Michael Gove requests a 2 year delay on further food restrictions

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BigHandsOliverKahn

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How can he have the gall to turn our trading partners into competitors and then think they will help him out of his own mess?

What on earth were people like him ever thinking of? It's his Brexit. He supported the whole stupid, self-inflicited idea so now go and deal with the consequences Gove.

Desperate
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
How can he have the gall to turn our trading partners into competitors and then think they will help him out of his own mess?

What on earth were people like him ever thinking of? It's his Brexit. He supported the whole stupid, self-inflicited idea so now go and deal with the consequences Gove.

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Why don't you go back to your undying love and support of the Oystons? I'm beginning to think even that was better than the incessant negativity that comes out of your mouth.
On a lighter note, I'm glad to see you've nearly made it through to the end of another day despite carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders. You're such a happy soul.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Why don't you go back to your undying love and support of the Oystons? I'm beginning to think even that was better than the incessant negativity that comes out of your mouth.
On a lighter note, I'm glad to see you've nearly made it through to the end of another day despite carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders. You're such a happy soul.
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Rather than accept any semblance of reality, the deflection game is the preferred brexiteer modus operandi. Project fear is now project negativity.
 
Anyone with half a brain can see that the fragile peace in Ireland has been fractured by the UK/EU trade agreement. Introducing customs checks in Irish ports is going to result in one thing, violence. The EU has made it clear that despite four years of insisting that peace on the Island of Ireland is its main concern and was not negotiable, the truth is that means nothing. The Commission was happy to sacrifice peace merely to stop the UK having some extra vaccines. Let's face it, only the UK and the Republic are concerned about peace in Ireland. If the EU was half as bothered as they make out, they would be looking for ways to avoid the inevitable violence there.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Why don't you go back to your undying love and support of the Oystons? I'm beginning to think even that was better than the incessant negativity that comes out of your mouth.
On a lighter note, I'm glad to see you've nearly made it through to the end of another day despite carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders. You're such a happy soul.
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Humm.....beginning to think he has a point Rusty?
 
Tangojoe said:
Anyone with half a brain can see that the fragile peace in Ireland has been fractured by the UK/EU trade agreement. Introducing customs checks in Irish ports is going to result in one thing, violence. The EU has made it clear that despite four years of insisting that peace on the Island of Ireland is its main concern and was not negotiable, the truth is that means nothing. The Commission was happy to sacrifice peace merely to stop the UK having some extra vaccines. Let's face it, only the UK and the Republic are concerned about peace in Ireland. If the EU was half as bothered as they make out, they would be looking for ways to avoid the inevitable violence there.
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Tango, if it goes anywhere near looking like a resurrection of the troubles in Ireland, the EU leaders will step on the Commission big time. Foreign policy is not the Commission's call.
 
The deal Johnson signed was the deal he is going to have to work with.

Van der Leyden made an error, took back her words within hours and humbly apologised.

That she made an error and then rectified it doesn’t give Johnson or Gove the ability to rewrite the deal.

They were happy to sell Northern Ireland down the river, now they have to own that decision.
 
hampshire_exile said:
They were happy to sell Northern Ireland down the river, now they have to own that decision.
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"Own it" 🤡

1966_and_all_that said:
Tango, if it goes anywhere near looking like a resurrection of the troubles in Ireland, the EU leaders will step on the Commission big time. Foreign policy is not the Commission's call.
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I hope you're right 66 but somehow I can't see Macron and others going out of their way to avoid troubles in Ireland if it means having to adjust the trade agreement.
 
Shandypants said:
Rather than accept any semblance of reality, the deflection game is the preferred brexiteer modus operandi. Project fear is now project negativity.
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Evening shandy
I’ve set out my reasons for voting leave on this forum on numerous occasions. Those reasons still hold strong and if anything have been reinforced by some of the recent events. That’s the reality I’m looking at
I thought long and hard about which way to vote and it wasn’t an easy decision
If there were another referendum tomorrow I’d vote leave with even more conviction than I did the first time
 
Tangojoe said:
Anyone with half a brain can see that the fragile peace in Ireland has been fractured by the UK/EU trade agreement. Introducing customs checks in Irish ports is going to result in one thing, violence. The EU has made it clear that despite four years of insisting that peace on the Island of Ireland is its main concern and was not negotiable, the truth is that means nothing. The Commission was happy to sacrifice peace merely to stop the UK having some extra vaccines. Let's face it, only the UK and the Republic are concerned about peace in Ireland. If the EU was half as bothered as they make out, they would be looking for ways to avoid the inevitable violence there.
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We had peace in Ireland thanks to the EU placing us under the same common economic blanket. We could have left the EU but still remained in the Single Market to keep peace in Ireland but the likes of Gove and his extremist Brexiteers crew decided unfathomably to do away with that opportunity and now are wondering why violence is back in people's minds and trying to blame the one party that previously gave that island some peace.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Why don't you go back to your undying love and support of the Oystons? I'm beginning to think even that was better than the incessant negativity that comes out of your mouth.
On a lighter note, I'm glad to see you've nearly made it through to the end of another day despite carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders. You're such a happy soul.
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Why the f don't you reply to the op rather than ignore it completely.
 
