BFC_BFC_BFC
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They've inherited all of the shyte from your generation (most probably the most selfish generation in human history - and still trying to force everyone else to pander to your ever growing list of 'needs')
My Trip to The Supermarket just an observation.
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Mexboroseasider
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I suppose what I’m saying is that you’re asking the kids to do something for you - wear masks: socially distance etc.
I’m asking you - what have you done that entitles you to ask for that?
And don’t give me - I’ve raised X kids blah, blah, blah. That’s the role of a parent and what you signed up to when you inseminated your partner.
So social contract and all that. What have we (Your and my generation) done for the kids that entitles us to make demands on them? To sacrifice their futures for our now?
Genuinely curious.
Mexboroseasider
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Can you catch Dhobi itch on the face? I suspect you can. Eughhhhhh!!!
bleach51
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I’d rather accept and trust the advice of people who work in this area of science.No ,it maybe not be prefect but until there is a proven alternative maybe it makes sense to abide by the recommendation.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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That’s fine, but like I say, it’s not really that relevant to what I was saying.
I also choose to wear a mask in line with the Government regulations.
None of that makes that article scientific proof that public use of masks reduces virus transmission.
bleach51
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Actually just so you know we don’t have kids but I have family and friends who do.One of my nieces works for Public Health England and has to deal with this issue constantly.
Why out of curiosity should the young especially those entering University or work for the first time think they should be exempt from obeying the advice we are being given.
bleach51
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That’s some generalisation ...and to be honest a pathetic comment.Nobody in the right mind would be in denial that these are difficult and quite frankly almost unheard of times we,young and old,are having to deal with and we are a long way yet from finding a solution.I may not like the restrictions that we are being placed under( I live in the Greater Manchester area and we have had stronger ones put in place than some other places) but I try my utmost to respect and follow them because quite frankly I am in no position to offer a fact based alternative.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Ah, you see!!
Sweeping generalisations are all too easy aren’t they and especially hurtful, when you are the subject.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I can think of quite a few very valid reasons why the younger generation should be exempt from many of the regulations currently being imposed.
It’s likely that the younger generation will be disproportionately affected by the measures that have been implemented for a start off.
bleach51
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Everyone has been affected by the measures put in place, not just the “so called” young.For goodness sake this isn’t about different generations.I just hope that we, as a country and in fact the world as a whole, learn from this, though sadly I am not holding my breath as I fear the world today has become so divisive....even on a simple thing like a football message board( and yes maybe a guilty party too☹).
Anyway somehow we won the cricket ...so I can at least enjoy that moment...and no I don’t have Sky...just the commentary on the BBC.
Tangerinenick
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Lot of young people think its project fear
poolseasider
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No 1 place for transmitting the disease-Our Homes
No 2 people going from house to house
So WTF has shutting down the places they frequent had on disease nothing.
No 2 people going from house to house
So WTF has shutting down the places they frequent had on disease nothing.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Actually it is, very much, about different generations. For starters, the virus itself has radically different affects depending upon your age.
Then if you look at measures like lockdown, they are a very minor inconvenience for the older people and obviously they are much more seriously affected. So it’s a no brainer for older people to follow government rules.
For young people, lockdown has had a huge affect on their education and development as well as their future prospects. Unlike your generation and mind to a lesser extent, these youngsters faced an uphill battle to own their own homes before Covid (mainly due to house price hikes that your generation has prospered from). The impact of Covid on their health is negligible, but the price they pay for lockdown, including the long term economic impacts are massive.
Thing is, they’ve largely acted responsibly and now, after the Government has actively encouraged them to get out and about, they’re suddenly getting the finger of blame pointed in their direction... another scapegoat for Government incompetence !!
So it is divisive and wrong, on so many levels and it’s no wonder the kids aren’t standing for the bullshit.
bleach51
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Macseasider
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Face shields! What is that all about? Would you not just be spraying your droplets downwards into the airspace? Other than that they look totally ridiculous.
Recidivist3
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Can’t agree Mac. I wore mine to Tesco today. Killed four pensioners and a Preston fan.
bleach51
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BFC x3 Oh apologies for having the gall to work hard,save,do without things for many years in order to eventually own our mortgage free home but along the way suffer redundancy and plenty of other worries regarding the future.
Mind you if either me or my wife have to move into a care home it won’t be long before that will have to go to pay for our upkeep as the state won’t in our case ( because of the fact we own our home) until most ( including the house) of it has all gone.That will perhaps bring a smile to your face.
My point...the vast majority of us will have issues to endure over our lifetime ....not just the young( and no I don’t have a problem with them)....but you seem to have one regarding my so called generation.
