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Another half cocked attempt by the police to disperse the crowd after the match tonight. Clueless beyond belief and tbh its an accident waiting to happen. The chants of you dont know what you're doing have never been more appropriate. Pathetic. Just keep the away fans in for 15 mins...all issues resolved in one fell swoop.
 
McG_BFC said:
@SLO_BFC - has this actually been discussed?
I think your Gazette column would be far better used to discuss this than the 'stating the bleedin' obvious' comments about how we're doing on the pitch!!
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McG_BFC: Yes it has, several times. And it was discussed in my Gazette column last month - you obviously missed it.
 
SLO_BFC said:
McG_BFC: Yes it has, several times. And it was discussed in my Gazette column last month - you obviously missed it.
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Steve can we have a definite yes/no is it against human rights keeping away fans in after the final whistle?

If the answer is no then why don’t we do it?

If the answer is yes then why do other clubs still do it and obviously get away with it?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Steve can we have a definite yes/no is it against human rights keeping away fans in after the final whistle?

If the answer is no then why don’t we do it?

If the answer is yes then why do other clubs still do it and obviously get away with it?
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No it absolutely, categorically is not against human rights… So much so, that the ECHR have actually used containing football crowds and delayed exit as a specific example (alongside being held up by Police on the motorway) where Article 5 would not be infringed.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
No it absolutely, categorically is not against human rights… So much so, that the ECHR have actually used containing football crowds and delayed exit as a specific example (alongside being held up by Police on the motorway) where Article 5 would not be infringed.
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I think most of us already knew the answer but just wanted the SLO/clubs take in it.

So that’s the simple and only answer then?

So why don’t the club adopt it?

Or does it have to go through the incompetent Lancashire Police force? and if it does why aren’t we doing it?

So many unanswered questions.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Steve can we have a definite yes/no is it against human rights keeping away fans in after the final whistle?

If the answer is no then why don’t we do it?

If the answer is yes then why do other clubs still do it and obviously get away with it?
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Or if the answer is yes what needs to be put in place to ensure this happens, is it just as simple as adding appropriate Ts&Cs on tickets?
 
The club should make it a condition of sale for away tickets at Bloomfield Rd that you will be detained for 15mins after the final whistle. That way everyone is clear and away fans can decide if they want to comply or not before buying a ticket.

It genuinely seems so simple to solve that it's mad we are here in November still discussing it.
 
It's a red herring and a load of cobblers...the Old Bill think they are doing a great job when in reality virtually every game is a powderkeg that could explode into a mass brawl. Just keep the away fans in for 15 mins no ifs no buts...problem solved.
 
Of course it's a grey area. The position Lancashire police take (as I've shared before) is this, and I paraphrase: "Just for the sake of clarity 'holdbacks' haven’t been used for a number of years now, unless they’re spontaneous, can’t be pre-planned owing to ECHR Article 5 - Right To Liberty & Security. Pre-planned holdbacks could be seen as 'unlawful' detention so are avoided (generally)."

As I understand it, it's not the Club's decision to make (which is why it isn't in T&Cs). I believe it is a Police decision on a game-by-game basis, there to be invoked spontaneously by Match Command if it is felt the circumstances on the day merit it. I don't know if the Club will challenge that but right now we have to work on the assumption that it is not a regular or permanent solution to managing the exit of fans from BR and through the surrounding streets.
 
If the Police response after games is "planned" the "muppet" that does the planning, needs to walk alongside me after a game to see the failings,,, You'd have thought after Hillsborough, the Policing would be thought out & justifiable, it seems no justification from Lancs Police is forthcoming, despite the cries for some communication...

Definition of madness... doing the same thing repeatedly & expecting a different result...
 
It's allowed at other football grounds.
It's a safety issue and as has been discussed, some one, probably an innocent bystander, will be hurt.....then what....
The police should also start treating football supporters as members of the public, not all as hooligans, which is what they currently do.
 
No doubt it will be changed , but probably after a serious incident , when it will be too late , very poor policing !
 
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It's a problem, as we have dicks in both sets of supporters & as I was being "kettled" along with many others, as I was trying to get to St Heliers Rd I heard quite a few of our youngsters uttering less than complementary things the wanted to do to the opposing supporters, all having marched round from the North Stand probably. I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, apart from retaining the away fans on a match to match basis. But it needs some better organisation for sure.
 
This "plan" seems to me to involve having a massive amount of Police all on a nice bit of Saturday double bubble.

If the away fans were kept in then they'd only be able to offer a fraction as far less coppers would be needed.
 
Think that you have a point Mac… also think the attitude of the police is let them clash, film it and pick up the pieces later which is a very reckless strategy. No excuses for not keeping away fans back for 15 mins to avoid all issues … I just don’t buy this human rights bollux they are spouting
 
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To be fair the cops on duty yesterday shrugged their shoulders and told us it was not their decision. They were just doing as they were told. So having a go at those cops on duty is understandable but the wrong target, its the match commander who will have ordered the road block on Bloomfield road. Totally not needed.
 
