Paying for a vaccine

In theory a mass produced vaccine should cost no more than £5 to £10. Generally that’s the cost of the yearly flu vaccine.
 
Nothing stick me to the back of the queue and give it for free to the elderly and those most in need.
Then when everyone has had it I'll nip along to Boots and pay what I normally do(under £15)for a combined flu jab.
 
Don't think I'd bother either.

Those that do want it can pay £x to go in a lottery with a draw to sort the pecking order. 👍
 
What will you all do when / if a new strain suddenly appears towards Xmas and you've spunked 300 quid on this one...despite your chances of dying being same as for flu. Genuine question btw
 
I’d never considered the idea of having to pay for it. I’d be disgusted if that was the case.
I fully understand a pecking order for it, though.
 
There won't be a charge because the Government recognises it is far cheaper to do that than have the economic and social disruption continue longer than necessary. The issue will be the dickheads that decide they don't want one or can't be bothered to do so, especially if there is a charge. It should be made compulsory, with a certificatte card issued so you can show you have had it and which you need to show for entry to certain premises or events
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Selfish people riding on the backs of the sane amongst us whilst putting many innocents at risk.
In Italy you cannot enrole your child in a school until all vaccinations have been completed - I'd be in favour of this sort of thing here.
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Selfish?

What, like immunity compromised people who would force others to have a partially tested vaccine against their will for their own benefit?

I don’t have the Flu Vaccine, because I don’t need it..I won’t have the C19 vaccine, because I don’t need that either...

The available vaccines don’t appear to offer sterilising immunity in any case. So it will likely just offer alleviation of worst symptoms.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Selfish?

What, like immunity compromised people who would force others to have a partially tested vaccine against their will for their own benefit?

I don’t have the Flu Vaccine, because I don’t need it..I won’t have the C19 vaccine, because I don’t need that either...

The available vaccines don’t appear to offer sterilising immunity in any case. So it will likely just offer alleviation of worst symptoms.
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When it becomes available the vaccine will have been fully tested, and that is why we are not being given one of the vaccines now (which do work, if reports are to be believed). Every government in the world would love to get out of this situation but they cannot give potentially unsafe vaccines and that is why we are waiting until the normal process is finished.
By refusing to do the right thing you will be potentially harming other people in the community and potentially adding to the strain on the NHS. It doesn't matter if you 'don't need it', it's actually about transmission of the virus to other vulnerable people potentially by you. Given that this virus kills and maims refusing the vaccine is selfish behaviour by any meaningful standard.
A family member was a health visitor and saw first hand the effect of the MMR fiasco. Babies blinded and disfigured because selfish people in the community believed a nutjob like Wakefield above overwhelming scientific evidence.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
When it becomes available the vaccine will have been fully tested, and that is why we are not being given one of the vaccines now (which do work, if reports are to be believed). Every government in the world would love to get out of this situation but they cannot give potentially unsafe vaccines and that is why we are waiting until the normal process is finished.
By refusing to do the right thing you will be potentially harming other people in the community and potentially adding to the strain on the NHS. It doesn't matter if you 'don't need it', it's actually about transmission of the virus to other vulnerable people potentially by you. Given that this virus kills and maims refusing the vaccine is selfish behaviour by any meaningful standard.
A family member was a health visitor and saw first hand the effect of the MMR fiasco. Babies blinded and disfigured because selfish people in the community believed a nutjob like Wakefield above overwhelming scientific evidence.
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It won’t have been fully tested at all. Some issues take years to identify and so the vaccine can only be considered safe within the limitations of the testing regime.... It is clearly being rushed through and therefore compromises are being made.

By exercising my right to choose what I put in my own body I will be engaging in the same choice that millions of unhealthy eaters, boozers, vegans, smokers, drug takers, sports people etc...make every day.

As I said, the vaccines are unlikely to impact onward transmission or prevent infection...They will benefit by reducing the effect of the virus and so me not taking a vaccine has no impact on your health or other vaccine users.... Of course that would be the same regardless... if A vaccine really works, why would it matter whether people choose not to be vaccinated? I mean how could that have a negative effect on those who do, unless the vaccine doesn’t really work?

This is nothing to do with MMR, it’s about a rushed vaccine for a virus that is largely harmless.
 
