Neil Critchley - Stats

Barbarian

Barbarian

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Not wanting to dwell on the past, but I came across these stats which are quite interesting, particularly the Win ratio.

First spell: 109 games, 45 wins, 41% win %
Second spell: 62 games, 30 wins, 48% win %

As of 2020, he was one of sixteen coaches worldwide to have obtained UEFA's elite badge (UESFA Pro Diploma I think)., impressive by anyone's standards.

And before anyone says, I'm quite happy with Ian Evatt, but fully expect some on here to say 'who cares'. But his BFC stats are impressive, and we're in a results business, even if the football wasn't that impressive.
 
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Barbarian said:
Not wanting to dwell on the past, but I came across these stats which are quite interesting, particularly the Win ratio.

First spell: 109 games, 45 wins, 41% win %
Second spell: 62 games, 30 wins, 48% win %

As of 2020, he was one of sixteen coaches worldwide to have obtained UEFA's elite badge (UESFA Pro Diploma I think)., impressive by anyone's standards.

And before anyone says, I'm quite happy with Ian Evatt, but fully expect some on here to say 'who cares'. But his BFC stats are impressive, and we're in a results business, even if the football wasn't that impressive.
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Wasn't Southgate a holder of the same elite badges, I think he was and his style of football was just as shite to watch.

Just hope the other 14 have tactics that aren't as boring because if they are I think these badges are killing football.

Anyone know who the other 14 are.
 
Dollar Thief said:
Wasn't Southgate a holder of the same elite badges, I think he was and his style of football was just as shite to watch.

Just hope the other 14 have tactics that aren't as boring because if they are I think these badges are killing football.

Anyone know who the other 14 are.
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As of June 25, this is now 600 worldwide, still not very many, but includes the following:
  • Darius Vassell, National Teams Casual Coach
  • David Challinor, Stockport County First Team Manager
  • Gareth Ainsworth, Gillingham First Team Manager
  • Jack Wilshere, Luton Town Manager
  • Nick Cox, Manchester United Head of Academy
The key part that always jumps off the page is that in 2017 Spain had 15,089 coaches who held either the Uefa Pro or Uefa A qualification compared to only 1,796 equivalent qualified coaches in England.
 
Barbarian said:
Not wanting to dwell on the past, but I came across these stats which are quite interesting, particularly the Win ratio.

First spell: 109 games, 45 wins, 41% win %
Second spell: 62 games, 30 wins, 48% win %

As of 2020, he was one of sixteen coaches worldwide to have obtained UEFA's elite badge (UESFA Pro Diploma I think)., impressive by anyone's standards.

And before anyone says, I'm quite happy with Ian Evatt, but fully expect some on here to say 'who cares'. But his BFC stats are impressive, and we're in a results business, even if the football wasn't that impressive.
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So the teams who finished above us were managed/coached by people who didn’t have this elite badge?
 
Barbarian said:
Not wanting to dwell on the past, but I came across these stats which are quite interesting, particularly the Win ratio.

First spell: 109 games, 45 wins, 41% win %
Second spell: 62 games, 30 wins, 48% win %

As of 2020, he was one of sixteen coaches worldwide to have obtained UEFA's elite badge (UESFA Pro Diploma I think)., impressive by anyone's standards.

And before anyone says, I'm quite happy with Ian Evatt, but fully expect some on here to say 'who cares'. But his BFC stats are impressive, and we're in a results business, even if the football wasn't that impressive.
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Does it have a rating for dull football
 
Dollar Thief said:
Wasn't Southgate a holder of the same elite badges, I think he was and his style of football was just as shite to watch.

Just hope the other 14 have tactics that aren't as boring because if they are I think these badges are killing football.

Anyone know who the other 14 are.
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You mean Southgate, the most successful England manager since Sir Alf Ramsey? The same one?
 
Dollar Thief said:
Wasn't Southgate a holder of the same elite badges, I think he was and his style of football was just as shite to watch.

Just hope the other 14 have tactics that aren't as boring because if they are I think these badges are killing football.

