non-league update

...and now the interesting bit starts. Do they promote Barrow or not?
The outcome of how it all pans out is far from over.
 
To promote Barrow we would have to finish the leagues if this carries on and we choose not to like a lot of Chairman are calling for in Lge1/2 how can you work that out?


Bury where a Lge 1 side who do you promote from Lge 2 Crewe or Swindon both on the same points to balance up.

In non-league there was no promotion /relegation as the cancelled their seasons do we do the same and that would make us a team short.
Even I'm if we did complete our games we still need one to come up to make it 92
 
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In the NL South, leaders, Wealdstone are rumoured to have voted to void the season even though they may/would get promoted. The theory is that they may not be able to afford to be promoted. In these struggling times, would Barrow be able to finance a season in League 2?
 
I’d promote Barrow just to even up the league and replace Bury
Barrow were only 4 points ahead of Harrogate with 27 points to play for. Barrow & Harrogate still have to play each other so potentially 1 point apart. In fact Barnet in 11th place could get to with 6 points of Barrow if they won their games in hand.

Said it before and I’ll say it again, you can’t promote or relegate teams if the full seasons worth of games haven’t been played.
 
Indeed are the National League in a position to decide promotion to the Football League, does not the FL have a say in that? And suppose the FL decides to void the season with no promotion or relegation - what happens to Barrow if the NL declares them champions?

Hours and hours of hot air to come on this saga yet.
 
Correct PB finish the season.
But the National league has now decided not to so who gets promoted as at the mo we only have 91 teams?
One up no down from Lge 2 leaves them one short.
One up one down still leaves Lge1 or 2 short.
No relegation/promotion and we still are a club short or is that just tough for 2?

This a mess with winners and losers.
 
It just shows the huge financial chasm between the Premiership and the lower leagues.
The Premiership clubs are saying they can't afford not to finish the season because they'll lose 800 million in tv money
And then you have Accrington Stanley saying they can't afford to finish the season as it'll cost them too much
There's something sadly wrong with our national game.
But whichever way is decided, apart from playing out the season is going to be unfair to some.
 
A real mess, how would we have felt after the perfect 10 or our promotion year to the Prem, if we were denied the opportunity to enter a play-off.

Teams sat at the top with 9 or 10 games to go can’t really claim the title, unless they have a lead like Liverpool have. Lots can change and I could understand plenty of teams being upset at all levels.

Expunging the results is not ideal, but the world has more pressing issues to deal with.
 
It just shows the huge financial chasm between the Premiership and the lower leagues.
The Premiership clubs are saying they can't afford not to finish the season because they'll lose 800 million in tv money
And then you have Accrington Stanley saying they can't afford to finish the season as it'll cost them too much
There's something sadly wrong with our national game.
But whichever way is decided, apart from playing out the season is going to be unfair to some.
I hate the way the TV companies are hovering and threatening the leagues with litigation. If that happens I’d be cancelling my subscription and I’d hope millions of others would do likewise.

For a sensible outcome to be reached, the threat has to be removed.
 
I hate the way the TV companies are hovering and threatening the leagues with litigation. If that happens I’d be cancelling my subscription and I’d hope millions of others would do likewise.

For a sensible outcome to be reached, the threat has to be removed.

I might have missed it but I've not seen anything from the likes of Sky threatening litigation or demanding money back. Seen lots of talk of it on here but have they actually come out and commented.
 
I might have missed it but I've not seen anything from the likes of Sky threatening litigation or demanding money back. Seen lots of talk of it on here but have they actually come out and commented.
I'm not sure if they have 20's. But the contract is for a certain amount of live games and if that number isn't fulfilled, you would imagine the likes of Sky and BT would have grounds for holding back the payments. And no doubt they've both lost loads in subscriptions due to there being no live sport. So they may have lost revenue to make up and won't be in the mood for paying out huge sums if they don't have to. Can't say I've got much sympathy for the Prem clubs or the tv companies to be honest
 
I'm not sure if they have 20's. But the contract is for a certain amount of live games and if that number isn't fulfilled, you would imagine the likes of Sky and BT would have grounds for holding back the payments. And no doubt they've both lost loads in subscriptions due to there being no live sport. So they may have lost revenue to make up and won't be in the mood for paying out huge sums if they don't have to. Can't say I've got much sympathy for the Prem clubs or the tv companies to be honest
You would like to think that during this last month that the EPL/EFL and the tv companies will have some discussions especially regarding the legal implications of fixtures not being fulfilled. Yet we've seemingly heard nothing from those concerned. Seems odd to me.
 