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X3`s attitude to a safe Covid19 vaccine is irrational, illogical and irresponsible not only for himself but more importantly for all those around him and the community at large too.
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
"This is nothing to do with MMR, it’s about a rushed vaccine for a virus that is largely harmless."
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Unless the comment immediately above is a wind up it is ludicrous beyond belief.I find it hard to believe that anyone with even an iota of intelligence could make such a ridiculous statement.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
X3`s attitude to a safe Covid19 vaccine is irrational, illogical and irresponsible not only for himself but more importantly for all those around him and the community at large too.

Unless the comment immediately above is a wind up it is ludicrous beyond belief.I find it hard to believe that anyone with even an iota of intelligence could make such a ridiculous statement.
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Please explain why my attitude is “irrational, illogical and irresponsible?

Why is it rational / logical, for example, to vaccinate 7 billion people with a partially tested vaccine (for which the manufacturers accept no injurious responsibility) when the virus is only deadly to a small section of immuno-compromised individuals?

Why is it rational / logical that my choice to not have a vaccine affects you, if the vaccine works?

Why is the comment

‘This is nothing to do with MMR, it’s about a rushed vaccine for a virus that is largely harmless.’

“Ludicrous beyond belief” ?

Firstly... It is nothing to do with MMR, which is a different issue altogether ... So that statement is a simple fact.

Secondly, the vaccine is being rushed (testing of vaccines can take decades).

Thirdly, this virus only causes serious harm in a tiny fraction of the population, the vast majority of whom are very seriously ill in the first place.
 
I won't be having it. My not having it makes no difference to those of you that do as vaccines don't stop transmission so I don't understand why you are all so het up about it. At the end of the day I have a right to decide what is put in my body bearing in mind it doesn't affect the rest of you
 
When I was a child polio was a horrible disease but then the Salk vaccine, which we all had when it became available, virtually eradicated that disease much to the relief of all.

I believe that unlike the premature claims that Putin is making for the Russian vaccine ,other vaccines including those in this country will be thoroughly tested before being made available to the general population just as required by the WHO in which case like the polio and other vaccines(MMR,smallpox etc.)it will be of massive benefit to the world`s population.

As for your comments about death rates they are so obviously ridiculous, inaccurate and irresponsible for the hundreds of thousands who have already died, many with health issues but many with none at all and anyway every life is precious.

The sooner we can find a vaccine that can protect the world from this horrible virus and enable the world to work and socialise safely again the happier the whole world will be and those that don`t accept that and refuse to be vaccinated with a tried and tested vaccine are doing a grave disservice to us all and that attitude cannot be tolerated .
 
What I see here is people thrashing around... Calling people names, linking childish memes, but very little (if any) rational argument to support their own or challenge the perspective of others.

I’m guessing a decent proportion of these mask wearing vaccine suckers, have oversized bellies and struggle to get up and down the stairs at home, yet they seek to dictate what choices fit and healthy individuals should make.

A lifetime of burgers and booze cannot be vaccinated away chaps.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
When I was a child polio was a horrible disease but then the Salk vaccine, which we all had when it became available, virtually eradicated that disease much to the relief of all.

I believe that unlike the premature claims that Putin is making for the Russian vaccine ,other vaccines including those in this country will be thoroughly tested before being made available to the general population just as required by the WHO in which case like the polio and other vaccines(MMR,smallpox etc.)it will be of massive benefit to the world`s population.

As for your comments about death rates they are so obviously ridiculous, inaccurate and irresponsible for the hundreds of thousands who have already died, many with health issues but far too many with none and anyway every life is precious.

The sooner we can find a vaccine that can protect the world from this horrible virus and enable the world to work and socialise safely the happier the whole world will be and those that don`t accept that and refuse to be vaccinated with a tried and tested vaccine are doing a grave disservice to us all.
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This isn’t about Polio and I have had the Polio vaccine.

As I said, the COVID vaccine cannot have been thoroughly tested, because the long term impacts of the vaccine will be unknown.

My comments about the death rates are entirely accurate and based upon the latest scientific information. I have no issue with people who consider themselves to be high risk taking a vaccine to ‘protect themselves’. That seems like a sensible choice to me. My concern is for myself and as a generally healthy person under the age of 50, I see no need to take the risk of a partially tested vaccine.