Anyone know who the other 14 are.
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Where were under Critch? Where are we now?

Grass is always greener etc..............
 
FY4Representer said:
You mean Southgate, the most successful England manager since Sir Alf Ramsey? The same one?
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He got the luck of the draw, and when he came up against better teams than they'd already played they struggled and he was outdone by other managers.

Would you call a manager who gets a team to an FA Cup Semi or Final a great manager if they'd got there because of an easy draw?
 
Barbarian said:
As of June 25, this is now 600 worldwide, still not very many, but includes the following:
  • Darius Vassell, National Teams Casual Coach
  • David Challinor, Stockport County First Team Manager
  • Gareth Ainsworth, Gillingham First Team Manager
  • Jack Wilshere, Luton Town Manager
  • Nick Cox, Manchester United Head of Academy
The key part that always jumps off the page is that in 2017 Spain had 15,089 coaches who held either the Uefa Pro or Uefa A qualification compared to only 1,796 equivalent qualified coaches in England.
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Those are different qualifications. UEFA only ran Critchley course once, with 16 people on it and then abandoned it and haven’t run it since.
 
Albert Ross said:
Those are different qualifications. UEFA only ran Critchley course once, with 16 people on it and then abandoned it and haven’t run it since.
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Yes, it's very boring seeing this brought up again and again like he's some elite coach. One of only 16 who have passed the course.

No, it's the equivalent of a UEFA pro license and was discontinued after one course. He's nothing special. A decent youth coach.
 
Looking back now he should never have been sacked. Got us within a point of the play-offs with a bang average squad and was only given two games the next season before the fans hounded him out. In reality it has all been downhill since then. We weren't particularly exciting under Critchley but at least we had a game plan and did the basics well, something that has been missing since then.
 
Barbarian said:
Not wanting to dwell on the past, but I came across these stats which are quite interesting, particularly the Win ratio.

First spell: 109 games, 45 wins, 41% win %
Second spell: 62 games, 30 wins, 48% win %

As of 2020, he was one of sixteen coaches worldwide to have obtained UEFA's elite badge (UESFA Pro Diploma I think)., impressive by anyone's standards.

And before anyone says, I'm quite happy with Ian Evatt, but fully expect some on here to say 'who cares'. But his BFC stats are impressive, and we're in a results business, even if the football wasn't that impressive.
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We are in a results business ,but also an entertainment business and even when we were winning games ,crowds were dropping .
 
FY4Representer said:
You mean Southgate, the most successful England manager since Sir Alf Ramsey? The same one?
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If you have a Porsche at your control and you are racing a bubble car, you don't need to be a good driver to win a race. At the time of Southgate's success it was thought that he had the best squad in the world at his control . So maybe he just failed .
 
BlackpoolJord said:
Looking back now he should never have been sacked. Got us within a point of the play-offs with a bang average squad and was only given two games the next season before the fans hounded him out. In reality it has all been downhill since then. We weren't particularly exciting under Critchley but at least we had a game plan and did the basics well, something that has been missing since then.
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That game plan was in full force at the beginning of the season especially against Stockport.

Just because we have gone 'downhill', it doesn't alter the fact Critchley was right to be sacked.

Times really are hard if people are regretting Critchley getting sacked.
 
Here's a fun fact.

Since Sadler took over:

We've won 103 league games

Neil Critchley has won 60 of them
Everyone else combined has won 43 (it might be 44 actually)

Ideally I'd have the breakdown on how many were won by a manager in a body warmer vs manager in other clothing too but I don't.
 
td53 said:
Here's a fun fact.

Since Sadler took over:

We've won 103 league games

Neil Critchley has won 60 of them
Everyone else combined has won 43 (it might be 44 actually)

Ideally I'd have the breakdown on how many were won by a manager in a body warmer vs manager in other clothing too but I don't.
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Now do the stats for Critchley with Calderwood / McCall and then without.
 
