Nurses drugging patients at BVH

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TSSeasider

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Just watching Sky news reporting from Preston about a nurse and an an assistant being found guilty of sedating patients on the stroke ward.

Scandalously, it took a student nurse to report it.

And the investigation goes back to 2018 - which is another joke.

Dreadful.
 
TSSeasider said:
Just watching Sky news reporting from Preston about a nurse and an an assistant being found guilty of sedating patients on the stroke ward.

Scandalously, it took a student nurse to report it.

And the investigation goes back to 2018 - which is another joke.

Dreadful.
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When I was in hospital I'd have been annoyed if they hadn't given me any drugs.
 
TSSeasider said:
Just watching Sky news reporting from Preston about a nurse and an an assistant being found guilty of sedating patients on the stroke ward.

Scandalously, it took a student nurse to report it.

And the investigation goes back to 2018 - which is another joke.

Dreadful.
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I’ve been reading about this. What a pair of horrible creatures they are. I always thought though that after previous scandals drugs on the ward were closely guarded so it beggars belief that this kind of thing can still be happening. Where are the controls.
 
Wizaard said:
When I was in hospital I'd have been annoyed if they hadn't given me any drugs.
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Really?

Illegally administering sedatives, with weird to the affect of "it won't matter if they die as there will be no post mortem due to their age" warrants that kind of response.

I'm surprised.
 
traffordtang said:
I’ve been reading about this. What a pair of horrible creatures they are. I always thought though that after previous scandals drugs on the ward were closely guarded so it beggars belief that this kind of thing can still be happening. Where are the controls.
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It must have been cultural on that ward, which is why it took a student nurse to do something.

There's no way, others didn't know what was going on given the drug protocols.

Dispicable behaviour.
 
TSSeasider said:
Really?

Illegally administering sedatives, with weird to the affect of "it won't matter if they die as there will be no post mortem due to their age" warrants that kind of response.

I'm surprised.
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I was making light of a bad situation. I apologise.
 
I’ve always had good experiences at the Vic, there will always be bad apples in any organisation, especially one so big. I do think though, that others must have known.
 
The sooner we get people who are interested in their job positions at the hospital the better. Get rid of the agency staff. Get rid of nodding dogs like fy8 who will stick up for the hospital whatever happens. I know there is good there but the bad out weighs the good.
 
todayistheday said:
The sooner we get people who are interested in their job positions at the hospital the better. Get rid of the agency staff. Get rid of nodding dogs like fy8 who will stick up for the hospital whatever happens. I know there is good there but the bad out weighs the good.
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There's a bit of a jump between defending someone calling it a terrible hospital and being a nodding dog.

Still, better nodding than just being an out and out dog eh pal? You couldn't get rid of a cold fella let alone anything else, give it a go anytime though...
 
It’s scary to think that I was on that ward at Christmas 2018, I hadn’t had a stroke but it was the only available bed. I received fantastic treatment that helped me get through Pneumonia and Sepsis.
 
TSSeasider said:
It must have been cultural on that ward, which is why it took a student nurse to do something.

There's no way, others didn't know what was going on given the drug protocols.

Dispicable behaviour.
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I am not sure your second sentence is true. The nurse, Hudson, had been squirrelling away at her home the Zopiclone (sedative) from unused and half-used packs which she then brought back into the hospital. A police search of her home found the packs. So she may not have been obtaining the Zopiclone with the knowledge of her colleagues. These were stroke patients so it might not have seemed unusual for them to be comatose. And they would not have had regular blood tests to check for sedatives.

I think Hudson and her partner in crime, the care assistant Wilmot, were a bit thick and became arrogant and careless. Not thinking that the student nurse would have the attention and insight to notice what was going on. And the bravery to report them to senior nursing staff and doctors.
 
Archibald Knox said:
I am not sure your second sentence is true. The nurse, Hudson, had been squirrelling away at her home the Zopiclone (sedative) from unused and half-used packs which she then brought back into the hospital. A police search of her home found the packs. So she may not have been obtaining the Zopiclone with the knowledge of her colleagues. These were stroke patients so it might not have seemed unusual for them to be comatose. And they would not have had regular blood tests to check for sedatives.

I think Hudson and her partner in crime, the care assistant Wilmot, were a bit thick and became arrogant and careless. Not thinking that the student nurse would have the attention and insight to notice what was going on. And the bravery to report them to senior nursing staff and doctors.
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If true about the zopiclone I’m amazed it didn’t need to be accounted for to the last drop. I remember reading that staff could not even take a paracetamol from the drugs cabinet following some high profile case which I can’t remember, but brought about rule changes. Presumably no longer the case. Was she stealing them for the express purpose of giving them to the patients?
 
todayistheday said:
The sooner we get people who are interested in their job positions at the hospital the better. Get rid of the agency staff. Get rid of nodding dogs like fy8 who will stick up for the hospital whatever happens. I know there is good there but the bad out weighs the good.
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The bad out weighs the good? And what evidence have you got for that? Another bull shit post not backed up by any facts.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
I am not sure your second sentence is true. The nurse, Hudson, had been squirrelling away at her home the Zopiclone (sedative) from unused and half-used packs which she then brought back into the hospital. A police search of her home found the packs. So she may not have been obtaining the Zopiclone with the knowledge of her colleagues. These were stroke patients so it might not have seemed unusual for them to be comatose. And they would not have had regular blood tests to check for sedatives.

