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Ok thanks for that, whilst interesting no real specifics. I think most clubs including PNE set out to stay within a reasonable budget and FFP tries to police that. The Hemings family has historically under pinned us to the tune of about £500k per month, that was just to keep us “competitive”. Your crowds are similar to ours and will not generate enough income to enable you to really push on without support from Mr Sadler. I don’t know your salary structure but if the top earners are £10k or less that will only allow you to fish for players from lower down the pyramid who are always a punt, we know we’ve been doing it for years. Simon Sadler will be a switched on individual but he’s going to need deep pockets.Spend within our means, or try to. We won't spend ridiculous money and won't break our structure or plan, within reason.
Clearly with Critchley we want to bring in young talent from the lower leagues and find gems and use them to progress, improve them and sell some for profit and reinvest.
The training ground thats due anytime soon to be announced and we want top facilities. Want to have a good academy, a few steps above what we have currently, I believe Sadler is aiming high here.
Develop young talent of our own and again this is where Critch and his philosophy fits in.
Stay in the championship and build.
East stand in the works but to be completed as part of the council wider development of the area.
That is just a quick mockup from the gazette where they have just copied the existing sides, it wouldn't be exactly like that more like seats all the way to the back, would be my guess, mock up doesn't even include the hotel. Taking capacity to about 20k, which generally is enough.
As for sustainable I've no idea if we break even but we do follow a strict budget apparently and for eg we have the category ticket that go upto 28 quid for cat a games and also some high costs in the middle blocks in the west stand.
We also seem to have sponsored everything that moves so there's clearly all revenue streams being taken advantage of.
I think a lot of this is obviously me as an outsider looking in, more will be revealed at time goes on and real info comes out and becomes apparent.
We still don't know when the training ground will arrive, the east, how willing we are to secure our main targets or keep hold of our best players when properly tested with offers, so what resolve they have.
I guess a lot of it is still wait and see.
JJpool
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It's hard to say without inside knowledge whats what. Until someone gets the accounts and analyses them. Maybe others here have an idea a lot more than I do.
As for wages apparently these are the top earners so seems to built on more sustainable wages.
5 top paid Pool players according to FLW
1. Madine £6200 pw 2. Yates 6100 3. Stewart 6000 4. Maxwell 5400 5. Gabriel 5100 Re-opens the Gaz debate! 🤣 Our best players are not in that 5! https://the72.co.uk/256212/blackpools-5-highest-earning-players-in-2021-22-and-their-transfer-market-values/
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The wages in the Championship are scary, our top earners are now North of £15k, £6,000 doesn’t buy proven Championship players which is why on crowds of circa 11,000 we’ve needed input from the owner. I understand we have a budget that puts us in the bottom 6 in the division I would expect you are the same. Since we came back up we have outperformed that but never had the resources to buy that special player to really push on.
JJpool
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But it's also unknown now Trevor is gone how willing the others are to carry on a loss making business forever.
I'd guess they want to get on a more sustainable footing at some point...
One thing I'd be interested to know is revenue streams from digital media, match passes, people watching games abroad or buying games not at 3 o clock kick offs.
Might not be massive in the grand scheme of things but would love to compare between us and you for eg.
As we seem to have a higher online presence, more youtube views, more twitter followers etc, probably more exiles who live away from Blackpool as many move away for work.
I haven't compared in detail obviously, but sure someone said our digital offering is better.
The biggest part of a sustainable model is keeping player wages in check. Plenty of Championship clubs paying well over 100% of turnover the problem is the longer you are in the Championship the pressure to pay players more and more becomes almost impossible to resist otherwise you lose your best player s consistently.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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The trouble with your lot is you’ve got lazy. Like you say, the Hemmings’ wack £500K - £1M in every month, Ridsdale carries on working within his comfort zone and you neither trouble the top or the bottom of the table. It’s all very Beige, like Ridsdale’s Chinos.
By contrast, we have some of the Brightest new minds in football. We’re hungry, aggressive and keen to shake things up and make a name for ourselves.
It’s not about the same lazy ‘need deep pockets’ mentality espoused by an aged CEO, who’s looking for an easy time. Totally different approach / worlds apart.
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Brightest new minds in football???
What is that assertion based on, I’ll give you Critchley is new to this level, the rest???
You are owned by a businessman who is a fan, so were Derby.
Maintaining Championship status is a challenge and I would be surprised if you do it continually shopping in the bargain basement.
We’ve still not spent more than
£2 million on a player but we would need that level of investment to really push on, so will you, or you’ll just become beige, or faded tangerine.
100% correct as you say you lose your best players, or never attract the ones that you need in the first place.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Norfolk White
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I am really enjoying reading this discussion, it's nice to read posts where there is no slagging off taking place and where it seems that each others views are being respected. 