fcblackpool said:
Why the f don't you reply to the op rather than ignore it completely.
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Because it's pointless even trying to debate or reply to such negativity. Much like a fair few other whinging, moaning doom and gloomers on here.
Plus the Prince of Darkness never ever replies. It's him that ignores, not me. If you read my post above I've given my reasons for leaving the EU and I'm prepared to debate that with you or anyone else if you wish to.
I'm just not prepared to put up with the constant negativity from someone who never replies and won't debate anyway.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
We had peace in Ireland thanks to the EU placing us under the same common economic blanket. We could have left the EU but still remained in the Single Market to keep peace in Ireland but the likes of Gove and his extremist Brexiteers crew decided unfathomably to do away with that opportunity and now are wondering why violence is back in people's minds and trying to blame the one party that previously gave that island some peace.
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But the EU aren't responsible for the peace in Ireland. What gives you that idea?
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
But the EU aren't responsible for the peace in Ireland. What gives you that idea?
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It’s like wrestling with a pig in mud when talking to BHOK over Brexit you end up coming away smelling like shit and wondering what the hell you’ve been arguing about for the last hour. 😂
And no I’am not joining the debate I’ve had enough for one day I’am sure BHOK will be back with something new to moan about tomorrow.
Even the Cat takes a break every now and then. 😮
 
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BigHandsOliverKahn said:
We had peace in Ireland thanks to the EU placing us under the same common economic blanket. We could have left the EU but still remained in the Single Market to keep peace in Ireland but the likes of Gove and his extremist Brexiteers crew decided unfathomably to do away with that opportunity and now are wondering why violence is back in people's minds and trying to blame the one party that previously gave that island some peace.
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We had peace in Ireland thanks to the hard work of the Unionists, the Republicans and politicians on all sides. The EU had nothing to do with it. Their only interest was to use the Irish border as a lever to threaten the UK and to extract concessions from the UK. The EU has no interest whatsoever in Northern Ireland, other than to stop the leakage of goods in and out of the EU.
 
Tangojoe said:
We had peace in Ireland thanks to the hard work of the Unionists, the Republicans and politicians on all sides. The EU had nothing to do with it. Their only interest was to use the Irish border as a lever to threaten the UK and to extract concessions from the UK. The EU has no interest whatsoever in Northern Ireland, other than to stop the leakage of goods in and out of the EU.
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You can't be remotely serious to think peace was ever possible without both parts of Ireland being in the EU.

If you are serious, then it explains a lot so no wonder we have got Ireland back into this mess.

I know a lot of people down South don't know much about Northern Ireland but I have found people in the North West are generally a lot more familiar with its history so am a bit astounded someone on a Blackpool message board could be so naive.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
You can't be remotely serious to think peace was ever possible without both parts of Ireland being in the EU.

If you are serious, then it explains a lot so no wonder we have got Ireland back into this mess.

I know a lot of people down South don't know much about Northern Ireland but I have found people in the North West are generally a lot more familiar with its history so am a bit astounded someone on a Blackpool message board could be so naive.
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The EU had fcuk all to do with peace process. Of course peace could have been achieved without both sides being in the EU
Your precious EU showed complete disdain for the island of Ireland in the recent vaccine export fiasco. The EU’s true colours were there for all to see
And how you can accuse anyone of being naive is beyond belief
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
So you're saying as well that the EU are responsible for the peace in Ireland?
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the changes wrought by Brexit are damaging the chances of peace, as everyone is saying apart from you.

The EU and us want that peace to remain, obviously. The introduction of a border means a ramping up of tension.
 
Wizaard said:
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the changes wrought by Brexit are damaging the chances of peace, as everyone is saying apart from you.

The EU and us want that peace to remain, obviously. The introduction of a border means a ramping up of tension.
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That’s fair enough. But a border shouldn’t actually be the cause of violence erupting again. It’s people who will cause violence. And it’s probably people who never wanted peace in the first place and will just see the border as a convenient excuse
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
That’s fair enough. But a border shouldn’t actually be the cause of violence erupting again. It’s people who will cause violence. And it’s probably people who never wanted peace in the first place and will just see the border as a convenient excuse
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The introduction of a border and customs checks between ourselves and NI reduces the chances of some to transport 'dodgy' goods, and it's those goods that financed the paramilitaries on both sides. It's that loss of income that has racked up the tension.

IMO.
 
Wizaard said:
The introduction of a border and customs checks between ourselves and NI reduces the chances of some to transport 'dodgy' goods, and it's those goods that financed the paramilitaries on both sides. It's that loss of income that has racked up the tension.