SLO_BFC said:
Of course it's a grey area. The position Lancashire police take (as I've shared before) is this, and I paraphrase: "Just for the sake of clarity 'holdbacks' haven’t been used for a number of years now, unless they’re spontaneous, can’t be pre-planned owing to ECHR Article 5 - Right To Liberty & Security. Pre-planned holdbacks could be seen as 'unlawful' detention so are avoided (generally)."

As I understand it, it's not the Club's decision to make (which is why it isn't in T&Cs). I believe it is a Police decision on a game-by-game basis, there to be invoked spontaneously by Match Command if it is felt the circumstances on the day merit it. I don't know if the Club will challenge that but right now we have to work on the assumption that it is not a regular or permanent solution to managing the exit of fans from BR and through the surrounding streets.
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Of course it is u til the east stand is redeveloped
Keep em in. Unlock the north stand gates instead of shifting home fans around onto Bloomfield rd to meet away fans. Pretty simple really
 
Why can’t they make away fans leave by the north entrance of the east… just make them walk down the front ?! If the gate between the north stand and back Henry street is locked there is no immediate opportunity for a meet up between fans. Place a few police down back Henry street to stop away fans heading up there and they have go to central drive therefore and generally a good dispersal is in place amd allow all who just wish to walk away to go home
 
Personally I bumped into a few QPR fans before and after the game and found them trouble free.

I can’t see why away fans can’t leave via the north east end with the gates at the north end and Henry street being cordoned off and policed. Our fans in blocks A & B of the north stand can leave via gates 3 & 4 (instead of leaving at 1 & 2) and our fans in the south and west can walk up BR without any hassle. Away supporters coaches can be escorted around by the Esso garage about 10 mins before final whistle so majority of away support can get away pronto. Others who travel by own transport can be encouraged to park up by Revoe area so have no excuse to venture anywhere near BR, while the others can disperse into town if they do wish via the A5099.
I’m not from the area but it’s just an observation I made as I usually park up by Revoe and find it convenient for games.
 
SLO_BFC said:
Of course it's a grey area. The position Lancashire police take (as I've shared before) is this, and I paraphrase: "Just for the sake of clarity 'holdbacks' haven’t been used for a number of years now, unless they’re spontaneous, can’t be pre-planned owing to ECHR Article 5 - Right To Liberty & Security. Pre-planned holdbacks could be seen as 'unlawful' detention so are avoided (generally)."

As I understand it, it's not the Club's decision to make (which is why it isn't in T&Cs). I believe it is a Police decision on a game-by-game basis, there to be invoked spontaneously by Match Command if it is felt the circumstances on the day merit it. I don't know if the Club will challenge that but right now we have to work on the assumption that it is not a regular or permanent solution to managing the exit of fans from BR and through the surrounding streets.
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So it is the fault of the EU with their silly rules, glad we are out
 
ForeverTangerine said:
Personally I bumped into a few QPR fans before and after the game and found them trouble free.

I can’t see why away fans can’t leave via the north east end with the gates at the north end and Henry street being cordoned off and policed. Our fans in blocks A & B of the north stand can leave via gates 3 & 4 (instead of leaving at 1 & 2) and our fans in the south and west can walk up BR without any hassle. Away supporters coaches can be escorted around by the Esso garage about 10 mins before final whistle so majority of away support can get away pronto. Others who travel by own transport can be encouraged to park up by Revoe area so have no excuse to venture anywhere near BR, while the others can disperse into town if they do wish via the A5099.
I’m not from the area but it’s just an observation I made as I usually park up by Revoe and find it convenient for games.
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It’s so simple as you say. Why they think they can’t police what are really modest football crowds so restrict how many seats we can sell and then police it the way they do beggars belief, almost like they want an incident to restrict crowds even further.

No idea how they would cope with 30000 crowds
 
Fact is, the Police are still geared up to sub 6000 gates that we used to have..... roll on Championship Football with 12k gates and larger away fans it’s all gone tits up! Some serious conversations need to had between the club and police before someone gets seriously hurt! It’s a ** shambles....
 
Tango1953 said:
The club should make it a condition of sale for away tickets at Bloomfield Rd that you will be detained for 15mins after the final whistle. That way everyone is clear and away fans can decide if they want to comply or not before buying a ticket.

It genuinely seems so simple to solve that it's mad we are here in November still discussing it.
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Tango1953 said:
The club should make it a condition of sale for away tickets at Bloomfield Rd that you will be detained for 15mins after the final whistle. That way everyone is clear and away fans can decide if they want to comply or not before buying a ticket.

It genuinely seems so simple to solve that it's mad we are here in November still discussing it.
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This is the one and only solution, already said they have already done this at old Trafford with Liverpool and city fans
Why make it so complicated
This way it’s safer for pool and away fans on Bloomfield rd
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I think most of us already knew the answer but just wanted the SLO/clubs take in it.

So that’s the simple and only answer then?

So why don’t the club adopt it?

Or does it have to go through the incompetent Lancashire Police force? and if it does why aren’t we doing it?

So many unanswered questions.
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Maybe Lancs Police quote it lazily, like people do with GDPR when they've no real idea.
 
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