Anyway a long time ago I promised I would avoid getting into this sort of discussion or even argument as it brings the worst out of many of us so that’s my final response on the matter...after all the football season has started and this is supposedly a football related site.
Mind you if either me or my wife have to move into a care home it won’t be long before that will have to go to pay for our upkeep as the state won’t in our case ( because of the fact we own our home) until most ( including the house) of it has all gone.That will perhaps bring a smile to your face.
My point...the vast majority of us will have issues to endure over our lifetime ....not just the young( and no I don’t have a problem with them)....but you seem to have one regarding my so called generation.
Anyway a long time ago I promised I would avoid getting into this sort of discussion or even argument as it brings the worst out of many of us so that’s my final response on the matter...after all the football season has started and this is supposedly a football related site.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I’m not criticising you for working hard, just drawing your attention to the fact that your generation has been extremely fortunate (on the whole) and the prospects for today’s younger generation isn’t quite so rosy.
You’ve been very fortunate to grow up in the post war era and over a lifetime have had it pretty damned good, when compared to the previous generations and some subsequent ones.
It doesn’t bring a smile to my face that you will end up paying for your own future care at all, though in fairness, that’s yet another kick in the teeth for the next generation, rather than yours as they won’t even benefit from inherited wealth.
I don’t have a problem with your generation by the way. I’m just saying things how they are....
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EagleDay
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Observing the behaviour and responses of certain groups, I think that is blatantly obvious, deary, mmmmm.Late on friday evening i went to the supermarket for my weekly shop .
As said It was late so maybe only 15-20 people in the store at most.
Majority were wearing masks & socially distancing
The 5 were in 2 groups male & females & were all between the ages of 15 & 25.
I have also observed that we now have 'young people' bleating on TV about feeling victimised that the current Covid spike is being attributed to them.
Do we live in a society that is more concerned with hurting peoples feelings than dealing with issues & saving lives?
EagleDay
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It always makes me chuckle that, yes, my generation had a few good years during the '50's and '60's. But where were we when the subsequent generations have been having a hard time? On a different planet? a different time zone? Many of my generation lost their homes, their jobs and their savings during those same hard times your generation think you so uniquely experienced.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Which ‘hard times’?
EagleDay
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Don't bite, Bleach.
EagleDay
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Cobblers, BFC.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Cobblers, BFC.
Just looking at a simple factor like housing...
The average U.K. house price in 1970’s were around 4 times a basic manual workers wage. Many people from that generation own multiple properties.
In 2020 house prices are more like 10 times. The young kids today simply cannot get on the housing ladder.
Woolly Mammoth
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Boomers, on the whole, enjoyed free higher education, jobs for life, good salaries with inflationary rises, final salary pension schemes and houses that cost 2-3 times an average salary. They then sat back whilst free education was scrapped and employers scaled back on job security, pay and pensions on the assurance that they kept their privileges and then a lot of them bought up all the homes as investments whilst the government ensured insufficient new homes were built in order to ensure massive housing inflation.
The younger generation have been royally fucked over and I say that as someone who, not a boomer, has enjoyed a lot of the things I refer to and am incensed that our children cannot enjoy the same because it’s all been stolen from them whilst loads sat back, looked after themselves and now say they worked hard to get what they have.
The younger generation have been royally fucked over and I say that as someone who, not a boomer, has enjoyed a lot of the things I refer to and am incensed that our children cannot enjoy the same because it’s all been stolen from them whilst loads sat back, looked after themselves and now say they worked hard to get what they have.
Woolly Mammoth
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I bought my first property in London 20 years ago for 3x my then salary. It recently sold for 22x the current equivalent salary.
Mexboroseasider
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And another thing........!!!!
We’ve been encouraged to get the kids back to school; get back to university; get back to work and the office; get back into the shops, cafes, pubs and restaurants; Eat Out to Help Out (which we did enthusiastically) - and kick start the economy.
But now it’s uniquely the youngsters who are to blame for the upsurge in infections.
Hardly fair.
We’ve been encouraged to get the kids back to school; get back to university; get back to work and the office; get back into the shops, cafes, pubs and restaurants; Eat Out to Help Out (which we did enthusiastically) - and kick start the economy.
But now it’s uniquely the youngsters who are to blame for the upsurge in infections.
Hardly fair.
deary
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True but are you saying the Government should not have tried to get kids back to the School or University & just let them hang out to dry and allowed their education & future prospects to suffer?
Are you also saying the Gov should not have encouraged the 'kick starting' of the economy?
Surely this is more beneficial to youngsters!
Older people dont need it as they sat on massive nest eggs in mansions according to some.