IMO.
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Yes I understand your point of view. But it’s still people who will cause a return to violence. If they want peace badly enough they’ll maintain it. But if they want a return to violence they’ll do that. Border or no border.
I actually think a referendum on a United Ireland would be interesting to be honest. Current polls make the percentages very close.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Yes I understand your point of view. But it’s still people who will cause a return to violence. If they want peace badly enough they’ll maintain it. But if they want a return to violence they’ll do that. Border or no border.
I actually think a referendum on a United Ireland would be interesting to be honest. Current polls make the percentages very close.
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Not true Rusty. There's been 22 years of peace in Northern Ireland. The IRA decommissioned their guns and the troubles stopped. Of course there are peripheral groups like the Real IRA but they are small time gangsters and hoodlums. Sinn Fein is a political party looking, now, for a political solution.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not true Rusty. There's been 22 years of peace in Northern Ireland. The IRA decommissioned their guns and the troubles stopped. Of course there are peripheral groups like the Real IRA but they are small time gangsters and hoodlums. Sinn Fein is a political party looking, now, for a political solution.
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So are you saying it’s not people who maintain the peace or start violence? Those peripheral groups you talk about probably never wanted peace in the first place and would probably be delighted to start the violence again
Let’s not forget the violence wasn’t just about politics and the wishes for a united ireland or staying part of the union. The violence was also a very good cover for some quite serious organised crime
The IRA for example weren’t just a bunch of freedom fighters and terrorists. They were also involved in some serious crime and money making. As were the unionist side
 
Wizaard said:
The introduction of a border and customs checks between ourselves and NI reduces the chances of some to transport 'dodgy' goods, and it's those goods that financed the paramilitaries on both sides. It's that loss of income that has racked up the tension.

IMO.
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dodgy goods, my front door is open 🍊😛⚽️👍
 
I'm Irish and worked in UK Customs Policy so I think I have a pretty good grasp of the problems from both sides. My opinion is

1. The EU didn't influence peace in NI and imo has shown little real interest in the welfare of the province other than as a bargaining tool
2. The peace in NI is very fragile and anyone who spends time there will recognise that there is an undercurrent of bad feeling
3. The trade agreement was intended to provide a solution, but it's not working and needs to be revisited
4. The EU made a dreadful mistake in triggering art. 16 provoking widespread concern and it can't just brush over matters with a U-turn
5. Threats to border officials might be bluff or might be serious. The UK doesn't want to risk violence or escalation of the threats
6. Cross-border trade teething problems are gradually settling down, but are still far from smooth
7. There has to be some kind of checks between GB and Eire but the agreement has to be seen to be relatively unobtrusive
8. The EU needs to get off its high horse firstly to allow a temporary extension to the current transitional arrangements, subject to rules and secondly to agree a basis for common standards, especially a mutual veterinary agreement similar to those the EU has with other third countries to promote trade and reduce checks on livestock and meat. There is absolutely no reason for the EU to not accept the UK's high food standards.
9 Downside - Some border checks have to be made. Otherwise the border will be an open door not just for the traditional movement of rebated oil (red diesel) but for people, drugs, firearms and other contraband.
10. Mr Sefcovic said: "The protocol is the solution agreed by the UK and the EU to these challenges: it is the only way to protect the Good Friday Agreement, preserving peace and stability and avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland". Wrong attitude to be entering talks with
11. Looked at logically, it should be the EU and not the UK that controls the EU's border. That would involve customs and security checks on the Republic's side of the border. The extent of the EU's border control would then be at its discretion.
 
November 2020

EU to Johnson/Gove - “Do you want to extend the transition period so we can negotiate a deal that works?”

Johnson/Gove to EU - “No!!Never!! Brexit means Brexit!!”

AVFTT Brexiters - “Hurrah!!! Bastard EU”.

February 2021

Johnson/Gove - “We demand you extend the transition period so we can negotiate to ensure the deal works properly!!”

AVFTT Brexiters - “Hurrah!! Bastard EU”.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
So are you saying it’s not people who maintain the peace or start violence? Those peripheral groups you talk about probably never wanted peace in the first place and would probably be delighted to start the violence again
Let’s not forget the violence wasn’t just about politics and the wishes for a united ireland or staying part of the union. The violence was also a very good cover for some quite serious organised crime
The IRA for example weren’t just a bunch of freedom fighters and terrorists. They were also involved in some serious crime and money making. As were the unionist side
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Yes, true and I don't think we disagree about that. Without the political organisation and public support that went with it however it lacks any sense of 'just cause' and remains a criminal activity to be policed accordingly.
 
TTJ offers a well thought out structured overview of events in NI and Mexboro makes a pompous, childlike, pathetic comment.

As BHOK would say, it explains a lot.
 
Tangojoe said:
TTJ offers a well thought out structured overview of events in NI and Mexboro makes a pompous, childlike, pathetic comment.

As BHOK would say, it explains a lot.
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Is that Tommy the Brexiter who has so much faith in Brexit that he applied for an Irish passport?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
November 2020

EU to Johnson/Gove - “Do you want to extend the transition period so we can negotiate a deal that works?”

Johnson/Gove to EU - “No!!Never!! Brexit means Brexit!!”

AVFTT Brexiters - “Hurrah!!! Bastard EU”.

February 2021

Johnson/Gove - “We demand you extend the transition period so we can negotiate to ensure the deal works properly!!”

AVFTT Brexiters - “Hurrah!! Bastard EU”.
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Brexit and you f*%#ed it up, Brexit and you
 
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