I think Hudson and her partner in crime, the care assistant Wilmot, were a bit thick and became arrogant and careless. Not thinking that the student nurse would have the attention and insight to notice what was going on. And the bravery to report them to senior nursing staff and doctors.
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That could be true, MrsTSS led the rehabilitation on a stroke ward for 10 years and established an acquired brain injury unit so she has seen the effects of brain problems first hand.

She says she would have expected to notice differences in behaviour of someone who changed from being chatty (polite way to describe moaning I suspect) to not doing so and would be looking to understand why - as in is there a problem they were missing. Her role wanted interaction as a way to get them out of hospital safely and back to as close as possible to their previous life; so someone being sedated would have flagged.

However, if it was only done on a night shift, possibly less so and there may not have been the urgency to do anything about it as it gave the staff a quiet shift and they may just have felt 'lucky' they had a quiet one.

She did say she was surprised pharmacy or another colleague didn't realise the Zoppies were missing.

On a side note; there's quite a market for them in the drugs world which is worrying given what is used for.

And now she's a lecturer teaching this new professionals, she will be using this example next week as the kind of example the students should emulate if they ever see something not right. It takes a huge amount of courage to do it, but that student nurse will have inspired thousands of trainee health professionals up and down the country - so so hopefully something structurally good comes out of it.
 
I see you do have very specific knowledge and insight, so I do accept your reasoning. And I did not know Zopiclone was such a powerful drug that every tablet needed to be accounted for, as I have never taken it. There is a report that states there was a culture of abuse as another patient on the unit was assaulted.
www.theguardian.com

Blackpool nurse found guilty of sedating patients to ‘keep them quiet’

Catherine Hudson, 54, faces jail after drugging patients in 2017 and 2018 amid ‘culture of abuse’ on unit
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My mum was effectively dead on Wednesday night after being diagnosed with bilateral pulmonary embolisms in both lungs. She plummeted within a minute and due to her oxygen level dropping to 70. But for the quick thinking of an incredible junior doctor (who was treating another patient) in ICU who placed her into an induced coma and put a ventilator on her she'd be gone. Incredible doctors and nurses. Incredible hospital working in the most difficult of circumstances.

Whilst she is gravely ill in intensive care she is still with us and I can go and visit her again today. Let's not tar all our NHS workers with the same brush because of 2 (now convicted) wankers.
 
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Macseasider said:
My mum was effectively dead on Wednesday night after being diagnosed with bilateral pulmonary embolisms in both lungs. She plummeted within a minute and due to her oxygen level dropping to 70. But for the quick thinking of an incredible junior doctor (who was treating another patient) in ICU who placed her into an induced coma and put a ventilator she'd be gone. Incredible doctors and nurses. Incredible hospital working in the most difficult of circumstances.

Whilst she is incredibly ill in intensive care she is still with us and I can go and visit her again today. Let's not tar all our NHS workers with the same brush because of 2 (now convicted) wankers.
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Sending you love Mac, thoughts and prayers for your mum x
 
Macseasider said:
My mum was effectively dead on Wednesday night after being diagnosed with bilateral pulmonary embolisms in both lungs. She plummeted within a minute and due to her oxygen level dropping to 70. But for the quick thinking of an incredible junior doctor (who was treating another patient) in ICU who placed her into an induced coma and put a ventilator she'd be gone. Incredible doctors and nurses. Incredible hospital working in the most difficult of circumstances.

Whilst she is incredibly ill in intensive care she is still with us and I can go and visit her again today. Let's not tar all our NHS workers with the same brush because of 2 (now convicted) wankers.
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Sending whatever support you take at such a shitty time, Mac. Been there a couple of times with parents. All these tossers who love to run the NHS down are just that, tossers. A great many of us owe our lives to it, as a kid in Devvy Road Hospital, and at BVH.
 
Macseasider said:
My mum was effectively dead on Wednesday night after being diagnosed with bilateral pulmonary embolisms in both lungs. She plummeted within a minute and due to her oxygen level dropping to 70. But for the quick thinking of an incredible junior doctor (who was treating another patient) in ICU who placed her into an induced coma and put a ventilator she'd be gone. Incredible doctors and nurses. Incredible hospital working in the most difficult of circumstances.

Whilst she is incredibly ill in intensive care she is still with us and I can go and visit her again today. Let's not tar all our NHS workers with the same brush because of 2 (now convicted) wankers.
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Good luck with our mum mate🤞
 
Thankyou for the kind messages. Genuinely appreciate it.

Mum's oxygen levels have returned to normal and the ventilator was taken off. She is even awake and chatting. A long road to recovery and there may be some scarring on her heart but she has done remarkably well. She is 82 and was leading a full and independent life. She drives and has a hectic social life. She went to see my sister in LA mid August and they suspect the clotting has stemmed from the long haul flight.
 
Memphisboy said:
Sooner we go to an American style health system and people and finances are accountable will things improve.
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America had 326,441 medical bankruptcies last year.

That's 326,441 people reduced to nothing because their medical costs were overwhelming, at that point they are refused all treatment bar lifesaving measures.

Anyone who wants a US medical system is either rich and heartless or a fūcking idiot.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Finland, etc............

Do they just leave people to die in the street?
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They all have universal state health insurance available to people who can't afford private healthcare.

I live in Germany, I am privately insured, my Mrs is on the state insurance, you don't have a clue.
 
Foolweary said:
They all have universal state health insurance available to people who can't afford private healthcare.

I live in Germany, I am privately insured, my Mrs is on the state insurance, you don't have a clue.
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So not America, but not the NHS either, but a completely different system, which on the face of it is superior to both.

You can't even read properly.
 
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