Norfolk White
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I don't know anything about these two so I am unable to comment.
That is where North End have suffered, we have sold our best players for decent money, e.g. Robinson, Hugill, Davies, etc, yet we have not bought in better players or their equivalent but have brought in players from the Irish League and the lower divisions and spent a lot less than what they were sold for and have suffered badly for it. Again e.g. Sinclair was signed from Celtic, he is reported to be our top earner on £10,000+ per week and when he signed for us he was way pst his best also, we brought back Nugent (whether it was Ridsdale's or Hemmings who wanted him back I don't know, all I can say is Alex Neil didn't want him) and he was no where near the player we first had but he was no way near good enough for the Championship.
BFC_53
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Both Blackpool and Preston are clubs that won't be able to compete at the top end of the championship without sustaining significant losses. It's why we have gone for a model of bringing in young players from the lower leagues and developing them in order to sell on for a profit in future. It's why our owner is spending most of his money on the training ground and youth academy and has continually placed importance on that in his interviews.
PNE have also traditionally adopted this model, however they have not, as far as I can tell, made many improvements to their youth set up. They're still a cat 3 academy I believe. They have traditionally spent their incoming transfer fees, and owner investment, on team strengthening at the expense of youth infrastructure, and that's where Blackpool's long term strategy seems to differ from theirs. I'm sure the Preston fans on here will correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how it seems to me.
I also don't think generally PNE fans are realistic about what their club can sustainably achieve. They have always believed themselves to be a much bigger club than us, but this just isn't true, by any measure. In fact, there's hardly any difference in size between any of the four traditional Lancs clubs. Put them all in the Championship for ten years and you'd find their average crowds would be within about 1,000 of each other. Negligible.
I think their fans have found it painful to watch on as Burnley, Blackburn and us have all been in the Premier league. But what they don't seem to get is that we made a big loss in our promotion season in 2010, it was a huge risk that was basically underwritten by Belokon. Similarly, I bet Rovers and Burnley have taken big financial risks to get there. It is possible to do as we proved, and Burnley, and now a club like Brentford. But it's exceptionally difficult and risky for clubs of our size, and I don't think PNE fans really appreciate that tbh. Just because we did it isn't proof that it's quite easy to achieve. The stars aligned for us, they really did.
PNE have also traditionally adopted this model, however they have not, as far as I can tell, made many improvements to their youth set up. They're still a cat 3 academy I believe. They have traditionally spent their incoming transfer fees, and owner investment, on team strengthening at the expense of youth infrastructure, and that's where Blackpool's long term strategy seems to differ from theirs. I'm sure the Preston fans on here will correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how it seems to me.
I also don't think generally PNE fans are realistic about what their club can sustainably achieve. They have always believed themselves to be a much bigger club than us, but this just isn't true, by any measure. In fact, there's hardly any difference in size between any of the four traditional Lancs clubs. Put them all in the Championship for ten years and you'd find their average crowds would be within about 1,000 of each other. Negligible.
I think their fans have found it painful to watch on as Burnley, Blackburn and us have all been in the Premier league. But what they don't seem to get is that we made a big loss in our promotion season in 2010, it was a huge risk that was basically underwritten by Belokon. Similarly, I bet Rovers and Burnley have taken big financial risks to get there. It is possible to do as we proved, and Burnley, and now a club like Brentford. But it's exceptionally difficult and risky for clubs of our size, and I don't think PNE fans really appreciate that tbh. Just because we did it isn't proof that it's quite easy to achieve. The stars aligned for us, they really did.
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BFC_BFC_BFC
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Think he may have been involved with PKE at some point.
Whilst I’m sure they are capable individuals I’d struggle to put them in the brightest new minds in football category.
Time will tell.
Giro
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It can be segregated.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Time’s already telling really… I mean we’re smashing you lot all over on less than half your budget.
you are easily pleased if your benchmark is us.
Level on points doesn’t really back up your assertion either.
No idea what our Budget is neither do you, probably more than yours but less most. You’ve had a solid start but that’s it, we’ve been here a good few years now let’s see if your footballing geniuses can do the same or better.
Time will tell
BFC_BFC_BFC
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You publish your accounts every year and regularly announce how much Hemmings has bunged in regularly, you whopper.you are easily pleased if your benchmark is us.
Level on points doesn’t really back up your assertion either.
No idea what our Budget is neither do you, probably more than yours but less most. You’ve had a solid start but that’s it, we’ve been here a good few years now let’s see if your footballing geniuses can do the same or better.
Time will tell
…..and I don’t read them, and I doubt they’d make much sense to you. We have a budget that consistently puts us lower than than our delivered results, and you are doing the same. How long that goes on for both of us, who knows.
