ans stick to it as things aren't fixed.

If you can’t see any positives then you're doing a job persuading otherwise.

Oh, as for the tech issues you say were 'short lived'......see this post.

Have seen similar complaints on twitter, FB etc too.

From other thread, posted today.

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Can't log into this just like the other website they've got🤦‍♂️
Keep trying to reset password (even though it's the one I've always used and now cant) no verification code sent to email address inbox or spam so I've given up.
Going up McCaigs tower now
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If people can't log in they can't renew online.
No exactly ideal is it, to have some experiencing difficulties STILL, so if they get paid on the day and it's playing up, clearly a bit of extra time is helpful mitigate that, as people would have to ring up or make plans to go down to the ticket office if they can.

I don't get how some cant see this is the time you would actually extend a deadline.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t know whether folk can or can’t be arsed as I’ve got no insight into sales. It took me all of 60 seconds to sort my ticket out after the initial website issues got sorted.

What I do know is that if the level of apathy that you describe actually exists among our fanbase, then deadline extensions isn’t going to solve the issue.
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Is that the all right Jack attitude again pal

I'm guessing you just bought your own and didn’t have to faff with different client ids and log ins for several tickets
 
Athers said:
Where do you have to commute from, Phil?

Not a huge fan of 3 hours on the train and 3 hours back from Rotherham but what else will I do on a Saturday afternoon? Last few weeks been painful
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About the same journey as you but from West with a really poor rail service

I live in North Wales btw
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t know whether folk can or can’t be arsed as I’ve got no insight into sales. It took me all of 60 seconds to sort my ticket out after the initial website issues got sorted.

What I do know is that if the level of apathy that you describe actually exists among our fanbase, then deadline extensions isn’t going to solve the issue.
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Well the whole row in front of me and behind me haven't renewed yet

Maybe there is a reason for that though 🤔
 
JJpool said:
I can't see the harm. It's obvious this has been a different summer and kind of special case. People aren't just going to get all conspiratorial next time. Didn’t harm Blackburn when they did it just recently.

You say that last bit, like anyone has ever changed your mind in an argument 🤣
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Bang on ...
 
KingZobo said:
No way is this a real post.

Football under Critch is the best we've seen since Holloway, what are you expecting?

If they extended it then it wouldn't exactly be an early bird ticket would it. You get the discount for purchasing early and having faith in the club.

Some of our fan base are as bad as AFTV
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You lost me with the Critchley comment

Our football was as dull as dishwater and no better than what we had with Grayson

Just swap Madine for Gnandulliet
 
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Philbfctrois said:
Is that the all right Jack attitude again pal

I'm guessing you just bought your own and didn’t have to faff with different client ids and log ins for several tickets
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I suppose it is an alright Jack attitude really yes. I’m pretty sure I’d have managed to sort tickets out whether I was buying for me or buying for me plus my family too though tbh.

Philbfctrois said:
Well the whole row in front of me and behind me haven't renewed yet

Maybe there is a reason for that though 🤔
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Well there is undoubtedly a reason for it. My lad hasn’t renewed either, but it’s got fuck all to do with the early bird discount deadline or a minor software issue….

Reading this thread I honestly wonder whether half of you are safe to leave the house without someone accompanying you to wipe your collective backsides.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suppose it is an alright Jack attitude really yes. I’m pretty sure I’d have managed to sort tickets out whether I was buying for me or buying for me plus my family too though tbh.



Well there is undoubtedly a reason for it. My lad hasn’t renewed either, but it’s got fuck all to do with the early bird discount deadline or a minor software issue….

Reading this thread I honestly wonder whether half of you are safe to leave the house without someone accompanying you to wipe your collective backsides.
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Minor software issue?

Thousands of people struggling to renew on line is hardly minor

Anyway happy days managed to do it the old fashion way and actually speak to someone on the phone to renew

Nice that i have a full row of empty seats behind me and infront of me as well

I'm all right Jack indeed .......
 
Another from FB, from a post about a day ago about the app.

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First comment on this post also, todays ST renewal reminder.

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So maybe the I'm alright Jack crowd should listen to the fans it's affecting. Yes if it was us maybe we'd just get it done but not all fans are like that.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Minor software issue?

Thousands of people struggling to renew on line is hardly minor

Anyway happy days managed to do it the old fashion way and actually speak to someone on the phone to renew

Nice that i have a full row of empty seats behind me and infront of me as well

I'm all right Jack indeed .......
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If thousands of people are struggling to renew then fair enough Phil…. Clearly I’m out of touch with the scale of the problem…

I had a few initial glitches and the problem seemed to resolve itself. If it hadn’t I’d have just phoned the ticket office and done it that way, but I realise that some people might need spoon feeding.

Ultimately it’s up to the Club to sort out ticket sales … it’s not my job and I’m not really arsed whether they sell 1000 or 10,000 to be honest.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
If thousands of people are struggling to renew then fair enough Phil…. Clearly I’m out of touch with the scale of the problem…

I had a few initial glitches and the problem seemed to resolve itself. If it hadn’t I’d have just phoned the ticket office and done it that way, but I realise that some people might need spoon feeding.

Ultimately it’s up to the Club to sort out ticket sales … it’s not my job and I’m not really arsed whether they sell 1000 or 10,000 to be honest.
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I think that's part of the problem then mate when debating on message boards

Some of us want the club to be the best it can be and want the club to increase its core support

Some others like your goodself just want a few beers and something to do on a Saturday afternoon

Nothing wrong with that, but maybe explains the reluctance to change your somewhat stubborn stance
 
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Philbfctrois said:
I think that's part of the problem then mate when debating on message boards

Some of us want the club to be the best it can be and want the club to increase its core support

Some others like your goodself just want a few beers and something to do on a Saturday afternoon

Nothing wrong with that, but maybe explains the reluctance to change your somewhat stubborn stance
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I want it to be the best it can be too, but I’m also very comfortable that SS does too.

So I don’t feel the need to really get too hung up about minor details.

If the Club doesn’t sell enough tickets, then they’ll do something about it… it’s really that simple.

And I don’t have a stance really….
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I want it to be the best it can be too, but I’m also very comfortable that SS does too.

So I don’t feel the need to really get too hung up about minor details.

If the Club doesn’t sell enough tickets, then they’ll do something about it… it’s really that simple.

And I don’t have a stance really….
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With attitudes like that it's no wonder the Oystons got away with things for so long
 
Philbfctrois said:
Some of us want the club to be the best it can be and want the club to increase its core support
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You were unsure whether you were going to renew or not a day or so ago, and made a massive song and dance about it.

Someone who wants the club to be the best it can be and want the club to increase its core support surely wouldn’t have even been considering not renewing?
 
Philbfctrois said:
With attitudes like that it's no wonder the Oystons got away with things for so long
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To be honest and having reflected on it… I think we were probably a bit harsh on the Oystons really.

Though yes I can’t say I was ever a self-appointed Policeman of the Oystons, like you are with Sadler… I couldn’t be arsed… rather just get pissed 👍
 
Philbfctrois said:
I've renewed although I'm not sure me having a season ticket is even relevant
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Without question, not having a ST and going every week makes you a bigger fan because you're putting more money in over the season.

Even buying a ST after the EBD has passed increases your fan rating above those early renewers who deny the club the extra £30, or a paultry £1.30 per game 😉
 
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