I feel its 'Hardly Fair' that youngsters wont wear masks in supermarkets when we have a potentially deadly virus in our midst.
I think you will find that was actually the OP
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BFC_BFC_BFC
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True but its 'Hardly Fair' that youngsters wont wear masks in supermarkets which was actually the OP
It's 'Hardly Fair' that people are so sucked in by the Media and Government spin that they ignore the signifcant number of old and middle aged people who don't / won't wear masks and zoom in on the predetermined target.
I've just been to the shop this morning... Out of ten people of various ages, the only person who wasn't wearing a mask was a bloke in his 60's.
deary
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I have amended my Post.
Fair enough bifster I certainly dont want to target the young disproportionately.
Im just saying what i see, your experience may differ?
However most current evidence suggests younger people are the bigger transmitters of covid.
The guy in his 60s you mention likely had a medical condition.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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You don't want to target the young disporpoprtionately, but you've just given my 60 year old an assumptive free pass for a 'medical condition' , whilst not affording a young person the same consideration?
BTW the bloke looked perfectly healthly to me and I doubt very much that a couple of minutes wearing a mask would have caused him an issue.
Incidentally, I should mention that I went to my local Tesco convenience store last night and yet again, out of maybe 5 or 6 people, the only offender was a middle aged bloke 45-50 Age bracket.
EDIT: I'm off to B&Q shortly, so will feedback on further perpetrators
EDIT: I’m not sure we give a shit
Mexboroseasider
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No I’m not saying any of that. I’m saying don’t blame the kids for the upsurge in infections without any evidence other than “oooh I saw......” which proves bugger all.True but are you saying the Government should not have tried to get kids back to the School or University & just let them hang out to dry and allowed their education & future prospects to suffer?
Are you also saying the Gov should not have encouraged the 'kick starting' of the economy?
Surely this is more beneficial to youngsters!
Older people dont need it as they sat on massive nest eggs in mansions according to some.
I feel its 'Hardly Fair' that youngsters wont wear masks in supermarkets when we have a potentially deadly virus in our midst.
I think you will find that was actually the OP
And remember the wearing of masks is a fairly recent thing. For a long time it seems the Government didn’t think it was particularly relevant one way or the other.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I’m pleased to report that pretty much everyone in B&Q was rocking their masks, including a handful of twenty somethings.
Only three offenders, including two non mask wearers and one minor ‘yellow card’ infringement, the familiar ‘nose not included’ type.
As per the emerging theme, the two red card offenders were 40-50 year old males, who I suspect t thought they were to hard to get Covid.
Our yellow card offender was a 60+ bloke, who looked like his wife had dressed him.
Only three offenders, including two non mask wearers and one minor ‘yellow card’ infringement, the familiar ‘nose not included’ type.
As per the emerging theme, the two red card offenders were 40-50 year old males, who I suspect t thought they were to hard to get Covid.
Our yellow card offender was a 60+ bloke, who looked like his wife had dressed him.
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rockontommy
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For proper thrills and spills, pensioner discount Wednesday is the day to visit B&Q mask-less 
Otherwise known as Walking Dead WednesdayFor proper thrills and spills, pensioner discount Wednesday is the day to visit B&Q mask-less
deary
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deary
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No but i think its fair to say that it is far more likely than a 60+ year old person will likely have a medical condition as opposed to the 5 young people i saw maskless mentioned the O/P.
They looked super healthy but obviously not all disabilities are visible
Do you disagree?
They looked super healthy but obviously not all disabilities are visible
Do you disagree?
BFC_BFC_BFC
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It tends to be asthma that's the main issue, so I suppose it's not really age related. Like you (presumably) I didn't have my stethoscope on me to conduct a spot check and so I was relying on my powers of deduction. What I didn;t mention is that another bloke then kicked off with the shopkeeper after (non-mask wearing, possibly disabled or suffering from other excusable illness) 60 year old had left the premises. So a potential flashpoint was narrowly avoided. If moany bloke had been slightly braver, he might have tackled the bloke directly, instead of the poor lady behind the counter, and god onbly knows where that would have endedNo but i think its fair to say that it is far more likely than a 60+ year old person will likely have a medical condition as opposed to the 5 young people i saw maskless mentioned the O/P.
They looked super healthy but obviously not all disabilities are visible
Do you disagree?
Thanks...Good shopper surveillance though Bifster
Do you stand near the bloke selling double glazing with a clipboard?