Why are people who choose not to take a partially tested vaccine doing a grave disservice to anyone?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why are people who choose not to take a partially tested vaccine doing a grave disservice to anyone?
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Do I really need to point out to you that anyone who has contracted this virus can be lethal not only to themselves but by transmision to many innocent bystanders as well, so vaccines that show good evidence of effectiveness are surely a better option to pursue than the alternative of doing nothing to reduce the spread.

There are some in this country who rightly or wrongly are at an age where they feel little threatened by this virus and seem to irresponsibly and selfishly care little if they happen to contract it and pass it on to those who are far more vulnerable.Perhaps you are one of those.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Do I really need to point out to you that anyone who has contracted this virus can be lethal not only to themselves but by transmision to many innocent bystanders as well, so vaccines that show good evidence of effectiveness are surely a better option to pursue than the alternative of doing nothing to reduce the spread.

There are some in this country who rightly or wrongly are at an age where they feel little threatened by this virus and seem to irresponsibly and selfishly care little if they happen to contract it and pass it on to those who are far more vulnerable.Perhaps you are one of those.
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Do you really need to justify your ignorant and inaccurate comments?

Yes of course you do!!


Please explain how my choice to not be vaccinated for CV19 places people at risk if those people have chosen to be vaccinated.

Please explain how my choice to accept the small percentage risk of lethality posed by COVID 19 is any different to a whole array of risks I face each day?

As far as the current situation is concerned, I take my social responsibilities seriously and rarely interact with other people. I social distance and have no issue with continuing to do so.

Vaccination is a completely different issue and the argument that other people’s health is affected by my choice in that regard is a complete red herring.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Do you really need to justify your ignorant and inaccurate comments?

Yes of course you do!!


Please explain how my choice to not be vaccinated for CV19 places people at risk if those people have chosen to be vaccinated.

*Because if you are infected not everyone else will be vaccinated especially initially and therefore you are more likely to spread it to others.

Please explain how my choice to accept the small percentage risk of lethality posed by COVID 19 is any different to a whole array of risks I face each day?

*It is simply about avoiding to take silly unnecessary risks of this sort or any where there is absolutely no reciprocal benefit in taking such risks.

As far as the current situation is concerned, I take my social responsibilities seriously and rarely interact with other people. I social distance and have no issue with continuing to do so.

*That is obviously a responsible and acceptable approach to take.

Vaccination is a completely different issue and the argument that other people’s health is affected by my choice in that regard is a complete red herring.

*No it clearly isn`t. People who are vaccinated will not only protect themselves but will not spread the disease to other innocent contacts.
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So bifster.....serious debate

You become infected...but being a six foot, strapping hunk of the male species....you don't become sick.
But....Lets say, you have the infection....you are infectious.....you now have to screen everyone you come in contact with....
Especially (how did you phrase it).... "Mask wearing vaccine suckers, (who) have oversized bellies and struggle to get up and down the stairs at home
Because you can kill them.....by giving them C-19.....where ever you go, you carry this infection that would kill people.
You cant social distance for life......but we may have to now because of your refusal to.

All the other fine specimens of healthy humanity do the same.....but the vaccine means we break down the social distancing etc.....
They now become carriers of this infection.....slowly, you keep the infection alive, passing it backwards and forwards between the master race.
Lets say, 6 months down the line the Covid genome suddenly becomes mutated (which is common in this type of infection)
Only slightly....but suddenly the infection rate increases......lets say it now targets bald people and they are now seriously at risk....or it's women of a certain age....say any over 40

Now you are seeing people you care about become sick and actually die........But none of your master race are taking the vaccine.....they don't give a s##t if you or maybe a friend or (god forbid) your family die......
 
If all the weaklings are vaccinated - how can BFC x3 pass it on to them?

Reality is people have a right to do within the law what they want.

I personally will take it, but I respect anyone’s choice not to.

Then again, I will not feel sorry for anyone who refuses who gets it and gets seriously ill or dies - it was their choice.

That said, the vaccine could do anything to us long term - we just don’t know!

You makes your choice and you takes your chance!!!

Welcome to life’s sh1t lottery!!!!
 
Based on BFCx3’s warped logic I shouldn’t have contracted the virus, based on the fact that I’m 6’4” not overweight and generally fit.