Omg what a Critchley love in…first time round he did ok getting us up in the play offs…I would argue that we had the best squad that year and we made a terrible start before a flying finish steered us into the play offs…he surpassed that when in the championship and all was going ok until the owner stopped investing whatever the reason was and the team clearly suffered….then Critchley understandably moved on to a bigger club albeit as number two…since then it has been all downhill for him and he was in reality sacked 8 months too late by us…his position was untenable after the Burton and Port Vale shambles and his style of football was atrocious. I genuinely believe keeping him until the stat of the next season cast over 1500 season ticket sales and damaged the fan base at Bloomfield road. QPR and hearts fans will tell you what they thought of him as I am not qualified but I would say that his impact on Hearts success this season is zero much as Gerrard has been responsible for Aston Villa’s meteoric rise. Critchley is damaged goods and imo will never scale the heights he did first time at Blackpool even if he gets another 500 coaching badges.
 
BlackpoolJord said:
Looking back now he should never have been sacked. Got us within a point of the play-offs with a bang average squad and was only given two games the next season before the fans hounded him out. In reality it has all been downhill since then. We weren't particularly exciting under Critchley but at least we had a game plan and did the basics well, something that has been missing since then.
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Critch is very hit and miss and ultimately far too stubborn for his own good. There's a good coach in there which is why he has seen some success, but it's unsurprising that he has struggled in other jobs.

He was sacked partly due to fan pressure, as you say, but also as the same patterns were already emerging from the season prior and the football was bloody awful in parts. Though, had he been backed like Bruce was this season, I think we'd have gone up again under him. Finishing one game from the playoffs a couple of seasons ago has looked better each passing week.

The problem has been the club's decision-making but hopefully that has been right with Evatt.
 
Dollar Thief said:
He got the luck of the draw, and when he came up against better teams than they'd already played they struggled and he was outdone by other managers.

Would you call a manager who gets a team to an FA Cup Semi or Final a great manager if they'd got there because of an easy draw?
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You can only beat what’s in front of you. Successive England managers failed to get us anywhere near finals with better squads and equally easy draws. The Southgate hate is insane - he brought some passion back for the shirt and got the team playing cohesively enough to challenge for trophies.

He is by far and away the best manager we’ve had since Sir Alf and it isn’t even close. Anyone who denies that is deluded.
 
FY4Representer said:
You can only beat what’s in front of you. Successive England managers failed to get us anywhere near finals with better squads and equally easy draws. The Southgate hate is insane - he brought some passion back for the shirt and got the team playing cohesively enough to challenge for trophies.

He is by far and away the best manager we’ve had since Sir Alf and it isn’t even close. Anyone who denies that is deluded.
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international football is not like it used to be, just look at the Italian, Spanish teams who won Euros they have both had much stronger teams in the past
People (wrongly) hold Southgate in much higher regard cos his predecessors used to flop with much stronger teams. Look at Berti Vogts he won euro 96 and was a complete car crash with Scotland took them to lowest ranking ever and it was a decent Scotland team he inherited.
I would call Southgate a bigger success than Capello, Sven etc but not having he was better than Southgate or Veneables as they were much stronger teams he came up across and were very unlucky to get knocked out. Whilst Southgate has carried enormous luck every time and always seems to struggle moment there is a challenge.
 
Dollar Thief said:
He got the luck of the draw, and when he came up against better teams than they'd already played they struggled and he was outdone by other managers.

Would you call a manager who gets a team to an FA Cup Semi or Final a great manager if they'd got there because of an easy draw?
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Great point other than Germany, Southgate always seems to panic or come unstuck when up against decent opposition. Not forgetting the journey to both semi/finals he hardly blew teams apart and were hardly the underdogs. I would say 90% of it is down to Kane who been a rarity in that he has taken his club form into an England shirt. He should defo of won something as in paper his teams were much stronger than Italy/Spain.
 
I think are home form in the 23/24 season must be pretty close to the best, and possibly the actual best, statistically in my time as a Pool fan.
Unfortunately the away form was very poor and the style of football was borderline unwatchable a lot of the time.
Still a very successful manager for us by our standards over my lifetime however.
 