As I said previously Sadler will need deep pockets just to keep you as a mid table non entity, something you seem to look down on us for. My guess is that Blackpool’s next relegation will be before ours.
LeedsSeasider
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This is one of the biggest backtracking thick as shit responses I’ve seen from your rabble. Well done
What??This is one of the biggest backtracking thick as shit responses I’ve seen from your rabble. Well done
Please explain.
20togo
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It's not just about finances meaning you can get to the PL. Abit of luck with the right manager and the right players at the right time can get you there. Sure it's not easy and the odds are stacked against you but Burnley and Brentford are there now, Bournemouth, Huddersfield and one or two others have all made it in the last decade or so.
seasideone
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I think you are 100% correct that our next relegation will be before yours - we will be relegated from the PL again when you are mid to bottom table in the championship.
The model of buying from the lower leagues, improve the player and then sell on, and repeat does work.
PNE are just rubbish at it
Vince McLean
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Crazy money - I think we get it right. Bowler cost nothing and look at him now. Must be loads of lads out there like that. It's why a smart scouting system is so valuable. We got Charlie from Rangers reserves, Wes from Eire or Raith Rovers maybe - whatever. Lavery is another good example. Maybe Beesley will be another.
ItsGrimUpNorth
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After speaking with someone who is connected with the club on Friday evening..
I believe that PNE tickets are going to go on sale to ST holders with 10+ aways first, then dwindle down.
Which, IMO, is the correct way to do so.
I believe that PNE tickets are going to go on sale to ST holders with 10+ aways first, then dwindle down.
Which, IMO, is the correct way to do so.
snowy797
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The fairest way imo
BFC_BFC_BFC
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It’s a set of accounts, not Stephen Hawking’s Black Hole workings.
B_Side_The_C_Side
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Just for the Knobbers that cant count........your 2020 (& 2019) accounts.....HERE
PNE turnover £12m a year (similar prior C-19).......But you spend £20m pa.....
Losses (£8m - £9m pa) are covered by Hemmings who was/is buying shares at £1,001 each
He (now the family) covered transfers etc....The monthly share purchase in 2019/20 IS just over the £1m a month (£12m for 2020)
Mr Ridsdale is paid £166,000 a year + benefits (pension etc) as he's out of his directors ban
Wages in the club stand at £17m
......Income £6m.....so for 2020....Mr Hemmings stumped up over £12m to cover costs (C-19 adjusted)
£28m debt owed to the major shareholder company Wordon Ltd (IoM).....You don't own the ground (Council) so no asset there...
If anyone wanted to buy PNE...They would have to repay the shares purchased by Hemmings....£41m
But lets be honest......The Hemmings family will save £12m - £15m a year by selling the club.....so maybe they would look to get 20% - 50% back
£8m - £20m.....but new owners would still need to find £12m a year to put in......or reduce costs dramatically.
If you want Blackpool accounts they are HERE
I wont bore you....£3m loss for 2020.....Looks like we operate on £9m...Which is £3m less than what PNE makes £12m ......
But we were in League 1......So income should jump considerably for 20/21 in the Championship.
Wages should remain similar (or less as we sell/get rid of players on the books) ....so (possible) profit for 21
PNE turnover £12m a year (similar prior C-19).......But you spend £20m pa.....
Losses (£8m - £9m pa) are covered by Hemmings who was/is buying shares at £1,001 each
He (now the family) covered transfers etc....The monthly share purchase in 2019/20 IS just over the £1m a month (£12m for 2020)
Mr Ridsdale is paid £166,000 a year + benefits (pension etc) as he's out of his directors ban
Wages in the club stand at £17m
......Income £6m.....so for 2020....Mr Hemmings stumped up over £12m to cover costs (C-19 adjusted)£28m debt owed to the major shareholder company Wordon Ltd (IoM).....You don't own the ground (Council) so no asset there...
If anyone wanted to buy PNE...They would have to repay the shares purchased by Hemmings....£41m
But lets be honest......The Hemmings family will save £12m - £15m a year by selling the club.....so maybe they would look to get 20% - 50% back
£8m - £20m.....but new owners would still need to find £12m a year to put in......or reduce costs dramatically.
If you want Blackpool accounts they are HERE
I wont bore you....£3m loss for 2020.....Looks like we operate on £9m...Which is £3m less than what PNE makes £12m ......
But we were in League 1......So income should jump considerably for 20/21 in the Championship.
Wages should remain similar (or less as we sell/get rid of players on the books) ....so (possible) profit for 21
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Briggsy's-Shin-Pads
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Excellent summary, we might get those 3000 extra seats if you send this to the right people!
Norfolk White
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You missed 'very few injuries and non long term'