My observational skills are almost hawk-like (I probably should have made a career for myself in MI5 on reflection). I once got the top score out of a class of 20 or so people at a Speed Awareness Course, having observed over 60 hazards, in the short observational video (I think the second best person managed to find 25 at most). Anyway, I managed to conduct this survey whilst on my way for a piece of guttering and some silicone sealant. I'd estimate I monitored somewhere in the region of 75-100 people in a short 10 minute B&Q suarez....Not bad TBH...Mexboroseasider
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Well we all need an interestIt tends to be asthma that's the main issue, so I suppose it's not really age related. Like you (presumably) I didn't have my stethoscope on me to conduct a spot check and so I was relying on my powers of deduction. What I didn;t mention is that another bloke then kicked off with the shopkeeper after (non-mask wearing, possibly disabled or suffering from other excusable illness) 60 year old had left the premises. So a potential flashpoint was narrowly avoided. If moany bloke had been slightly braver, he might have tackled the bloke directly, instead of the poor lady behind the counter, and god onbly knows where that would have ended
Thanks...
Definitely not MI5 more like MFIIt tends to be asthma that's the main issue, so I suppose it's not really age related. Like you (presumably) I didn't have my stethoscope on me to conduct a spot check and so I was relying on my powers of deduction. What I didn;t mention is that another bloke then kicked off with the shopkeeper after (non-mask wearing, possibly disabled or suffering from other excusable illness) 60 year old had left the premises. So a potential flashpoint was narrowly avoided. If moany bloke had been slightly braver, he might have tackled the bloke directly, instead of the poor lady behind the counter, and god onbly knows where that would have ended
Thanks...
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Just back from Morrison’s (A quick purchase of Cod Loins x 2, Celariac, Carrots, Leeks and other sundry items)
Not much to report really...
2 late 20’s / early 30’s, probable W1G1WWGA types, falling foul of the legal requirements.
1 80+ couple, who didn’t look like they were even aware that Covid existed.
1 early 20’s ‘nose only’ wearer.
Everyone else
Not much to report really...
2 late 20’s / early 30’s, probable W1G1WWGA types, falling foul of the legal requirements.
1 80+ couple, who didn’t look like they were even aware that Covid existed.
1 early 20’s ‘nose only’ wearer.
Everyone else
Mexboroseasider
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Just back from Morrison’s (A quick purchase of Cod Loins x 2, Celariac, Carrots, Leeks and other sundry items)
Not much to report really...
2 late 20’s / early 30’s, probable W1G1WWGA types, falling foul of the legal requirements.
1 80+ couple, who didn’t look like they were even aware that Covid existed.
1 early 20’s ‘nose only’ wearer.
Everyone else
I’m not sure this new hobby is healthy.
Or legal come to that.
deary
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Just back from Morrison’s (A quick purchase of Cod Loins x 2, Celariac, Carrots, Leeks and other sundry items)
Not much to report really...
2 late 20’s / early 30’s, probable W1G1WWGA types, falling foul of the legal requirements.
1 80+ couple, who didn’t look like they were even aware that Covid existed.
1 early 20’s ‘nose only’ wearer.
Everyone else
As someone who tries to limit shopping trips to once a week, I have to say these regular updates are much appreciated Bifster
.Im not sure what the official guidelines are on the 'numerous shorter visits verses one longer trip debate?
I have gone for the latter but do think your option sounds like a lot more fun.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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In keeping with the middle aged bloke theory...
news.sky.com
Coronavirus: Noel Gallagher refuses to wear face mask despite UK laws
The former Oasis guitarist said: "I choose not to wear one and if I get the virus it's on me, it's not on anyone else."
news.sky.com
In keeping with the middle aged bloke theory...
Coronavirus: Noel Gallagher refuses to wear face mask despite UK laws
The former Oasis guitarist said: "I choose not to wear one and if I get the virus it's on me, it's not on anyone else."
Well who would have f***in` believed it - Liam turns out to be the f***in` sensible one.
F*** me!
deary
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Most current evidence suggests the upsurge of infections is likely down to higher rates of transmission amongst younger people.
Do you disagree?
I accept the wearing of masks is a more recent phenomenon.
Surely youngsters with agile minds should be quicker to respond to newer guidelines than the older folk who are far more likely to be stuck in their ways & may be suffering from early onset dementia!
Simple Q
Should young people be responsible & wear masks or not Mex?
* Or do they not need to because of Dominic Cummings, High property pricems or the state of World they are gonna inherit?
* These are Just some of the frankly rabsurd & rather laughable responses put out by the self proclaimed 'intellegencia' on this thread
.No disrespect.
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Mexboroseasider
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Blimey - that took you a while!
But if you’re starting a “Young People Wearing Masks Matters” Campaign, I’d probably respond with a “All People Wearing Masks Matters” counter campaign.