It got me though and nearly wiped me out.

I like the idea of branding the forehead of the deniers, perhaps with a tattoo of a penis.
 
seasideone said:
If all the weaklings are vaccinated - how can BFC x3 pass it on to them?

Reality is people have a right to do within the law what they want.

I personally will take it, but I respect anyone’s choice not to.

Then again, I will not feel sorry for anyone who refuses who gets it and gets seriously ill or dies - it was their choice.

That said, the vaccine could do anything to us long term - we just don’t know!

You makes your choice and you takes your chance!!!

Welcome to life’s sh1t lottery!!!!
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The problem with that attitude is that it leads to more innocent victims.
The MMR vaccine scenario is very similar, many antivaxxers refusing to get their children vaccinated. Measles, Mumps and Rubella become present again in our communities as herd immunity breaks down. These diseases then get passed on to children who are too young to be vaccinated - some of them become blind or have other life changing conditions as a result. The same sort of thing applies to COVID except that it kills in a significant proportion of cases.

I am generally a liberal but I also believe that we do owe some responsibility to others.

The other thing about BFC's posts that makes me laugh is that somehow he knows that he is immune from serious COVID infection (he can't know this) and that we are all old, fat, vulnerable and / or unfit (he cannot know this either). I get the impression from his posts that he thinks that if he says something often enough it becomes true.
 
Lost Seasider said:
  • Vaccines are not 100% effective and work best when they generate a herd immunity.
  • There may be people who for whatever reason are not able to be vaccinated.
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So not only is the vaccine not fully tested, it’s also not actually 100% effective anyway.

So I’m obliged to accept an ineffective, untested vaccine into my own body in order to alleviate a tiny risk of death to me and a slightly greater risk to some extremely unhealthy people?

On that basis, I think I’ll continue to pass, if that’s OK with the fascists?
 
I believe you have the right to say no, but I feel it is a bit selfish and maybe irresponsible to others.

It’s a bit like the ‘me me me’ generation - it’s all about them and nobody else.

Not saying I am right - it’s just my opinion 👍
 
Interesting thread.

Biff : whether you take it or not is your business, ultimately.

However, having read your posts, it seems to be that you have a natural aversion to the concept of vaccination, and are trying to rationalise it - and failing quite badly. Your posts on this thread contain one assertion after another that you can't back up and one generalisation after another that clearly can't be proved.

What I don't see anywhere in your assertion of your rights is a consideration of your public health responsibilities. Do you feel you have any, in the current situation ? The fact that you talk about social distancing suggests you do, but I am very unclear on where you think the line is between what you should and shouldn't do for the benefit of others.
 
seasideone said:
I believe you have the right to say no, but I feel it is a bit selfish and maybe irresponsible to others.

It’s a bit like the ‘me me me’ generation - it’s all about them and nobody else.

Not saying I am right - it’s just my opinion 👍
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It seems to me that selfishness / self-interest is driving both sides of the debate.

There are all sorts of ethical issues that habe been brushed over during this situation.

Is it ethical for my right of sovereignty over my body is called into question, that I am called selfish in order that the selfish rights of others is imposed as morally superior?

is it ethical to deny children and the young access to natural immunity through isolation, when the risks to them are minuscule?

Is it ethical for the Baby Boomer generation, who have had life handed to them on a platter by the previous generation, benefitted most from economic growth, polluted the entire planet, to impose a lifetime of poverty on the younger generation just so they can eek out a few more years of luxury?
 
basilrobbie said:
Interesting thread.

Biff : whether you take it or not is your business, ultimately.

However, having read your posts, it seems to be that you have a natural aversion to the concept of vaccination, and are trying to rationalise it - and failing quite badly. Your posts on this thread contain one assertion after another that you can't back up and one generalisation after another that clearly can't be proved.

What I don't see anywhere in your assertion of your rights is a consideration of your public health responsibilities. Do you feel you have any, in the current situation ? The fact that you talk about social distancing suggests you do, but I am very unclear on where you think the line is between what you should and shouldn't do for the benefit of others.
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I have no problem with vaccination per se Robbie... my kids are all fully vaccinated for the important stuff as am I.