I might have missed it but I've not seen anything from the likes of Sky threatening litigation or demanding money back. Seen lots of talk of it on here but have they actually come out and commented.
They cant do really because of the fall out given that people are dying etc. but I guess behind closed doors they'll be preparing for all the alternatives and making sure they can broadcast when called upon.

Slightly off subject but in a corporate vein,all I've had since the lockdown are emails from the LU trying flog 'last' seasons kit/stock,where the money machine is still grinding but only ever so slowly. I'm sure Sky etc still very much have their eye on the ball as it were.
 
You would like to think that during this last month that the EPL/EFL and the tv companies will have some discussions especially regarding the legal implications of fixtures not being fulfilled. Yet we've seemingly heard nothing from those concerned. Seems odd to me.
Are you really expecting the legal implications to be played out in public?
 
If the league is null and void this season.
Then next season start with giving a points addition. based on points above bottom team. I realise that not everyone has played same games so do a Pools panel exercise to level the games played.
No solution will be ideal as it does to an extent rely on how easy the run in was.
If it happens in EFL do Bolton survive without penalty?
 
If the league is null and void this season.
Then next season start with giving a points addition. based on points above bottom team. I realise that not everyone has played same games so do a Pools panel exercise to level the games played.
No solution will be ideal as it does to an extent rely on how easy the run in was.
If it happens in EFL do Bolton survive without penalty?
If Bolton restart without a penalty it would be such an injustice. I think the average points route is the simplest if we are not going to restart.
 
You would like to think that during this last month that the EPL/EFL and the tv companies will have some discussions especially regarding the legal implications of fixtures not being fulfilled. Yet we've seemingly heard nothing from those concerned. Seems odd to me.

As you said yourself, there is plenty of discussion going on. Just not in public.
 
Beginning to think you’re right
I know I laughed with 20’s over the “fair” but at the end of the day it’s the most fair way of doing things.
It becomes unfair when you promote or relegate teams with so many games/points still to play for.
 
I know I laughed with 20’s over the “fair” but at the end of the day it’s the most fair way of doing things.
It becomes unfair when you promote or relegate teams with so many games/points still to play for.
Nope, the most fair way is to get the season finished.
 
What this thread shows is that whatever is decided and whatever ultimately happens plenty will be happy with it and plenty unhappy with it. In these circumstances the Man who is “certain” of the best course of action is often a Fool
 
If the league is null and void this season.
Then next season start with giving a points addition. based on points above bottom team. I realise that not everyone has played same games so do a Pools panel exercise to level the games played.
No solution will be ideal as it does to an extent rely on how easy the run in was.
If it happens in EFL do Bolton survive without penalty?
if the league is null and void and Bolton survive without penalty then surely Bury start season 2020/21 in League 1?
 
Nope, the most fair way is to get the season finished.
We’ve been through this already 20’s so I’ll repeat myself again.
As things stand Its looking highly unlikely there won’t be any football played before the Autumn maybe even the end of the year and if it does restart it will be behind closed doors so how’s it going to be finished?
 
Gosh. Big decision that. There is going to be hell raised.

Bit premature? Feel for Barrow. This decision affects relegation in L2 also. Hornets nest.
 
Is the problem not finishing this season but starting the next one? If we're in for another year of social distancing, how on earth will they get a new season started?
 
We’ve been through this already 20’s so I’ll repeat myself again.
As things stand Its looking highly unlikely there won’t be any football played before the Autumn maybe even the end of the year and if it does restart it will be behind closed doors so how’s it going to be finished?
Simple really.
Say as you say it doesn't start til next year. Then they've got plenty of time to finish the season before starting the next one. You wouldn't need midweek games. So in effect there would be no season 20/21. Everything could then start normally in August for season 21/22.
 
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