Barbarian said:
Not wanting to dwell on the past, but I came across these stats which are quite interesting, particularly the Win ratio.

First spell: 109 games, 45 wins, 41% win %
Second spell: 62 games, 30 wins, 48% win %

As of 2020, he was one of sixteen coaches worldwide to have obtained UEFA's elite badge (UESFA Pro Diploma I think)., impressive by anyone's standards.
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I don't think anyone ever questioned his stats but it was his approach, his single mindedness and in the end his arrogance for me which meant he should go,
 
Whilst risking being labelled entitled ,I thought main issue with Critchley 2.0, was his brand of football was fkn boring

Agreed his stats were good compared to McCarthy, Appleton, Bruce etc
 
Just because someone is good theoretically and gets loads of certificates it has naff all to do with man management and getting the players to play how you want.
 
I don’t know if I am just easily pleased but I have seen much worse/boring teams than Crichtleys.
I remember some excellent performances away eg when we destroyed Portsmouth 4-1 and they were running away in front in league 1 at the time. But also some bottle jobs as well (similar to Bruce) remember a 2 nil lead slip in last 10 mins to Charlton.
I think issue was when ever we went 1 nil up early he used to have his defending for our life’s (no matter the opposition). I would say that when we lost a goal I always felt we had a chance of taking something from the game whilst with Bruce we were mostly beaten whenever we conceded.
I don’t want him to return as he has had his time with us, just saying that I don’t think my hatred of him is as strong as others 👍
 
Barbarian said:
Not wanting to dwell on the past, but I came across these stats which are quite interesting, particularly the Win ratio.

First spell: 109 games, 45 wins, 41% win %
Second spell: 62 games, 30 wins, 48% win %

As of 2020, he was one of sixteen coaches worldwide to have obtained UEFA's elite badge (UESFA Pro Diploma I think)., impressive by anyone's standards.

And before anyone says, I'm quite happy with Ian Evatt, but fully expect some on here to say 'who cares'. But his BFC stats are impressive, and we're in a results business, even if the football wasn't that impressive.
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The Elite badge was discontinued. Hence only the 16.
 
zico_bamber said:
Critchley’s footy was a one dimensional borefest. Slow, side to side, rinse and repeat. No plan B.
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Bruce did exactly the same but according to some it was exciting to watch....
Don't be disappointed with Evatts style then.
Its heart in mouth time aswe play around with it from the back. His plan is to encourage the opposition team up.on to us then play it over them.

Sadler made the error of reappointing him (NC) second tine round, not on a results or football basis but because of the fans. A hell of a lot never forgave him for leaving us without saying goodbye (the nda from Villa saw to that).
Not the only time Sadler got it wrong on his appointments either by not thinking though the fans reaction - Applegone was far worse.

Grateful to Quitchley for the promotion and the mid table finish in the Championship.
He isnt to blame for our fall from grace, Sadler is for not have any succession planning in place and then appointing Applegone, then McArthy and
add to the shambles that was Bruce.
 
Critchleys second spell was a mistake, with hindsight he and the club would probably admit to that.
Dull as dishwater football which got results (at home) but drove away so many supporters with some still to return
His inflexibility to change basically cost him his job
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
That is your opinion ,but if you listened to some of the pundits at the time ,they were saying that it was one of the best squads in the world and even if it wasn't, it was a fcuking good one that was capable of winning.
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It was nowhere near the best squad in Europe, never mind the world.

You've taken on board too much Sky 'THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD'.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
That is your opinion ,but if you listened to some of the pundits at the time ,they were saying that it was one of the best squads in the world and even if it wasn't, it was a fcuking good one that was capable of winning.
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It just wasn't though, decent keeper, raggedy defence, virtually no midfield and the one world class player we had up front.
 
Tango Jones said:
You have to look at how Hearts have been flying since he was fired.
Good coach does not translate as a good manager.
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A strange parallel to be drawn with how since SB's departure and with the subsequent arrival of a certain Mr Evatt as his replacement, hearts have been flying here at Bloomfield Road, too.
 
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