I’m not sure what the assertions are that I can’t back up, but everything I have said in regard to the COVID Vaccine is factual. In fact I’ve mostly asked questions of others in any case, so perhaps you might back up your assertion??

As far as my public health responsibilities are concerned, I see no evidence at all that my being vaccinated would make any difference to the effectiveness of a vaccine that does not deliver full immunity. So to that extent (at least based upon the vaccines available so far) there is no wider issue for consideration.

If a vaccine was made available that delivered full population immunity and / or after a vaccine has been in wide use for a much longer term with no ill effects, then I might revise my opinion.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I have no problem with vaccination per se Robbie... my kids are all fully vaccinated for the important stuff as am I.

I’m not sure what the assertions are that I can’t back up, but everything I have said in regard to the COVID Vaccine is factual. In fact I’ve mostly asked questions of others in any case, so perhaps you might back up your assertion??

As far as my public health responsibilities are concerned, I see no evidence at all that my being vaccinated would make any difference to the effectiveness of a vaccine that does not deliver full immunity. So to that extent (at least based upon the vaccines available so far) there is no wider issue for consideration.

If a vaccine was made available that delivered full population immunity and / or after a vaccine has been in wide use for a much longer term with no ill effects, then I might revise my opinion.
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"I’m guessing a decent proportion of these mask wearing vaccine suckers, have oversized bellies and struggle to get up and down the stairs at home, yet they seek to dictate what choices fit and healthy individuals should make.

A lifetime of burgers and booze cannot be vaccinated away chaps."

They seem like assertions to me. They might be reasonable, but I think you would have a job proving them. Or arguing that you aren't generalising. 😀

I understand your misgivings about hastily produced vaccines. But I think you've chosen some specious arguments. Especially about my oversized belly. 😀
 
basilrobbie said:
"I’m guessing a decent proportion of these mask wearing vaccine suckers, have oversized bellies and struggle to get up and down the stairs at home, yet they seek to dictate what choices fit and healthy individuals should make.

A lifetime of burgers and booze cannot be vaccinated away chaps."

They seem like assertions to me. They might be reasonable, but I think you would have a job proving them. Or arguing that you aren't generalising. 😀

I understand your misgivings about hastily produced vaccines. But I think you've chosen some specious arguments. Especially about my oversized belly. 😀
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It’s a bit unfortunate that you pick on a fairly obvious bit of flippancy on my part, rather than the numerous other comments you could have challenged?

That said, there’s a serious point I’m making here Robbie, which is that there are individuals on this thread calling out my stance and I very much doubt their own lifestyle choices would stand up to comparative scrutiny if put under the microscope...

I don’t think my reservations are unreasonable, especially when weighed up against the risk the virus poses to me at this time and the impact my decision has on others. My position on this is not cast in stone if further information emerges.

As for the belly situation, I suspect you’re in good company on here, given the widespread concern on this thread . Perhaps the compulsory implementation of gastric band treatments ( under the threat of imprisonment) for the AVFTT roly poly’s might focus you all on your Public Health responsibilities......😇
 
I assume that this is another one of BFC's 'factual' posts, so let's examine it;


BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That said, there’s a serious point I’m making here Robbie, which is that there are individuals on this thread calling out my stance and I very much doubt their own lifestyle choices would stand up to comparative scrutiny if put under the microscope...
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Assumption not fact, holier than thou, not only am I fitter and thinner but I am a better citizen than others who psot on here.


BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t think my reservations are unreasonable, especially when weighed up against the risk the virus poses to me at this time and the impact my decision has on others. My position on this is not cast in stone if further information emerges.
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More assumptions, firstly you cannot possibly know what effect the virus would have on you if you became infected. And in this scenario you cannot possibly know who you would infect and what knock on problems you would cause other individuals, the health service and society at large.


BFC_BFC_BFC said:
As for the belly situation, I suspect you’re in good company on here, given the widespread concern on this thread . Perhaps the compulsory implementation of gastric band treatments ( under the threat of imprisonment) for the AVFTT roly poly’s might focus you all on your Public Health responsibilities......😇
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More assumptions here about other posters, you don't know the waist measurements of anyone else posting on this thread. But to address the point, being fat only impacts on an individuals health and you cannot catch being fat so it is a meaningless comparison.

I don't think that there is a single fact in that post.
 
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